Re: [Vo]:Re: Creationism (was Re:OT: periodic table)

2008-02-07 Thread OrionWorks
Thomas sez: Michel Jullian wrote: The recent discussion on evolution and Mickey Mouse watches reminded me of the opening words of /The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy/ : You need to watch Privileged Planet I see our privileged planet has once again become the center of the universe.

Re: [Vo]:Re: Creationism (was Re:OT: periodic table)

2008-02-07 Thread Harry Veeder
To see a world in a grain of sand, And a heaven in a wild flower, Hold infinity in the palm of your hand, And eternity in an hour. from _Auguries of Innocence_ by William Blake (1757-1827) Is anything entirely ordinary? Harry On 7/2/2008 2:46 PM, Michel Jullian wrote: I don't know what

[Vo]:Re: Creationism (was Re:OT: periodic table)

2008-02-07 Thread Michel Jullian
I don't know what PP is (a US TV program?), but I know for sure that we don't know enough about other solar systems to tell whether ours is ordinary or not! Michel - Original Message - From: thomas malloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:33

Re: [Vo]:Re: Creationism (was Re:OT: periodic table)

2008-02-07 Thread thomas malloy
OrionWorks wrote: Thomas sez: Michel Jullian wrote: The recent discussion on evolution and Mickey Mouse watches reminded me of the opening words of /The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy/ : You need to watch Privileged Planet I see our privileged planet has once again

Re: [Vo]:Creationism (was Re:OT: periodic table)

2008-02-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
thomas malloy wrote: As for Radical Islamists R I's teaching their children to be shaids (martyrs), they are honoring their god. Dawkins can't see any difference between the two religious systems. Of course he can! You may not agree with Dawkins -- I have some quarrels with him myself --

Re: [Vo]:Re: Creationism (was Re:OT: periodic table)

2008-02-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mike Carrell wrote: To see a world in a grain of sand, And a heaven in a wild flower . . . ANOTHER case of Misleading Vividness. When will they learn?!? Sorry Jed, this is a bit of poetic license. . . . I know, I know. Just kidding. - Jed

[Vo]:The League of Defenders of the Bastions of Science -- that's us

2008-02-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jeff Fink wrote: With the exception of you, Mr. Malloy, and me, the contributors to this forum represent the most amazing dichotomy I have ever encountered. With open minds and open eyes they fearlessly assail the bastions of physics, and with rather meager amounts of experimental data and

Re: [Vo]:Creationism (was Re:OT: periodic table)

2008-02-07 Thread Harry Veeder
On 7/2/2008 12:40 AM, thomas malloy wrote: Jed Rothwell wrote: thomas malloy wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: Did Dawkins say exactly that? It was reported on one of the Salem Radio Network talk shows. They are normally reliable, but not inerrorant. Dawkins did say exactly that:

Re: [Vo]:Re: Creationism (was Re:OT: periodic table)

2008-02-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: To see a world in a grain of sand, And a heaven in a wild flower . . . ANOTHER case of Misleading Vividness. When will they learn?!? - Jed

Re: [Vo]:OT: Robot to pitch in at the pumps

2008-02-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: People know exist inside factories or research labs, but most people don't have daily encounters with robots. This could be the first robot which is widely experienced. That's true. But this is the minister of economic affairs who is gushing on about a minor, incremental

Re: [Vo]:Re: Creationism (was Re:OT: periodic table)

2008-02-07 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:28:57 -0500: Hi, [snip] OrionWorks wrote: PS: Yesterday in the mists of observing the whiteout I noticed several of my colleagues at work (who are of the conservative persuasion) who appeared to be positively gleeful. I gather that

Re: [Vo]:Re: Creationism (was Re:OT: periodic table)

2008-02-07 Thread OrionWorks
Thomas sez: Michel Jullian wrote: The recent discussion on evolution and Mickey Mouse watches reminded me of the opening words of /The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy/ : You need to watch Privileged Planet I see our privileged planet has once again become the center of the universe.

Re: [Vo]:Re: Creationism (was Re:OT: periodic table)

2008-02-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Biased sample Hasty generalization Misleading vividness http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies [snip] I'm afraid it's worse than that. Global warming adds energy to the system, which in turn results in greater amplitude in the oscillations. This means higher

RE: [Vo]:Creationism (was Re:OT: periodic table)

2008-02-07 Thread Jeff Fink
Richard, With the exception of you, Mr. Malloy, and me, the contributors to this forum represent the most amazing dichotomy I have ever encountered. With open minds and open eyes they fearlessly assail the bastions of physics, and with rather meager amounts of experimental data and observations,

Re: [Vo]:Re: Creationism (was Re:OT: periodic table)

2008-02-07 Thread Mike Carrell
- Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Creationism (was Re:OT: periodic table) Harry Veeder wrote: To see a world in a grain of sand, And a heaven in a

[Vo]:volvo hybrid concept

2008-02-07 Thread Jones Beene
This concept from Volvo is not totally 'new' by any means, but here is a short well-done video explaining how the small details continue to evolve beyond the current Prius - and towards an immediately marketable system which is even 'greener' and more efficient. The nice refinement here is the

Re: [Vo]:Re: Creationism (was Re:OT: periodic table)

2008-02-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks wrote: PS: Yesterday in the mists of observing the whiteout I noticed several of my colleagues at work (who are of the conservative persuasion) who appeared to be positively gleeful. I gather that yesterday's winter demonstration was proof, from their POV, that Global Warming is

Re: [Vo]:Re: Creationism (was Re:OT: periodic table)

2008-02-07 Thread Mike Carrell
The most ordinary is the most miraculous to those who can look instead of thinking and consulting their preconceptions. Mike Carrell - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re:

Re: [Vo]:Re: Creationism (was Re:OT: periodic table)

2008-02-07 Thread Nick Palmer
my colleagues at work (who are of the conservative persuasion) who appeared to be positively gleeful. I gather that yesterday's winter demonstration was proof, from their POV, that Global Warming is nothing more than a crock hatched by the liberals, that Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth crusade is a

Re: [Vo]:Re: Creationism (was Re:OT: periodic table)

2008-02-07 Thread OrionWorks
How they can they still be so ignorant? Please take comfort in the knowledge that it was a small group of individuals. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

[Vo]:Global Warming, renamed: The Mandelas of Celestial Mechanics

2008-02-07 Thread OrionWorks
Robin and Jed recently elaborated on the unpredictable nature of weather patterns attributed to Global Warming where it might seem for brief spells as if the exact opposite of global warming is occurring. A branch of computer simulations for which I have immersed myself in for several months now

Re: [Vo]:Re: Creationism (was Re:OT: periodic table)

2008-02-07 Thread thomas malloy
The Privileged Planet is a DVD about our solar system. It lists all of the physical constants which are just so, not too hot, not too cold. Together they make it possible for sentient beings to build an advanced civilization. Michel Jullian wrote: I don't know what PP is (a US TV program?),

Re: [Vo]:Creationism (was Re:OT: periodic table)

2008-02-07 Thread thomas malloy
Harry Veeder wrote: On 7/2/2008 12:40 AM, thomas malloy wrote: Jed Rothwell wrote: thomas malloy wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: Did Dawkins say exactly that? It was reported on one of the Salem Radio Network talk shows. They are normally reliable, but

Re: [Vo]:Re: Creationism (was Re:OT: periodic table)

2008-02-07 Thread thomas malloy
Edmund Storms wrote: Of course our planet is not ordinary. Life would not exist if it were. On the other hand, trillions of planets exist. The extraordinary ones would have life. So, our planet is one of perhaps a few billion that have life in various sages of development. Only people who