[Vo]:Re: Best of the best near-term horizon

2008-04-18 Thread Michel Jullian
Good point ;-) But their argument that city scale utility plants cost less per watt than rooftop residential installations makes sense, so it might be a win-win case. Michel - Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April

[Vo]:Re: Eye of the Gyre

2008-04-18 Thread Michel Jullian
Even better, let's close the loop! Instead of far away (e.g. Azores) seeding, we could use a second sea line (underwater pipeline) to reject seeds, process residues with fertilizing value, and any additional fertilizer, from the processing station (e.g. Bermuda, or a floating platform not

RE: [Vo]:Stupid Academic stunt

2008-04-18 Thread Dr Josef Karthauser
-Original Message- From: Robin van Spaandonk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 April 2008 03:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Stupid Academic stunt In reply to Dr Josef Karthauser's message of Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:12:51 +0100: Hi Joe, [snip] I'm a

Re: [Vo]:Re: Eye of the Gyre

2008-04-18 Thread R C Macaulay
Howdy Michel, I wouldn't want to be suspended way out there on a guywire when a catagory 5 hurricane comes visiting. Richard Michel wrote, Even better, let's close the loop! Instead of far away (e.g. Azores) seeding, we could use a second sea line (underwater pipeline) to reject seeds,

[Vo]:Re: Eye of the Gyre

2008-04-18 Thread Michel Jullian
Good point Richard, neither would I, nor would any robotic platform... Maybe we could envisage sufficient flexibility in the mooring scheme (maybe some kind of semi-dynamic mooring, static most of the time, dynamic=motorized when needed) to move out of the way of the hurricane? Michel -

Re: [Vo]:corn price and ethanol

2008-04-18 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Nick Palmer wrote: I think it was Steven who wrote about the sophistry of the argument about why food prices were rising (due to the diversion of corn production into making ethanol biofuel). In today's technology review http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/20641/ they are looking at the

[Vo]:Article: Dark matter may have been found on Earth.

2008-04-18 Thread OrionWorks
Posted this out to Luke's Hydrino group: Recent article out in NewScientistSpace.com http://space.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn13726 Exercpt: This theory predicts that the Earth should be hit by more dark matter particles in June, when it is moving through the galaxy in the same

[Vo]:Re: corn price and ethanol

2008-04-18 Thread Michel Jullian
Good points. (your translation was excellent BTW, just one typo principaux translates as 'principal', not 'principle') I wonder, is the floating type of sargassum (S.bacciferum OR natans) edible? Other varieties definitely are, as a Google search on sargassum and edible reveals. Michel -

[Vo]:Re: corn price and ethanol

2008-04-18 Thread Michel Jullian
(Marie-Antoinette, not Marie, you ignoramus ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegemite : Vegemite is a dark brown savoury food paste made from yeast extract, used mainly as a spread on sandwiches, toast and cracker biscuits, as well as a filling of pastries like Cheesymite scroll, in Australia

Re: [Vo]:Re: corn price and ethanol

2008-04-18 Thread Michael Foster
Michel wrote: (Marie-Antoinette, not Marie, you ignoramus ;-) Well actually, if she said it at all it was, Qu'ils mangent de la brioche. Nothing about cake. This may sound silly or irrelevant to the discussion but it's not. Her husband, Louis XV1, had gone to great lengths to convince French

Re: [Vo]:corn price and ethanol

2008-04-18 Thread Nick Palmer
Stephen A. Lawrence (not Steven - sorry) wrote:- In any case, 1/3 of the increase is still a big issue. Look again at the price of rice: Up 147% in a year, according to the Wall Street Journal. If 1/3 of that rise is due to diversion of arable land to make biofuel, then biofuel production,

[Vo]:The (possible) oil peak rolls on

2008-04-18 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
The government office concerned with such things has predicted that oil prices will average about $101/bbl this coming year, if I recall correctly. Commodities traders don't seem to agree. As I write this, May crude oil contracts are going for $116.82/bbl. That's up $4 in the last four

Re: [Vo]:The (possible) oil peak rolls on

2008-04-18 Thread Edmund Storms
I'm confused. Perhaps someone on this list has the answer. Everyone who has discussed the issues here seems to agree to the following: 1. Increase in energy cost will drive up food and other commodity prices, which will reduce consumer spending. 2. Increased cost of personal transportation

Re: [Vo]:The (possible) oil peak rolls on

2008-04-18 Thread Jones Beene
Short answer: Because the stock market is not really going up ;-) Yes, it may look at first glance like there have been some small increases in the market, in terms of its listed valuation in $US ... ...but thanks to the continuation of the Bush record budget deficits, in terms of real worth

Re: [Vo]:The (possible) oil peak rolls on

2008-04-18 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Edmund Storms wrote: I'm confused. Perhaps someone on this list has the answer. Everyone who has discussed the issues here seems to agree to the following: 1. Increase in energy cost will drive up food and other commodity prices, which will reduce consumer spending. Yes, and increasing

Re: [Vo]:The (possible) oil peak rolls on

2008-04-18 Thread Jones Beene
Correction - not even half as they say... Way more than half of the value of the US stock market has been lost in the last few years. Thank you W, and thank you neocons for the most disastrous US Presidency since WWII. Like a bumper sticker seen recently: Never Thought I'd Miss Nixon

Re: [Vo]:The (possible) oil peak rolls on

2008-04-18 Thread Harry Veeder
On 18/4/2008 3:56 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Edmund Storms wrote: I'm confused. Perhaps someone on this list has the answer. Everyone who has discussed the issues here seems to agree to the following: 1. Increase in energy cost will drive up food and other commodity prices, which

Re: [Vo]:The (possible) oil peak rolls on

2008-04-18 Thread Edmund Storms
Yes Jones, the market has dropped from its recent record high near 14000, but presently it has gone up from slightly below 12000 to now near 12800 while all kinds of bad things are becoming perfectly obvious. Someone must be buying stocks without any concern about the real world conditions. I

Re: [Vo]:The (possible) oil peak rolls on

2008-04-18 Thread Edmund Storms
Thanks Steve, this is a very nice summary. However, even I, a nonbusiness student, can see the flaws when the logic is applied to the present situation. When the business cycle turns around, it is because some basic money making process is improved. In the process, consumer demand goes up

Re: [Vo]:The (possible) oil peak rolls on

2008-04-18 Thread OrionWorks
There is also a contrarian philosophy that seems to work for some investors: Buy when everyone else is dumping like terrified rats leaving a sinking ship. Often, when certain stocks seem to be tanking and headed for the worst, that's exactly the time when contrarians begin investing. Sometimes, it

Re: [Vo]:Re: Best of the best near-term horizon

2008-04-18 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Michel Jullian's message of Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:22:26 +0200: Hi, [snip] Good point ;-) But their argument that city scale utility plants cost less per watt than rooftop residential installations makes sense, so it might be a win-win case. Michel Well it does provide a ready market

Re: [Vo]:Re: Eye of the Gyre

2008-04-18 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Michel Jullian's message of Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:58:17 +0200: Hi, [snip] Good point Richard, neither would I, nor would any robotic platform... Maybe we could envisage sufficient flexibility in the mooring scheme (maybe some kind of semi-dynamic mooring, static most of the time,

Re: [Vo]:The (possible) oil peak rolls on

2008-04-18 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:59:08 -0600: Hi, [snip] Yes Jones, the market has dropped from its recent record high near 14000, but presently it has gone up from slightly below 12000 to now near 12800 while all kinds of bad things are becoming perfectly obvious.

Re: [Vo]:The (possible) oil peak rolls on

2008-04-18 Thread R C Macaulay
The difficulty in understanding the stock market has it root in not recognizing exactly what it is. The stock market is a legal form of gambling. It IS the great game ! Of the gambling casino parlours in the great game.. commodities are the roulette tables. The players at this table operate