[VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tuning?

2006-10-17 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
The simple answer, because it looks like that. 200 years earlier they would have made a proper conversion, i.e. with a canted top! Have you studied how the strings of early citterns were fixed? Very much like this, as I understand it. I was not thinking of conversions. And a canted top is not

[VIHUELA] Why re-entrant tunings

2006-10-17 Thread Monica Hall
Having got as far as the chapter on the theorbo in Linda's dissertation it seems worth quoting some of the things which she says - on p.51-2 - i.e. It is very difficult to string a single peg box lute in gut so that all the strings sound well over its wide range. The larger the lute, the

[VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tunings

2006-10-17 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
Hola Monica! I was rather surprised to read the following when going through the correspondence on Lutenet! I said that: For the guitar I see an entirely different cause: like the ukelele the instrument needed to be heard in the open air (imagine Spain or the New World). By having as

[VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tunings

2006-10-17 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
Players who think that somehow guitar music can and must conform to a very narrow interpretation of the rules of music theory are following the wrong star altogether! As do scholars who think that the rules of music would not apply to the guitar To get on or off this list see list

[VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tuning?

2006-10-17 Thread Alexander Batov
Have you studied how the strings of early citterns were fixed? Very much like this, as I understand it. I was not thinking of conversions. And a canted top is not needed to play on wire. I know they did that in the 18th c. And they shortened the necks of existing instruments. All to reach a

[VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tunings

2006-10-17 Thread Monica Hall
I think especially for open air performance the plain gut basses of the five course guitar are not very useful. The 'musica ruidosa' that Sanz speaks of could refer to another (indoor?) situation. 'el que quiere taner guitarra para hazer musica ruidosa, o accompagnarse el baxo con alguno

[VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tuning?

2006-10-17 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
For example, a seven-string (four-course) guitar-like shaped instrument is depicted on a pilaster of the Duomo of Cremona c.1560 (actually quite nicely 'wrapped up' in an open book - of music, I presume ...). According to Meucci that would not be a chitarra Italiana, since that instrument

[VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tunings

2006-10-17 Thread Monica Hall
Players who think that somehow guitar music can and must conform to a very narrow interpretation of the rules of music theory are following the wrong star altogether! As do scholars who think that the rules of music would not apply to the guitar The emphasis is on narrow

[VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tunings

2006-10-17 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
To defend my fellow players: We have a problem that researchers don't have. We sometimes are forced to make decisions to be able to perform the music. And on top of that we have to find ways to understand the music (and preferably appreciate it as well), otherwise a good performance cannot be the

[VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tuning?

2006-10-17 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Martyn Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:00:21 +0100 (BST) From: Martyn Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tuning? To: Alexander Batov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Alexander, I am genuinely open minded about all this and remain to be

[VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tunings

2006-10-17 Thread Monica Hall
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tunings Apart from this specific case: who is to decide whether arguments are pseudo-academic. To take everything on the paper for granted is not necessarily 'more scientific'. The very unusual (maybe even unique) harmonic language of Corbetta is in

[VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tuning?

2006-10-17 Thread Alexander Batov
- Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cittern NET cittern@cs.dartmouth.edu; Early Guitar NET early-guitar@cs.dartmouth.edu; Vihuela Net vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:48 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Why re-entrant tuning? Dear Martyn,