Re:[Vo]: Swedish physicists on the E-cat: It's a nuclear reaction

2011-04-08 Thread Mark Iverson
As Jed pointed out... The test in Feb put out 130KW (129KW is my recollection) for a short period, so if we look at it as a ratio of heat out over volume of reactor chamber, we have: Feb test: 130K/1000 = 130 Mar test:4K/50 = 80 From this, one might try to conclude that the scaled down

Re: [Vo]:Ongoing Rossi Blog stuff

2011-04-08 Thread SHIRAKAWA Akira
On 2011-04-05 20:51, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Rossi continues to answer and/or avoid answering questions. I find this of interest too: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=473 [...] The walls of the reactor are made of stainless steel, copper free. Yes, I have understood why scaling

Re: [Vo]:Ongoing Rossi Blog stuff

2011-04-08 Thread Peter Gluck
Thank you very much for signalling this- it si a proof that he is doing healthy logical professional DEVELOPMENT. Very interesting and very different from scientific research- has a lot more dimensions, including human ones. (I was engaged in thsi type of activity for 25 years in nthe chenmical

Re: [Vo]:Are you falling for it?

2011-04-08 Thread peatbog
OTOH - If he is a total scam artist, and that is certainly not ruled out - then he has probably lined up one or two especially wealthy investors, whom he will fleece. Maybe he figures his scam is morally right since he will use the money he makes to help the kids with cancer.

Re: [Vo]: Swedish physicists on the E-cat: It's a nuclear reaction

2011-04-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:55 AM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote: As Jed pointed out... The test in Feb put out 130KW (129KW is my recollection) for a short period, More like 12.5 kW. T

Re: [Vo]:Ongoing Rossi Blog stuff

2011-04-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 6:22 AM, SHIRAKAWA Akira shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder what could it be. It sounds like we will find out soon, anyway. My guess is Lockheed-Martin. I've heard rumblings of something coming from Marietta; but, I always thought it was EEStor. T

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: It's a nuclear reaction / The used powder contains ten percent copper

2011-04-08 Thread Jay Caplan
What about using a lead pipe with soldered lead discs for cylinder ends for the reactor? The H2 inlet could be 1/8 NPT pipe thread cut into one of the disc ends. Then you get the rad shielding and heat transfer in one structure. Might have to turn the H2 with an elbow and hang more lead over

Re: [Vo]:Are you falling for it?

2011-04-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Heck, if nothing else - this makes a provocative story or screenplay, no? Hypothetical Theme: The engineer and the older professor have been lovers for years as they performed research for a new source of energy. All they

Re: [Vo]:Are you falling for it?

2011-04-08 Thread SHIRAKAWA Akira
On 2011-04-08 14:03, Terry Blanton wrote: energy. All they suffered was heartbreak. Then comes the final tragedy: the professor has contracted a terminal disease. It may sound like a joke, but Focardi did really contract cancer several years ago. He has recovered from it completely,

Re: [Vo]:Are you falling for it?

2011-04-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 8:11 AM, SHIRAKAWA Akira shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011-04-08 14:03, Terry Blanton wrote: energy.  All they suffered was heartbreak.  Then comes the final tragedy:  the professor has contracted a terminal disease. It may sound like a joke, but Focardi did

RE: [Vo]:Ongoing Rossi Blog stuff

2011-04-08 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Terry I wonder what could it be. It sounds like we will find out soon, anyway. My guess is Lockheed-Martin. I've heard rumblings of something coming from Marietta; but, I always thought it was EEStor. Wallmart! ...where they treat you like family! Just kidding. (I wish!)

Re: [Vo]:Are you falling for it?

2011-04-08 Thread Andrea Selva
Thanks Jones This story is the best one I ever read since now :) I just hope the final didn't involve other innocent people in the blast of the prison sewer system. On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Jones Beene

Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: It's a nuclear reaction / The used powder contains ten percent copper

2011-04-08 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jay Caplan Hi Jay, * * If this thing is actually working at 60 - 100 C., then solder should hold. It is running much hotter than that. There is plenty of evidence that he could be using high temperature (hard or silver) brazing. Wide lap joints and the 'crud' on the

Re: [Vo]:Are you falling for it?

2011-04-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Heck, if nothing else - this makes a provocative story or screenplay, no? Hypothetical Theme:  The engineer and the older professor have been lovers

Re: [Vo]:Are you falling for it?

2011-04-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Heck, if nothing else - this makes a provocative story or screenplay, no?

Re: [Vo]:Are you falling for it?

2011-04-08 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Regarding Terry recent breakthrough... OMG! The resemblance is uncanny! This Island Earth was a great SF flick for its time. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047577/

[Vo]:physics engines for dummies

2011-04-08 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
http://www.wildbunny.co.uk/blog/2011/04/06/physics-engines-for-dummies/ Good primer. Reveals computer algorithms used. Have fun messing around with interactive animated white balls! The interactive chaotic pendulum engine near the end of the article is my favorite. Teaches you a'lot about

RE: [Vo]:Are you falling for it?

2011-04-08 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Well, while I be dissin' . . . Doesn't Prof. Levi remind you of Exeter? Probably coincidental, but Rossi's New Hampshire facility is walking distance from Exeter ... which does not mean that I been spyin'.

Re: [Vo]:Are you falling for it?

2011-04-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Probably coincidental, but Rossi's New Hampshire facility is walking distance from Exeter ... which does not mean that I been spyin'. Okay, this is getting creepy. When I was 12, I read John Fuller's 1966 book _Incident

RE: [Vo]:Are you falling for it?

2011-04-08 Thread Jones Beene
Yup. This is creepy! This must be exactly the time frame when Rossi's and his assistant came back from the future :) Next stop Bandera. Notice the Italian-American names. Isn't that conclusive! Jones Note to non-regular readers of vortex: Every once in a while, a few of the regular posters

RE: [Vo]:Are you falling for it?

2011-04-08 Thread Craig Haynie
Probably coincidental, but Rossi's New Hampshire facility is walking distance from Exeter ... which does not mean that I been spyin'. Actually, no. It's in Bedford, which is within walking distance of me, but Exeter is about 45 minutes by car. Craig Haynie Manchester, NH

RE: [Vo]:Are you falling for it?

2011-04-08 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Craig Haynie Probably coincidental, but Rossi's New Hampshire facility is walking distance from Exeter ... which does not mean that I been spyin'. Actually, no. It's in Bedford, which is within walking distance of me, but Exeter is about 45 minutes by car.

Re: [Vo]:Two new papers

2011-04-08 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 04/07/2011 02:10 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Essen, H. and S. Kullander, Experimental test of a mini-Rossi device at the Leonardocorp, Bologna 29 March 2011., in NyTeknik. 2011. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/EssenHexperiment.pdf Interesting paper; thanks, Jed! The temperature graph is

Re: [Vo]:Two new papers

2011-04-08 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
It's also worth noting that after the hiccup in the curve at about 80C, the curve seems to go up more steeply. Since the water's being heated more at that point, that indicates a significant increase in power generated versus the amount generated at ignition (at 60C). That, in turn, suggests

Re: [Vo]:Are you falling for it?

2011-04-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Note to non-regular readers of vortex: Every once in a while, a few of the regular posters here must indulge in a public showing of logical absurdity - in order to demonstrate conclusively that the information which we (too often) present as fact-based

RE: [Vo]: Swedish physicists on the E-cat: It's a nuclear reaction

2011-04-08 Thread Mark Iverson
Terry, Although the steady-state output was between 10 an 20KW, there was a short period in the Feb test where, assuming temperatures and flow rate were being measured accurately, the calculated heat output was about 130KW. If I remember correctly, it was about an 18 minute period. -Mark

[Vo]:Cold Fusion 1928 Style

2011-04-08 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex, I was at my local uniersity and notice a copy of Cold Fusion by Huizenga on the library shelf. I had no intention of reading the book, but then decided to look at the Epilogue. Huizennga cites that the Pons Flieschman set up was known in 1928 also ...he cites similar

Re: [Vo]: Swedish physicists on the E-cat: It's a nuclear reaction

2011-04-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Although the steady-state output was between 10 an 20KW, there was a short period in the Feb test where, assuming temperatures and flow rate were being measured accurately, the calculated heat output was about 130KW. If I remember correctly, it was

Re: [Vo]:Two new papers

2011-04-08 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 04/08/2011 01:12 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: It's also worth noting that after the hiccup in the curve at about 80C, the curve seems to go up more steeply. Since the water's being heated more at that point, that indicates a significant increase in power generated versus the amount

Re: [Vo]:FAKES NOT ALL ELIMINATED : Swedish physicists on the E-cat: It's a nuclear reaction

2011-04-08 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 03:34 PM 4/6/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Because the horizontal arm was NOT inspected unwrapped, we have to assume it contained FAKE material. The 6 hour test was NOT long enough to eliminate all of the fakes. What on EARTH is THAT supposed to mean?

Re: [Vo]:Are you falling for it?

2011-04-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Come to think of it, has anyone located the mysterious George Kelly (or is he one of Rossi's secret friends) ... better yet, one of them ... George Kelly, a.k.a. Indrid Cold. T

Re: [Vo]:FAKES NOT ALL ELIMINATED : Swedish physicists on the E-cat: It's a nuclear reaction

2011-04-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: *Discussion. * Since we do not have access to the internal design of the central fuel container and no information on the external lead shielding and the cooling water system we can only make very general comments. I believe they had access to the

Re: [Vo]:Are you falling for it?

2011-04-08 Thread Harry Veeder
yes, but I am well equipped for this fall...   (see attachment)   Harryattachment: wingsuit.jpg

Re: [Vo]:Are you falling for it?

2011-04-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Dennis wrote: having seen some of these things played out. it could be that he doesn't know how it works. It may be very much material dependent and he has but a little of the good stuff left and doesn't know why batch 3 and 4 (pick some numbers) work and the new ones don't. Now he is

Re: [Vo]:Are you falling for it?

2011-04-08 Thread Harry Veeder
Some day I must watch this movie. How does it compare to Forbidden Planet? Harry   - Original Message From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, April 8, 2011 10:19:44 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Are you falling for it? Regarding

Re: [Vo]:Are you falling for it?

2011-04-08 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Harry: How does it [This Island Earth] compare to Forbidden Planet? Similar caliber. However, FP is a notch better, IMHO! Monsters from the ID! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

RE: [Vo]:Are you falling for it?

2011-04-08 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
I still have a couple of kathermine tubes lying around: http://www.shipbrook.com/jeff/interocitor/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interocitor Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona US -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder [mailto:hlvee...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 12:18

[Vo]:Asymmetry in chemical reactions wrt Rossi

2011-04-08 Thread Jones Beene
Speaking of CETI and Patterson, did you know that besides nickel and palladium coating the beads, JP used copper chloride to initially treat them? This is in the recipe that turned up after his death. This copper molecule was used for a completely different reason, ostensibly; and since it was

[Vo]:Rossi says we have signed a contract

2011-04-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
On April 8, Rossi wrote in his blog: . . . yesterday we signed a very important contract in the USA. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=473cpage=1#comment-31887 On April 7 he wrote: . . . Today I am in the USA factory of Leonardo Corporation where I signed a contract of tremendous

Re: [Vo]:Asymmetry in chemical reactions wrt Rossi

2011-04-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Cu-Ni alloy  - constantan - may do that and guess what? This explains how Rossi’s fabulously lucky cost cutting idea – to use copper based materials for his reactor, paid off handsomely, whether he knows it or not. Ok, ok,

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says we have signed a contract

2011-04-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: On April 8, Rossi wrote in his blog: . . . yesterday we signed a very important contract in the USA. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=473cpage=1#comment-31887 On April 7 he wrote: . . . Today I am in the USA

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says we have signed a contract

2011-04-08 Thread SHIRAKAWA Akira
On 2011-04-08 23:20, Jed Rothwell wrote: On April 8, Rossi wrote in his blog: . . . yesterday we signed a very important contract in the USA. [...] On March 23rd he wrote this: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360cpage=12 [...] Also in the USA we are making tests with an

[Vo]:Rossi's eCat is Steam Punk

2011-04-08 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Culturally speaking, Rossi's eCat (eKittin) technology reminds me of a very popular science fiction genre known as Steam Punk. Steam Punk has its origins that can be traced back many decades. Curiously, within recent history, the genre has become a thriving sub-culture within the science fiction

FW: [Vo]: atom smasher may have found new force of nature

2011-04-08 Thread Jack Harbach-O'Sullivan
PER Joachim Hauser: Torsion-Wave HyperSpace ingress field via the Proton as micro-singularity-electro-valent-shelled body. Ref: GIOVANNI PUNZI: JOACHIM HAUSER(not me) of Deutschland-EU, identified/discovered the TORSION WAVE as obeying the speed-laws/energy density-spin laws of SPOOKY

RE: [Vo]:Rossi says we have signed a contract

2011-04-08 Thread Jones Beene
The obvious candidate would be his previous sugar daddy, doncha think?

RE: [Vo]:Asymmetry in chemical reactions wrt Rossi

2011-04-08 Thread Jones Beene
Micrograms, actually. Perhaps you only need a few atoms thickness on the nickel surface. In fact it might work better that way, since the monatomic hydrogen splits and keeps on going into the interstices a few atoms down, where it densifies ... -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton

Re: [Vo]:Asymmetry in chemical reactions wrt Rossi

2011-04-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Micrograms, actually. Perhaps you only need a few atoms thickness on the nickel surface. Well, that could certainly explain the Patterson fiasco. Call Motorola! T

Re: [Vo]:Asymmetry in chemical reactions wrt Rossi

2011-04-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Well, that could certainly explain the Patterson fiasco.  Call Motorola! I wonder how many of the list members actually get the batwing reference? Pity. I suppose forensic web historians will find it funny . . . in, say,

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says we have signed a contract

2011-04-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: The obvious candidate would be his previous sugar daddy, doncha think? WHO would that be, dare I ask? - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says we have signed a contract

2011-04-08 Thread Esa Ruoho
Completely baseless (baseless, as in, without bass) Internet rumours point to Andrea Rossi signing a contract with Sean McCarthy so that the E-Cat will be used inside products which are supposedly powered by the Steorn Orbo magnetic interaction technology. On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Jones

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says we have signed a contract

2011-04-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
SHIRAKAWA Akira shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: It's a pity that information on Rossi's blog is so scattered and badly organized, but I guess that might be intentional too. I do not think so. I believe I know Rossi well enough to say that the scattered and poorly organized nature of his web

RE: [Vo]:Rossi says we have signed a contract

2011-04-08 Thread Jones Beene
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg43874.html From: Jed Rothwell The obvious candidate would be his previous sugar daddy, doncha think? WHO would that be, dare I ask? - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says we have signed a contract

2011-04-08 Thread SHIRAKAWA Akira
On 2011-04-09 00:40, Jed Rothwell wrote: I do not think so. I believe I know Rossi well enough to say that the scattered and poorly organized nature of his web site is not intentional. He is not the blog webmaster. He did not develop it. So we can't blame the structure on him. But he does not

Re: [Vo]:Two new papers

2011-04-08 Thread mixent
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:43:52 -0400: Hi, [snip] At the point where the effluent is at 60 degrees, it's taking 300 watts just to heat the flowing water. However, at that point ignition takes place, and another heat source begins to warm the device. Since

Re: [Vo]:Two new papers

2011-04-08 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 04/08/2011 07:39 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:43:52 -0400: Hi, [snip] At the point where the effluent is at 60 degrees, it's taking 300 watts just to heat the flowing water. However, at that point ignition takes

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says we have signed a contract

2011-04-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg43874.html LTI in Ohio. No, he said it is a major company. Wouldn't it be marvelous if it is a Fortune 500? If it is a big, well-known national company that makes the business pages then I'm going to

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says we have signed a contract

2011-04-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
SHIRAKAWA Akira shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have access to inside information? Not really. I thought the RD agreement with the University of Bologna was still on hold due to legal / bureaucracy issues, at least as far as I can read between the lines in info posted on

[Vo]:A clue on constantan

2011-04-08 Thread Jones Beene
As you may have figured out by now, constantan is a copper-nickel alloy of unusual properties, whose main feature is its constant resistivity over a wide range of temperatures. Constant being the operative eponym. In addition to the high catalytic energy, it is fair to ask: what is it about this

[Vo]:Massive Pump Leaves Atlanta

2011-04-08 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.11alive.com/rss/article/186581/3/Massive-pumps-heading-to-damaged-reactors-in-Japan Massive pumps heading to damaged reactors in Japan ATLANTA (AP) - A massive Russian cargo plane roared into Atlanta on Friday to pick up one of the world's largest concrete pumps, which has been

Re: [Vo]:FAKES NOT ALL ELIMINATED : Swedish physicists on the E-cat: It's a nuclear reaction

2011-04-08 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:43 AM 4/8/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Discussion. Since we do not have access to the internal design of the central fuel container and no information on the external lead shielding and the cooling water system we can only make very general comments.

Re: [Vo]:FAKES NOT ALL ELIMINATED : Swedish physicists on the E-cat: It's a nuclear reaction

2011-04-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: I believe they had access to the external lead shielding. It only takes a moment to remove it. In their report, they said: We had free access to the heater electric supply, to the inlet water hose, to the outlet steam valve and water hose, and to the

Re: [Vo]:FAKES NOT ALL ELIMINATED : Swedish physicists on the E-cat: It's a nuclear reaction

2011-04-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Just to reiterate a little, the report says: Figures 1 and 2 below depict the insulated device used for the experiment together with three spare devices. It is obvious from Fig. 2 how big the pipes under the insulation are. You can peek and see most of them where the H2 valve comes out. Fig. 4

Re: [Vo]:FAKES NOT ALL ELIMINATED : Swedish physicists on the E-cat: It's a nuclear reaction

2011-04-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
. . . not AFFECT the conclusions. - Jed

[Vo]:Message from Robert Davic about Brightsen model and Rossi

2011-04-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is part of a message to me: . . . I am the nephew of the late Ronald Brightsen. As you might know, my uncle was a nuclear physicist-chemist trained at MIT. Before he passed, my uncle discussed with me his Nucleon Cluster Model. Although there are many different cluster models known to

RE: [Vo]:Are you falling for it?

2011-04-08 Thread Craig Haynie
... should have said 'hiking' distance... so Craig, have you been snooping around for a bit of inside information on the greatest invention since fire ? Not sure what I can do. Should I go knock on the door? :) Craig On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 09:06 -0700, Jones Beene wrote: -Original

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's eCat is Steam Punk

2011-04-08 Thread Rich Murray
Interacting multiple universes? Yes! But let's not hesitate in boldly expanding the possibilities -- since 1600 science has expanded exponentially, revealing vaster and stranger physical realms at an accelerating pace -- we see the same in mathematics -- infinity never runs out -- the growth