If I understand you correctly, what you are proposing is similar to Ahern's
collective oscillons explanation; that random movements tend to conglomerate
together to concentrate energy that would organize electrons contrary to
the 2nd law of Thermodynamics.
That idea is intriguing if I
At 09:54 AM 6/7/2012, Peter Gluck wrote:
Dear Friends,
I am very pleased that I have found a partner for discussion
the essence of LENR, therefore see please:
on one side it is annoying and frightening.
but in a way, for business there is no reason, and many reasons against, to
do independet testing before the product is manufactured.
so the behavior of Rossi and Defkalion is more frightening because they
communicate, which is irrational, than because
Abd Ul, Peter,
this is a very enlightening discussion.
let me comment on some issues, where I hopefully can contribute something of
value.
Let me concentrate on one.
'reliability'
Abd Ul says.
A complete theory will include explanation of the variability (which you call
the reliability
is making the rounds:
Piezonuclear Fission Reactions in Rocks
( A. Carpinteri • G. Lacidogna • A. Manuello • O. Borla)
http://theatomunexplored.com/wp-content/docs/Carpinteri_Rock_Mech_Eng.pdf
...
Abstract:
Neutron emission measurements, by means of
He3 devices and bubble detectors, were
Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com wrote:
As far as memory serves, the Pons/Fleischmann Pd-material has been
delivered by an italian manufacturer, who had a very peculiar way of
processing the material.
Because P/F were not aware of that, they did not disclose it as relevant.
So also
Just to add to my earlier thought.
Ed calculates that the energy of formation for a neutron is 0.76MeV. This
energy must be concentrated from a sea of energy less than 0.1 eV.
What mechanism will accumulate energy over 7,000,000 times its
concentration, and concentrate it on one location to
Hello Jaro,
First, I am not proposing anyone's theory.
I am citing classical physics analogs to W-L theory that look supportive.
Since I don't know Ahern's theory, I can't comment on it.
I'm not sure why you think the 2nd law is violated.
Concentrating energy can be done in many ways - with
thanks, Jed, for the correction,
because this is such an important issue, maybe you can clarify from Your point
of view, why the replications failed.
I have not been near the Max Planck Institute of Plasmaphysics in the 90s, but
as far as I can remember, they tried to replicate and failed.
Fair questions, Jaro,
Yes, there is a 782 Kev barrier to overcome.
Maybe I misunderstand the objection, but why is 0.1 ev relevant?
Google superfocusing nanoantenna plasmon - aren't the electrons in
fields of nanostructure hotspots vastly more energetic than that?
Your starting baseline and the
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 12:59 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
Surface plasmons provide good examples of coherent charge currents.
The electric field can also provide analogous coupling.
A mechanical analog
- One uncoupled freight train car traveling 50 km/h cannot climb a 10m hill
-
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
Ed calculates that the energy of formation for a neutron is 0.76MeV. This
energy must be concentrated from a sea of energy less than 0.1 eV.
Not necessarily. That's only one of several approaches.
Suppose you have a
In the quantum world of the crack, one concept that needs a place at the
table is Luttinger liquids.
This concept has recently been established as a fundamental paradigm vital
to our understanding of the properties of one-dimensional quantum systems,
which has only recently led to a number of
Axil,
very interesting!
Boiling this down to its essence, it means that we can exploit the intrinsic
features of nature by forcing them into carbon-monolayers, onedimensional
structures plus quantum-computers, which compute the Doug Adams number.
Ultimatley we trim down the second law to
I have been attempting to understand how the many electrons couple together to
allow one to achieve the .78 MeV energy. Does this mechanism behave in a
manner that is substantially different than normal where an electron is subject
to motion due to an electric field? I picture myself riding
What happens if you assume a frame of reference that is at the same velocity as
the moving electrons? No relative motion exists under that condition to allow
coupling.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Jun
In reply to Guenter Wildgruber's message of Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:04:57 +0100
(BST):
Hi,
[snip]
Piezoelectric effects could also create EM radiation that might affect the
electronics of the detectors.
is making the rounds:
Piezonuclear Fission Reactions in Rocks
( A. Carpinteri G. Lacidogna
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 6:33 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Guenter Wildgruber's message of Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:04:57 +0100
(BST):
Hi,
[snip]
Piezoelectric effects could also create EM radiation that might affect the
electronics of the detectors.
The two kinds of dectors work
Yes, Lou's freight train analogy is nice, unfortunately, it is not a very
accurate analogy.
In the train example, we expect the energy of the 100 cars behind the lead
car to impart all its energy to the lead car. This only becomes true when
the lead car can absorb, Store and concentrate
Jaro,
Of course all explanations should be considered with suspicion when rare
(possibly imaginary), counterintuitive LENR events occur.
It is relatively easy to contrive more mechanical examples in 3-d, say
with balls coupled with elastic springs impacting a randomly placed
obstacle.
However,
Excellent questions.
I will try to find some good references.
But, I think only masochists try to understand magnetism.
Dave Roberson wrote:
What happens if you assume a frame of reference that is at the same
velocity as the moving electrons? No relative motion exists under that
condition
The one dimensional world has its own unique rules and ways of acting. The
three dimensional world of charge screening that we described in my last
post has absolutely nothing in common with the one dimensional world we
look at now. We will now fall down the hard to understand rabbit hole of
*However, I think you identified an important problem - electromagnetically
coupled charged particles can behave in very strange counterintuitive
ways.
Common sense may be failing us and leading us astray in LENR.
*
See my posts under the many worlds of charge screening.
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at
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