On 12-nov-04, at 16:01, Thomas Burns wrote:
Does anyone know anything about the LaserWriter IIf?
I've got it hooked up to a PC running windows 2k. I'm getting several
problems with it. I havent been able to print from it yet.
1. I'm occasionally getting all 4 lights blinking. I dont think
On 4-nov-04, at 14:24, Ian Nixon wrote:
Hi,
I did find out which OS it was - it was Finder 6.1.7, and System
6.0.7. The other disks did install 7.0, so I don't think I have to
worry for now...
Ian
Worry? About 6.07? 7.0 will give you far more to worry about, It is
better to upgrade to 7.1 or
On 30-apr-04, at 21:35, Mark Benson wrote:
On Apr 30, 2004, at 07:11 pm, Darren wrote:
Mark Benson wrote:
Just to inform you i have relieved Marten van de Kraats as the list
nanny. Any queries/reports/suggestions/complaints etc. should be
directed to me in future
Remember folks, a friendly list
I'm holding my breath waiting for a nanny to step in and squash this
thread
It seems to me that the price of shipping a collectable vintage mac
is pretty much on topic. I myself always aim at buying the larger
stuff in towns close by so I can pick it up myself. But is some time
ago that I
Full circle. And again, nannies, I apologize.
Maybe this thread is getting a bit boring indeed. I think everything
is said now. You managed to fill some digests anyway.
Marten
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This maybe olde news for you. But for me it was/is
new news. Therefore not knowing it was old news I
shared. And from what I seem to be hear MAC doesn't
have a real functional browser out there.
For vintage macs netscape 4.7.x and icab are pretty functional, but
not really. In general older
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Yes I'm watching.
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I have them:
- Apple Square mouse = $5
- Apple Tear drop mouse=$7
- Apple Keyboard=$7
You pay shipping from CA 95829.
Thanks,
Terry
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:05:53 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Need any ADB Mice and/or Keyboards?
Please,
Take this off list or to the swap list.
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I didnt want to run any form of windows (maybe win 3.1 for kicks) mostly for
dos just to see how it worked on the mac. The technology is old enough that
I figure the cards could be found rather inexpensively.
Somehow I think that running windows me or xp on a IIfx would be even
more of kick! I
What no-body has mentioned is that the IIsi can run OS 6.0.8L, which
the LCIII cannot.
And 6.06, 6.07 and 6.08 plain.
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He needs to have a chat with the sysadmin and find
out if the switches and routers are the managed
type, which can be configured over the ethernet
cable using a Telnet program or if they're fancy
ones with built in mini web servers, by using a
web browser. There is where the various protocols
Maybe in theory, but not in practice. The hubs in my office crash
when someone transfers files from or to the fileserver over
appletalk. The hubs can handle AFP over IP alright but as soon as
appletalk turns up its head trouble starts. Only the printing over
appletalk seems to work just
AppleTalk and AppleShare IP are in no way the same. Their only
similarity is they are both for the Mac OS and made by Apple.
AppleTalk is slower and uses older routines it is also very
versatile and works over more than one medium (in other similar
guises such as LocalTalk). AppleShare IP is a
AppleTalk is not an inferior protocol at all. It is designed for
simplicity and convenience on a local area network, and does the job
quite well. TCP/IP never matched the convenience of AppleTalk on a LAN
until Apple recently introduced Rendevous. Modern servers and clients
support AppleShare over
Mark Benson wrote:
Having done nothing in particular to my 7100cx I now can't mount
any OS X Based AppleTalk shares that require a password, it just
tells me the password is wrong. It is not (I'm pretty sure)
upgrading to OS X 10.3 that did id, but might maybe 10.3.1?
Connecting to both my OS
For anyone who wondered what the life expectancy is of IIfx without a
fan, I have the answer: it is short.
I have tried it with a modified IIfx (no hard disk (major heat
producer), very lowend video card and enough holes to get rid of
heat), it didn't work. The strain on the psu was just to
What version is required to get the ip address button, I have no
need for it and would like to point out that that Mark shouldn't
either. Original where possible on my on topic macs. 3.8.x?
I am not sure about the version. Someting like 3.7.x or 3.8.x...
No one would cry over the loss of dell,
Why should one want to use appletalk when running mac os 8.1 on the
client machine? Appletalk is an inferior protocol that should be
avoided when you have the alternative of IP. The only reason I am
using it is because of my laserwriters being appletalk only and my
personal server (fanless LC
Marten van de Kraats wrote:
For anyone who wondered what the life expectancy is of IIfx without
a fan, I have the answer: it is short.
I have tried it with a modified IIfx (no hard disk (major heat
producer), very lowend video card and enough holes to get rid of
heat), it didn't work
on 10/28/03 9:46 PM, Michael Day at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
HiI'm a lurker on this list. I have a Micron Xceed color cardit is
NOT a gray-scale but it worked very nicely with a 15 Apple Multi-Scan
monitor. I can't recall the resolution and I don't have a working SE/30 to
test it in
Hi Guys,
I'm just starting into Mac world (I'm used to PCs, Windows and Linux).
Welcome to the list.
I have the base unit of an LC 3 (or is that LCIII) and power lead.
Can anyone tell me the basics? Like: do I need a Mac versions of:
- Screen
- Keyboard
- Mouse
or can I use PC versions with the
I tried to boot an LC475 that I am setting up for acustomer from an
OS 8.0 CD. I held down the 'C' key as normal and it crashed to:
[Sad]
[Mac]
000F
0001
Odd I thought. It was supposed to work on all 040 Macs. I rebooted
assuming the hard disk (with 7.6) would boot the machine as
On Wednesday, October 22, 2003, at 01:21 AM, Marten van de Kraats wrote:
I, and others, have managed it from 6.0.8 to OS X (10.1.x). I have
yet to repeat the trick with 10.2 sadly.
It can be done. I have done it.
E-Mail 1st thing in the morning - sorry.
So it does work pre-8.0 to 10.2
I'm afraid that you are going to need your PC in order to make
floppies to get the Mac going.
I don't think he needs to do that. He just has to link his LC III to
his ibook via athernet and then transfer the needed files for tcp/ip
to his LC III. He can make an appletalk connection with the
OT 1.1.2 will work just fine on a LCIII running 7.1. I guess you
were using some other Mac.
Actually I never tried because:
1) Many people are so adamant that Classic networking was better than OT.
They were wrong. Classic networking is only better if you have little
ram to spare.
2) the only
I'm no expert on this, I think the only 68k Mac that can be brought forward
to a PPC is the Quadra 800, and that takes saving the upper case, throwing
out the rest and putting the upper case on a PM 8500. The back and the
bottom will not work on a 8500. (I tried years ago, and bought the mobo
I, and others, have managed it from 6.0.8 to OS X (10.1.x). I have
yet to repeat the trick with 10.2 sadly.
It can be done. I have done it.
Marten
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I have just found two old LCs.
I would like to rejuvenate them so that students and lab assistant
can use them.
In our environment we have already moved to OS X, airport etc...,
however I believe these vintage Macs are worth a few bucks for
upgrading them.
So the idea is to upgrade the LC
I can't find the on/off switch. Boy do I feel silly. Can anyone help me?
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You don't need it. That model turns off itself automatically after
usage as you might have noticed.
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If you wanna discuss the Apple 2 you are advised to subscribe to the
apple2list. There are probably more people there that can help you
with that machine.
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As promised: the profile of the ImageWriter I. It is of course just
a concept. Feel free to comment.
We are now in the process of developing a guideline for the profiles
of all other (vintage) mac compatible printers we are going to write
profiles on.
ImageWriter I
The ImageWriter I is more
Hey, I'm still in. I have a Personal LW, a LW 16/600, a Color
Stylewriter 2400, a LW Select 300, and an Imagewriter I.
Do you have a preference of which one I should do first? I'd imagine
the 16/600, which is probably the most relevant to the greatest
number of people (of the printers I own).
Anyone know wether it is somehow possible to print to this thing
(star nl 10 matrix printer) from a Mac running a macintosh system?
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Anyway, my (list qualifying) LCIII cannot read the floppy. Neither will
my other Mac, but I fear reprisal if I mention its model...
That thing with the Quadra 650 was my mistake. I should not have
jumped at it the way I did.
Don't make such a fuss about it.
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An LC or an LCII makes a great little headless server. To get around the
need for a monitor to boot, I made a small flat-bottomed U-shaped jumper
out of a paperclip, just large enough to short pins #7 and #10 on the
monitor connector. That makes it think a 640x480 display is attached.
I don't
pin 7 and 10 work for me. Thanks, Bob. Now I can finally put my
fanless LC to work as a server. Since sleeper puts the hard disk to
snooze after only one minute it truly is a silent server that only
awakens when it is called for duty.
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Since this evening I am the proud owner of an Apple ImageWriter I. It
is a downright heavy piece of equipment and seems to have build to
last. I got a set of cables that allows to hook it both to a 512k and
Macs with the more standard modem and printer port. Just printed a
letter to the tax
What is sleeper?
That is a control panel that allows you to have the hard disk set to
sleep automatically. This way you can reduce heat, noise and energy
usage.
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system 7.6.1 is
flawless, and easy to maintain. Like you say, Norton of that era does a
great job of keeping it up and running like a charm (and an occasional
desktop rebuilding).
That is exactly my problem. I don't find it normal that one needs to
keep an OS a float with Norton. IN my office I
The Quadra 650 certainly IS a part of this list. It's a 68k Mac in the ugly
metal box whose motherboard is a GREAT replacement in a Quadra 700 a much
prettier box.
Discusssons about this ugly machine are acceptable according to the
LEM page, but they are not the main focus of this list.
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Just curious. I am interested in a CHEAP Powerbook. I'd like
color. I think I am most interested in a 540c, but I know lots of
people like the 1400cs.
I'm just curious as to what people on this list think is a good all
around starter Powerbook. The main purpose would be entertainment,
I just picked up a Apple cd sc plus for only Euro 2.50. It looks
pretty cool and looks nice with the IIci, the apple scanner one, the
laserwriter IIg and my apple rgb monitor. Don't know if it works yet.
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The apple cd sc plus I picked up today does not work. The tray won't
pop out. The curious design makes it impossible to just pop in
another cd player because head phone port and the cd eject button are
not built into the cd but are put on a small separate board. To
complicated for me to repair
why not disconnect the second board and wire that direct to the new
cdrom? that should be only 5 soldier points. 8 if you have a
volume control
You overestimate me, I am not much of a repair man. Anyway, one of
these days I will bump into a working one.
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What is the fastest CD-ROM unit that can be placed into a Quadra 650?
Can a SCSI burner be placed in there?
The Quadra is an off topic machine for this list.
In theory the fastest scsi cd player you can find I guess. You can
also put a cd burner in that off topic machine. I suppose both the
I'm not sure what the once removed rule means.
Me neither. It is a strange rule. I suppose it means that discussions
about 68040 are less off topic than discussions about powermacs or
powerbooks but we still prefer people to go to the quadlist with
those machines. I understand this list is a
Of course it reeks of flipping Linux, it was ported to OSX. Like
many things adopted by OSX, they're just ported from somewhere else.
I may be wrong and you dont need X11 to run OpenOffice but I doubt
it.
I have once run OpenOffice just to have a peek. I needed X11 to do
so. I can't find my
I've found my Turbo 601 upgraded IIci to be a much
less twitchy computer than my Radius 81/110,
which itself is far less troublesome than my 7300/200.
Every time I do _anything_ to the 7300 I find myself
having to do a clean OS reinstall. Had it going good
then dropped in a USB 1.1 card and
I've just confirmed that my Classic II, running OS 6.0.8L, has a
total memory of 10,240KB, the largest free block is 9,102KB, Finder
uses 160KB, while the system uses 978KB. Does this elevate the
Classic II from Road Apple status as a OS 6 machine? :-)
In my book no Mac that can run system 6
OpenOffice1.10 runs well so far on both the quad and the 7300, might have to
ask Gregg about this source for apple 10/100 nics though. Well the bits I've
tried have so far. :)
Ah. OpenOffice. But that reeks of linux. Or what? Linux might run
pretty well on those machines, contrary to the Mac OS.
And to keep things on topic, I STILL run back to my accelerated IIci and
Quadra 700 for that 68k feeling.
I must be a 68k elitist since my 68k collection consists of a IIfx, 840av,
and a 950/AWS.
He he he. An accelerated IIci can be faster than a 840 av. One of
those turbo 040 cards for the
That Mac has built-in sound. No card necessary.
I was hoping for stereo sound, plus sound input would be nice so I can use
the videospigot card I have in the corner.
The built-in sound is stereo.
Are you looking for something like this?
Forget it. 6.08L probably won't install on it anyway. See gamba's
system 6 page for ideas on how to deal with to much memory or setup
a ram disk and make your mac fly.
I don't know about the L but 6.0.8 should install on a IIci, or at
least 6.0.7 will.
Of course 6.0.8 will run on it, so will
Once upon a time there was some software that would let you use up
to 14Mb on a IIci and others of that vintage. It did it by snagging
the space normally allocated to NuBus slots
Anyone know anything about this?
Marten
Forget I asked. He was of course talking about maxima.
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I have vintage macs as email servers, dns, and incoming fax machines. And
they do it every bit as well as a G5 could, if not better. Now, the fact
that I paid over $9,000 for my IIfx when it was brand new is another
story...
You still use a machine that you bought 14 years ago? cool!
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One of the best things about the vintage and quadra macs is the fact
they are still very useful, as OSX becomes more mature software is
slowly drying up for the classic OS, I spend much more time in the
internet archieve than I do on real sites now which I think is a
real shame, the fact the
Those older Macs..Satisfying, less filling and only HALF the
calories.
And these newer macs..Well? :(
These newer macs? The Macs Apple produced since the first G3 (late
1997) have been pretty good. Much better than the average computer
anyway. They are only a bit expensive.
It wasn't until the Mac decided to use more PC-oriented components that it's
been REALLY problematic.
There is nothing problematic about today's Macs. How much experience
do you have with imacs, g3's, g4's, ibooks?
Using pc-oriented components like ide and pci is not a bad thing, it
is cheaper
Marten van de Kraats wrote:
It wasn't until the Mac decided to use more PC-oriented components that it's
been REALLY problematic.
I did not write that, Darren, and I don't agree with it either.
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Replies like this should be off list and please don't include the
entire original message when replying. Leave only the info that is
essential to your answer (which, as i said, should have be given off
list in this case).
Marten
Hi Todd,
This would be shipping in the USA only?
Matt
Von:
I don't use OCR programs often, but today I needed to OCR three pages.
I used the imac 400 Mhz and the agfa snapscan I have at work. The OCR
program I used was Omnipage pro 8.0.
The result was a mess. A total mess. The text files omnipage pro 8.0
produced were totally worthless.
I wondered what
How much did the upgrade cost?
19 euro
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clip
Here is a list of all apple printers ever made (the
vast majority
You left out the DeskWriters which were Mac versions
of HP DeskJets.
They will come in time. First concentrate on the apple branded ones.
The list is already long enough
Sometime ago we talked about the necessity to have Apple printer
profiles/reviews on the Web, and decided we should make them
ourselves. Yesterday I heard that lowendmac would be very happy to
host such profiles, so now it is time to start working.
We have to decide who is going to write which
Today my Daystar PowerCache arrived. It is the 50 Mhz version. I am
really happy with it.
At first speedometer didn't notice much change, but then I discovered
I did need a driver (a control panel) after all. Now the cpu of my
IIci is twice as fast. The FPU even more than that and the video is
I am now the proud owner of a copy of Pina's Dead Mac Scrolls and a
black and white apple scanner that still functions perfectly and
works very well with system 6.
I bought the scanner because I had to do a lot of black and white
scanning some days ago. Of course I could have used my snapscan
6.0.8L was made to work with the Classic II and others.
Those others being the LCII and the powerbook 100.
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Someone around here has OmniPage, version 3 or lower? It is OCR software.
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I also won bids on a daystar powercache for my IIci
What Mhz? I hope you got at least a 40Mhz with the
FPU chip too.
The speed is a mystery. I only know it was used to speed up a IIci,
so it should be faster than 25 Mhz. Jugding from
Since I have an empty PDS, are/where/is there any
interesting
alternatives to fill it with (that would still be
compatible with OS 6)?
The DayStar Turbo 030 Universal Power Cache manual
(Version 2.0A) does not mention System 6, but the
card will work with A/UX. They were made in 25,
33, 40
All the printer info already exists in the AppleSpec database.
http://www.info.apple.com/support/applespec.html
The old legacy stuff that we're interested in is at
http://www.info.apple.com/support/applespec.legacy/index.html
We are familiar with these pages. The idea for reviews of the apple
On 7/29/03 9:52 PM, Bryan Kattwinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is definitely a weird model, a postscript printer that works by direct
serial connection (no localtalk). We put one on an 8600 running 8.6 and
it seemed to be ok there, but I don't recall printing from SimpleText.
This surprises
How odd. I thought it would be a normal network printer, considering
it did postscript according to apple's specifications page. What
maddness drove them to build that thing?
LEM has all these nice pages about all the different Macintosh models
ever build. We need something like that for
Maybe we should just do it. Any volunteers? I suppose we could best
offer the content to Lowend Mac. I'll ask Dan what he thinks about
it. I guess we must limit ourselves to the Apple printers because
otherwise there would come no end to the amount of reviews we
should have to write. Any
I think we need to delegate the writing of reviews to those people who
actually own or have serviced the printers.
You are right about that.
I can help with the layout and if there is a site available that won't blast
us with add ware or spy ware that we can use then that is where it should
be.
I
For all you people interested in the development of a webbrowser for
system 6 (and who isn't?): This message was posted on the system 6
list, but because there are also a lot of system sixxers on the
compact mac and vintage mac lists I have forwarded it. It's from a
German developer wondering
Thanks for the very comprehensive explanation. I am of course in the
market for a faster 030 or a 040 on my IIci, because the ppc 601
won't run system 6. I'm trying to find something on ebay. Anyone
here have such an accelerator for sale?
Marten
Daystar's main 68k accelerator/upgrade
can anyone suggest a faster browser and a faster email program for
running on a lc520 running system 7.5.5. for those who dont know, the
lc520 is powered by an 030. i am running netscape 3 (not gold) and it
is like molasis, mostly due to the size of the program.
Switch to icab (www.icab.de) for
Yes, I have installed Open Transport 1.1.2 over OT 1.1.1, as well as finally
finding the driver for my Ethernet card - thanks to another subscriber who
supplied me the information offlist. Now, I suppose all I have to do is get
my wife to shut down the PowerBook so that I can turn everything
Is this a Vintage list question?
The printer is on topic, the computer not.
Oh well .
I just picked up one of these printers. Looks smart, came with s/w
(version 1.0) and the users guide.
So I tried to use it with my Performa 6360 under OS 9.1 (yes, this
is not very vintage but its the
I am more of a software than a hardware guy, so I don't know much
about accelerators. I have never used one so far, but would like to
equip my IIci with one. Not because I really need it, but because it
seems fun.
I noticed daystar made two types: powercache and turbo. I suppose the
I'm kinda-sorta with you on the system 6 thing. Now I have my OSX PB
G4 12 I'm losing interest in my older Macs - especially the 'middle
years' ones. That's what the IIci is about. I have been playing with
a IIsi and OS 6.0.8 but I'm fed up with the single slot. I need
ethernet and a graphics
Since I have one more port available on the router, I am wondering if it is
possible to connect my IIci to high-speed Internet service, as well. The
IIci is, as of now, configured with System 7.1.1, 128MB of RAM and has an
Excellan EtherPort II card installed (assuming I can find a driver to get
Alex and Dan are suspended for the next 48 hours. They will not be
able to post during that time. This thread was officially closed,
they ignored my warning. Now they must face the consequences.
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Supposedly these three guys are right and the list mom made a mistake
(he too is human after all), they are making it increasingly
difficult for me to do something for her.
That's what I meant when I wrote about not going into open warfare.
BTW This IrixX guy has also been suspended. Did that
According to:
http://www.sonnettech.com/downloads/proc_upgrds_sw.html#p040
it goes down to only 7.1.
Gamba
OTOH this
http://www.sonnettech.com/support/read_me/presto_read_me.html
mentions using it with 6.0.8.
Thanks, this means it might work after all. Cool.
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Alex and Dan are suspended for the next 48 hours.
I meant of course Alex and Darren.
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I have an SE 30 with 4 MB of RAM running system 7.1. Is there a way to
connect my external SCSI Zip drive to it. There is no driver below system
7.5 on the Iomega site.
There are older drivers around on the web.
You can find one here:
Anyone know wether the sonnet presto 040 upgrade for the IIci works
with system 6?
Greetings,
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This thread is now officially closed.
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Dear list members,
If you have problems about the way these lists are managed, please
contact me off list, do not begin sending numerous messages to the
list. Most list members don't want to be bothered with personal
vendetta's or problems, they just want to read about vintage macs.
BTW Off
i'm sorry, but while i do appreciate the time you and our list nanny
put in to maintaining these lists, i'm getting really fed up at the
childishness and unneccessarily heavy handed discipline.
even a parent knows that one must let go and trust a little for a
child to grow - thinking of the
What methods are available to me for transfering data from my mac IIsi, 7.6
to a more current platform...(such as Mac OS 9.0 or .10.0)
You can either use disks or a network connection.
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Threes different solutions have been offered for this problem, but it
seems to me the first one (offered by Ken) is by far the most simple
one.
The LCII is equipped with a so called superdrive, a floppy drive that
can read and write both DOS and Mac formatted floppies. You need a
certain piece
The broken links on all pages except for the pages in the main
download area have been fixed. Some minor changes were made. The
repair of broken links in the main download area will follow shortly.
After that I am planning some new things.
Marten van de Kraats
Isn't the .sig file in breach of netiquette?
Yes, it is.
Marten van de Kraats
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Steve Conrad
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It is no secret (nor should it come
Here is a guy (Steve) providing valuable information to the list (or at
least to me), and you hack on him for his non-political, non-controversial
sig? A sig he has been using for quite some time without complaint?
If you have nothing useful or at least constructive to say (and this
wasn't), SHUT
This thread is now officially closed. I don't want to hear anymore about it.
Marten
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Check out the System 6 Heaven:
http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/system_6_heaven.html
I hauled out one of those old LCs the other day and found it with
pretty much its original System 6.0.7 installation on it. I got a
few cockamamie ideas and decided to attempt networking it with my
other machines, using an Asante' MacCon-i LC-10baseT card I found.
First I used NSI 1.4.5 to
is system 6 capable of displaying color like system 7 or 8?
Of course. Millions of colors if you want (depending on hardware naturally).
Marten
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