It's probably the type of guitar Boccherini heard when he was in Spain,
Probably. Double strung guitars were popular in Spain well into the mid
19th century. Still in his Nuevo Método of 1843, Dionisio Aguado continues
his campaign against double stringing, which means the practice was still
and probably the guitar his quintets were played on.
That is less probable. As far as I know, there is no record that these
quintets were ever performed in Spain, or anywhere else for that matter,
until about 1926 when they were performed in Germany by Heinrich Albert and
friends.
Vihuela is too soft to be used in ensembles.
To my knowledge Thomas, there is not any ensemble music specifically for
vihuela other instruments. There are many modern recordings, but I think
they are all arrangements. They may have used vihuela solos or songs as
something from which to
In fact, the Portuguese have it right linguistically:
Cittern=Guitarra
Guitar=Violao.
RT
http://polyhymnion.org
What about the portugese word for guitar? Violao
=
If the instrument Guitar would have been closely related (is it the
term?)
to the vihuela one would expect
The situation here may not be that dissimilar from what was going on for
centuries in the naming of traditional instruments of the Middle East and
Far East regions of the world. The same name can apply to very similar
instruments separated by thousands of miles, as well as being applied to
thank you both.
would re-entrant tuning of any sort (ukulele's gcea,
for example) qualify as campenella sound?
- bill
No. Campanellas are not derived from tuning, but rather from usage.
Reentrant tunings facilitate them.
RT
--
http://polyhymnion.org/torban
I just received an e-mail from info@ sociedaddelavihuela.com containing a
24k attachment. Interestingly enough, this is exactly the same size as all the
spam I get lately. You have or will probably get one also. I don't know
nothing, but I suspect that this e-mail is highly deleatable.
Craig
the consensus in our group is that medieval dance
music, of the type played in the street, should be
played at breakneck speed with heavy emphasis on drums
and crash-bangy, tinky-tink type instruments. it's
getting to the point where all our songs sound the
same - finishing in a frenzy.
I havent looked at Kremberg in some years (NYPL has one, a gorgeous looking
book), but as I recall the material there is all obbligato and NOT continuo
realizations, and basically the same music transcribed for different axes.
So there is no reason to infer any intended togetherness.
RT
Let's call it [CHARANGO] :)...
I vote to keep it [VIHUELA].
Seconded.
RT
There are plenty of other lists for
Guitar, where Sor and Giuliani are more on topic.
So far I feel the list is doing great and usually can't wait to get home
from work to play through all the examples...
Anyone else want to start an early romantic guitar list? I am
afraid that my system is not set up to let another person
work in a list. It is not manager-friendly.
Wayne
The easiest thing is to start a new romantic guitar community on
http://livejournal.com
RT
When Wayne informed me of the interest in expanding the topic to include
19th-century guitar, I said 'OK, but why not call it
earlyguitar?'. But now
I can see that he is worried about an influx of members and flame wars.
There is certainly the possibility of that. So far the vihuela and
There is certainly the possibility of that. So far the vihuela and baroque
guitar community have got along fine, except for the stupid
attack by RT on
Matanya, which led to Matanya leaving the list to the general
loss. I can't
recall another contribution by RT since that time other than
... one difference between it and baroque guitars
certainly is
their locations along the continuum of
time. The baroque era ended 250 years ago. From
The baroque era ended with the deaths of Albrechtsberger in Vienna, and
Bortnyansky in St.Petersburg, i.e. only ca. 200 years ago.
RT
i'm not a scientist ( case you hadn't guessed ... )
but i vaguely remember a scientific maxim to the
effect that if a thing looks, feels, acts, sounds,
smells, etc. ...
Like roadkill.
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one more thought then off to bed:
why was it, do you suppose, that the early
vihuela/guitar was the only european instrument to
undergo such profound changes in the new world?
Because it was inexpensive enough for peones (A LOT cheaper than a violin),
and thus a lot more widespread into
I'm always uneasy engaging Bill on this subject, suspicious that it's
all a joke and I'm making a fool of myself by treating it as if he's
Well, maybe interesting and maybe original, but good fantasy *should*
be interesting and original. That doesn't entitle it to be discussed
seriously as
The best ones are by Cezar Mateus, in Princeton.
http://polyhymnion.org/mateus
RT
Hi
Anyone know of luthiers who build vihuelas? I'm
starting to look around for one - any suggestions??
SS
Salvatore Salvaggio
http://www.Salvaggio.50megs.com
I'd be torn between Batov and Mateus, but the exchange is unfavorable for
buying overseas here.
RT
Two great luthiers: Alexander Batov and Dan Larson.
http://www.vihuelademano.com/ and http://www.daniellarson.com/.
I wrote about a trip to Batov's workshop here:
in a thread on the google classical guitar site -
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.classical.guitar
- concerning the use of picks on classical guitars,
someone mentioned style brisé.
i believe this is defined as broken style - playing
individual notes of a chord using tremolo.
brisé.
Style brisé is style of music, rather than a style of playing.
RT
sounds more medieval than baroque to me.
- bill
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in a thread on the google classical guitar site -
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.classical.guitar
Some Hungarian lutenist went as far as building an outer shell so his axe
wouldn't touch his body. I wouldn't conclude that this was a useful idea.
RT
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Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005
Amother self-serving platitude from MO, a positivist meretrix who has no
imagination.
Usually timelines of written wusic are A LOT shorter than timelines of each
particular instruments' histories.
RT
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From: bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vihuela list
and don't necessarily have anything at all to do with willful efforts to
perpetuate an ugly, elitist Eurocentric bias.
Are you trying to say that american farmed catfish is philosophically equal
to mediterranean red mullet??
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Very interesting, Phiippe. Can you say more about why you think Valencia
is
the birthplace of the vihuela?
Rob
I don't have the exact quote handy, but the first record of any
vihuela/viola in Italy unequivocally said brought over here by the Catalan
musicians of Borgia as I recall.
Bill,
1.As an artist you must know the if it ain't melancholy: it ain't art
principle. It still stands.
2. The vihuela composers were contemplaiting a possibility in which someone
in the future might call their instrument a type of charango.
RT
don't know about you but i find the majority of
http://www.sociedaddelavihuela.com/noticias/cartelprimerencuentro.php
RT
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From: Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Cc: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:35 AM
Subject:
Michael Craddock's renaissance guitar CD,Tabulatures de Guiterne is
finally out-
http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/7010727/a/Tabulatures+de+Guiterne+%2F+Michael+Craddock.htm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9o__q4bLzYsearch=lute
Looks like an extremely young Mauricio Buraglia.
RT
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From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 7:36 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] hmm
I offer this without comment:
Fresco is water based, so there were no fumes.
RT
vihuela's/viola's back, but the profile of the soundboard strikes me as
rather
Chambure-like. Other than gross morphology, I wouldn't put too much
stock
in the painter's understanding of the practical functioning of musical
instruments.
Did you know that any poem by Emily Dickinson can be sung to the tune of the
Yellow Rose of Texas?
RT
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From: bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 11:12 AM
Subject: [VIHUELA] modern troubadour
i set a poem by
Roman Turovsky wrote:
The point is that there is an article by someone called Meucci which
Apparently a sizeable musicologist.
not many people have seen. He examines in detail the etymology of the
Italian term Chitarra. This is really a generic term for any plucked
stringed instrument
Le cantó el payador mazorquero
con un dulce gemir de vihuelas
en la reja que olía a jazmines,
en el patio que olía a diamelas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh4CfMutfwEfeature=related
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And what do we get instead? Garcia-Marquez, Otero-Silva, Borjes, Bolaño.
Must have been a real Faustian deal, with some string instruments, on the
house.
RT
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Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 11:24
From: E. Agulló [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Are you familiar with this CD ?
http://www.fretsonly.com/xcart/CZECH-GUITAR-MUSIC-c1700-pr-7165.html
Eduard V. Agulló
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http://torban.org/ruthenicae/images/218a.pdf
http://torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/218a.mp3
http://torban.org/ruthenicae/images/219.pdf
http://torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/219.mp3
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Nearly not as much light as Nigel.
RT
From: Nelson, Jocelyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi David,
Have you asked Hoppy about this? I bet he can shed some good light on
this.
Best,
Jocelyn
__
From: David van Ooijen
Rob,
did you notice that the final piece in the GGregory Ms is very closely
related to
http://www.torban.org/sounds/poljubyla.mp3
http://www.torban.org/images/poljubyla.pdf ?
RT
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From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Vihuela vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent:
It is a late 18th century Ukrainian popular song-tune, much (ab)used in
vaudeville from 1800 on, with cheesy texts. It occasionally appears in
7-string collections.
RT
From: Rob MacKillop [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So it is! Where did you find the tune?
Rob
2008/12/7 Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED
No mention of a march in the source. Just MARUSJA, i.e the girl who fell for
Petrus'.
RT
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Cc: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:41 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Preludes
://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVDl689v6iE
Trond
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Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 7:37 AM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Preludes, Cadences and Composition for Guitar
Roman Turovsky wrote
networking.
RT
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To: Mjos Larson rockype...@earthlink.net
Cc: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk; Rob MacKillop
luteplay...@googlemail.com; Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 11:24 AM
It is obbligato, NOT a continuo book.
RT
There is not a lot of direct evidence - but Jacob Kremberg's collection of
sacred songs - Musicalishe-Gemuths-Ergotzung does include the guitar as a
possible instrument to accompany them.
This was printed in Dresden in 1689.
Monica
- Original
Oleg is in Kiev, Ukraine on the Fullbright, and he has no internet yet. So
he won't be able to offer any insight for now.
RT
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From: Eugene C. Braig IV brai...@osu.edu
To: 'Stuart Walsh' s.wa...@ntlworld.com
Cc: 'Vihuelalist' vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday,
There is just one further aspect which I haven't explored. Two
books, one by Abatessa and one by Michaeli include instructions for
tuning the 5-course guitar to the arpetta. It is not clear what
this is except that it apparently has 8 strings. Abatessa seems to
imply that it is another
Thanks!
These are really intended to be expanded in performance, I think.
I have arranged both tunes before, the 1st for renaissance lute, the 2nd for
baroque, the latter with variations.
RT
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Without variations actually
http://www.torban.org/pisni/images/odnagora.pdf
RT
These are really intended to be expanded in performance, I think.
I have arranged both tunes before, the 1st for renaissance lute, the 2nd
for baroque, the latter with variations.
RT
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http://www.torban.org/sarmaticae/images/sarmatica86.pdf
http://www.torban.org/sarmaticae/audio/CS86a.mp3 with Rob MacKillop on a
vihuela.
From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com
2) There stays a sycamore tree over the water
European Maple rather. Sycamore is an Asia Minor variety.
RT
and One
/skovoroda.html).
RT
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To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu; Stuart Walsh
s.wa...@ntlworld.com
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:34 AM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: some 19th century seven-string guitar pieces
http://www.torban.org
(without getting excessively
botanical :)) would be fine for this song title. I personally prefer
Sycamore.
AB
On 18/04/2010 16:34, Roman Turovsky wrote:
2) There stays a sycamore tree over the water
European Maple rather. Sycamore is an Asia Minor variety.
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All arrangers took liberties, and all the versions differ, more than
slightly.
The 18th century ethnomusicological sources are 2: Prach and Trutovsky.
RT
Roman Turovsky wrote:
http://www.torban.org/sarmaticae/images/sarmatica86.pdf
http://www.torban.org/sarmaticae/audio/CS86a.mp3 with Rob
The other Morkov tune differs in its standard version -
http://proridne.com/pisni/%D0%9E%D0%94%D0%9D%D0%90%20%D0%93%D0%9E%D0%A0%D0%90%20%D0%92%D0%98%D0%A1%D0%9E%D0%9A%D0%90%D0%AF.html
RT
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From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net
To: Vihuelalist vihuela
GHORA tune:
http://www.torban.org/images/odna/odna-ghora.pdf
http://www.torban.org/images/odna/odna-ghora.mp3
RT
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Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12
-ghora.pdf
http://www.torban.org/images/odna/odna-ghora.mp3
on the Rooshian Geetar,
and it worked exceedingly well!
I will send a standard notation score to any interested 7string player.
RT
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To: 'Roman Turovsky' r.turov...@verizon.net
/images/282.pdf
http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/281L.mp3
http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/281.pdf
http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/280L.mp3
http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/280a.pdf
RT
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From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net
To: Vihuelalist
That is not true. Renaissance bass patterns certainly predate 17th century.
RT
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From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
To: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl
Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:13 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA]
My understanding was that inversions were against the rules until the Middle
Baroque.
RT
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lu...@tiscali.co.uk
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 9:21 AM
Subject:
Entrada do Mrqs.Pombal by Paulo Galvão
is finally on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOtqXai7HXE
!!!
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Marco also performs Paulo's CANARIO -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqNFtSvgitk
!!!
Paulo's music is always available here -
http://www.polyhymnion.org/adc/music-download.htm
RT
==
Entrada do Mrqs.Pombal by Paulo Galvão
is finally on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOtqXai7HXE
!!!
Well, on one hand there is a hierarchy of models to be emulated. And
Bartlotti is a bit uneven.
On the other hand Paulo had Iberian keyboard music in the back of his mind,
certainly not JSB.
RT
From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
Paulo's music seemed to me as if it was written for an
Paulo's is a bit too chromatic for that, I think.
RT
From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com
On 21/01/2011 22:32, Roman Turovsky wrote:
Well, on one hand there is a hierarchy of models to be emulated. And
Bartlotti is a bit uneven.
On the other hand Paulo had Iberian keyboard music in the back
5 course/string guitars survived into the 19th century in Ukraine:
http://polyhymnion.org/images/bandurka.jpg !
RT
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From: Alexander Batov alexander.ba...@vihuelademano.com
Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:59 PM
I was under impression is that ALL preclassical music is essentially
2-voice, and the bass line is implied even in unaccompanied melodies.
And the composing was done from bass up, not the other way around.
RT
From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl
I don't think there is very much polyphony
That's true, but -
Composition studies include COUNTERPOINT, but not polyphony,
and the former is meant as an all-encompassing term that includes
the latter as a subcategory.
RT
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From: Stewart McCoy lu...@tiscali.co.uk
To: Vihuela List vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
The terms are quite interchangeable in other languages, and according to
Wikipedia
polyphony tends to desribe PRE-BAROQUE music, and counterpoint tends to
describe POST-RENAISSANCE one.
Which would make Bartolotti firmly contrapunctal, wouldnit?
RT
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From: Monica
Ru-Wiki says that polyphony commonly refers the musical-theoretical
discipline concerning polyphonic composition. the earlier term for which was
COUNTERPOINT.
RT
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WHich doesn't make him any less polyphonic.
A baroque guitar is just not a choir.
RT
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Lots of new material for vihuelistas' perusal and delectation
at http://www.torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/ ,
videos as well.
Enjoy,
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Only the European Court at he Hague knows the principal issue here, and it
issued a gag order apropos.
RT
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I knew I shouldn't have held my breath
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One other small point - I said
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the audio archive is now available -
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Renato Meucci.
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Ancient Greek lute, ancestor of Balkan tamburas.
RT
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Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 1:37 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Agazzari guitar [was Re:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandura
RT
From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk
A pandora is a lute shaped wire-strung instrument. It is one of the
instruments which forms part of the broken consort for which Morley et al
composed music.
Monica
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From: Lex
I couldn't help imagining this tirade in a PDWodehouse kind of accent,
and had a chuckle.
As to the Portuguese origin of dV - I heard it as fact from Pat O'Brian
20 years ago.
Cheers,
RT
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I was gob-smacked when I read it. Does Satoh really
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