Re: [Vo]:Mark LeClair presents his thesis and supporting evidence

2012-09-22 Thread pagnucco
Thanks, Axil LeClair is making testable claims. He certainly sounds sincere. Hopefully, some labs will try to replicate his results soon. If it turns out his results are correct, I wonder whether the observed neutron and gamma emissions will be as large as expected given the reported levels of

Re: [Vo]:Why is MM considered a disproff of Ether?

2012-09-22 Thread Mauro Lacy
Because the idea of the ether they were after (i.e. were trying to confirm) was completely mechanicistic. They never expected light would sink or shorten into the direction of movement. That is, *longitudinally*. Corolarium 1: The Universe is not mechanicistic. Light, at least, completely

[Vo]:Rossi: Neutrons?

2012-09-22 Thread Robert Lynn
http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/09/rossi-on-the-safety-of-cop-6/ Admittedly this is from Mr Unreliable, so caveat emptor, but if there are neutrons being released under some conditions why not all the time? Neutrons would be really bad news for LENR. Very penetrating and hard to shield - and

Re: [Vo]:Why is MM considered a disproff of Ether?

2012-09-22 Thread ChemE Stewart
Guys, We are surrounded by dark matter which absorbs light and energy and matter Massive dark matter particles are orbiting through the earth and creating many/most of our high energy events on Earth including intense weather patterns, seismic and volcanic activity. Believe it or not I think

Re: [Vo]:Rossi: Neutrons?

2012-09-22 Thread Eric Walker
It's possible that Rossie is seeing more neutrons than he has let on, even in his smaller devices running at low COP. Weighing against this is the fact that many of the LENR researchers have also seen neutrons, but only at very low levels -- Ed Storms provides a single, short paragraph in chapter

Re: [Vo]:Why is MM considered a disproff of Ether?

2012-09-22 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 9:57 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, We are surrounded by dark matter which absorbs light and energy and matter Massive dark matter particles are orbiting through the earth and creating many/most of our high energy events on Earth including intense

[Vo]:New and probably very important - the Reiter effect

2012-09-22 Thread Jones Beene
Hats off to Nick ! Nick Reiter has generously compiled and placed his recent positive thermal results with cobalt-hydrogen in a Word doc at the bottom of the documents list here: https://sites.google.com/site/ohiotoio/documents Note that this is not high-budget work, and is not yet verified

Re: [Vo]:Why is MM considered a disproff of Ether?

2012-09-22 Thread Mauro Lacy
On 09/22/2012 09:04 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote: On 09/22/2012 08:39 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote: On 09/22/2012 08:29 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote: Because the idea of the ether they were after (i.e. were trying to confirm) was completely mechanicistic. They never expected light would sink or shorten into the

Re: [Vo]:New and probably very important - the Reiter effect

2012-09-22 Thread Terry Blanton
The cobalt loaded beads remind me of Mars. Way to go Avalon Biker!

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-22 Thread Alan Fletcher
I have a pre-tirement house near a Borax source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borax_Lake_Site. It was the major US source before those dang mule trains took over. It would be a real doozie if I could just scrape up some salts, hook up the nickels and demonstrate CF// an anomalous heat effect.

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-22 Thread Alan Fletcher
What's the quickest way to do some basic calorimetry ... ? a) Stir the boron and measure the temperature inside and outside the container. b) Compare the measured VA and the delta-T of the solution. c) Use an oscilloscope to check that there are no spikes/abnormal waveforms in the input power.

Re: [Vo]:Why is MM considered a disproff of Ether?

2012-09-22 Thread Jouni Valkonen
There are two kinds of ethers. First: the classical ether is extremely stiff medium where light waves are propagating, similarly like sound waves are propagating in a water. It must be hugely stiff, because the speed of light is depended on the stiffness and the speed of light is quite

Re: [Vo]:The Believers

2012-09-22 Thread Terry Blanton
Opening at the Chicago International Film Festival October 16th: http://www.thebelieversmovie.com/

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-22 Thread Teslaalset
I would say just measure the temperature of an open beaker containing the boron solution. What you're probably looking after is sudden heat increase due to a kind of LENR effect. If such an effect is occurring you should see different slope of the Temp/time graph you should compose. Such sudden

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-22 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote: If you want an extra reference you could use a second identical beaker and use only graphite rods in the same solution. Graphite rods are not necessarily a suitable control. It is possible that graphite will be

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-22 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 11:58:00 AM If you want an extra reference you could use a second identical beaker and use only graphite rods in the same solution. Graphite rods are not necessarily a suitable control. It is possible that graphite

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-22 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: I think that all obvious controls should be tested : nickel, copper ... Chuck reported some. But graphite is probably a good base. Sure -- any possible and interesting control should be attempted, and graphite is definitely

Re: [Vo]:New and probably very important - the Reiter effect

2012-09-22 Thread Eric Walker
This is one of the better writeups that I've seen. It's encouraging to see some simple experiments that, if successful, will demonstrate a clear effect. Nick Reiter should consult a paper written by Hioki, et al., which touches upon work they did monitoring heat evolution in a zeolite [1].

[Vo]:Show me the beef

2012-09-22 Thread Puppy Dog
A lesson for all the naysayers, wind bags, journalist wan-a-bees, hop heads, dreamers and procastinators:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4VJG8-9izQfeature=player_embedded#t=156sHow about cleaning up Vortex to allow easier selection of intellectional discourse and experimental attempts from the

RE: [Vo]:New and probably very important - the Reiter effect

2012-09-22 Thread Jones Beene
Actually, he includes the Hioki paper in his references on page 16. I doubt if a sealed reactor with 10-15 grams of material, most of it already oxidized, could show continuous thermal gain over a 100 hour run on chemical energy. Did you notice the low mass of KH? In fact, if it were

Re: [Vo]:Show me the beef

2012-09-22 Thread c_t
Yes, Puppy,Like Jed Rothwell in Vortex search shows 15574 matches or Jojo with 834 never showing any results for his "research" while soliciting donations on Vertex. Perhaps they became Rich raising worms or lizzards.Meow

Re: [Vo]:Show me the beef

2012-09-22 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
This sort of message  I would expect from american smokers of shit. Thank You for displaying that to the world at large. Guenter Von: Puppy Dog d...@inbox.lv An: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 22:26 Samstag, 22.September 2012 Betreff:

Re: [Vo]:Show me the beef

2012-09-22 Thread ny . min
Mental Abnormalities? ** Re: [Vo]:Show me the beef Guenter Wildgruber Sat, 22 Sep 2012 14:43:04 -0700 This sort of message I would expect from american smokers of shit. Thank You for displaying that to the world at large. Guenter

Re: [Vo]:Rossi: Neutrons? : COP200, Linearity

2012-09-22 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 8:23:24 AM First, the Neutrons were observed occasionally, and only at COP=200. There's another discussion of COP at : Steven N. Karels September 17th, 2012 at 8:34 AM

Re: [Vo]:Rossi: Neutrons?

2012-09-22 Thread Robert Lynn
I am less optimistic that neutron production is only occurring under special circumstances and not all the time - would seem to me to require more good luck than is likely (what was McKubre's line about conservation of miracles?) I believe low energy neutrons are relatively hard to detect -

Re: [Vo]:Rossi: Neutrons?

2012-09-22 Thread mixent
In reply to Robert Lynn's message of Sat, 22 Sep 2012 13:45:38 +0100: Hi, [snip] http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/09/rossi-on-the-safety-of-cop-6/ IOW at very high COP levels he actually had a few nuclear reactions. ;) ...so at lower COP levels his Hydrinos don't shrink far enough to result in a

[Vo]:Overunity LED?

2012-09-22 Thread Craig Haynie
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-03/09/230-percent-efficient-leds Craig

Re: [Vo]:Overunity LED?

2012-09-22 Thread Daniel Rocha
No, from the article: However, while MIT's diode puts out more than twice as much energy in photons as it's fed in electrons, it doesn't violate the conservation of energy because it appears to draw in heat energy from its surroundings instead. When it gets more than 100 percent

Re: [Vo]:Overunity LED?

2012-09-22 Thread Craig Haynie
Well, nothing is overunity, not even cold fusion, but there are a lot of places which could use cheap lighting and air conditioning. Craig On 09/22/2012 09:30 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: No, from the article: However, while MIT's diode puts out more than twice as much energy in photons as it's

Re: [Vo]:Overunity LED?

2012-09-22 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-03/09/230-percent-efficient-leds LOL! The Reiter Effect showed a similar effect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_coefficient as have other LENR products.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi: Neutrons? : COP200, Linearity

2012-09-22 Thread David Roberson
I saw that information on Rossi's journal. I am inclined to believe that he does not have anything resembling linear control otherwise he could raise the COP above 6 with little concern. Does anyone in vortex actually believe that the LENR activity goes up linearly with drive power? It would

Re: [Vo]:Rossi: Neutrons?

2012-09-22 Thread David Roberson
Would it be possible to detect that modest energy neutrons were being emitted by just monitoring the local gamma radiation from transmuted materials? Dave -Original Message- From: Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:12

Re: [Vo]:JCMNS Vols 6 to 9

2012-09-22 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 11:05:05 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:JCMNS Vols 6 to 9 JCMNS Volumes 6 to 9 published Goodness. I am behind. I forgot to add them to LENR-CANR.org. Should be *I*CMNS. Wiki says they changed ICCF to International Conference

Re: [Vo]:Overunity LED?

2012-09-22 Thread Harry Veeder
Ordinarily it takes energy to fall below ambient temperature, so it must stealing energy from the electrical input that would have been used for photon production. Unless it is violating the laws of thermodynamics, it must become less efficient at producing photons as it cools. harry On Sat,

Re: [Vo]:Rossi: Neutrons? : COP200, Linearity

2012-09-22 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 6:43:00 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi: Neutrons? : COP200, Linearity I saw that information on Rossi's journal. I am inclined to believe that he does not have anything resembling linear control otherwise he could raise

Re: [Vo]:Overunity LED?

2012-09-22 Thread David Roberson
I like this device. It has interesting possibilities. Actually, energy is being radiated into space by all warm collections of gas molecules in the form of infrared. You could place a tiny low power heater within one of these clouds and claim that the power being radiated as heat is many

Re: [Vo]:JCMNS Vols 6 to 9

2012-09-22 Thread David Roberson
(Should this be considered another miracle of cold fusion?) Dave -Original Message- From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:45 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:JCMNS Vols 6 to 9 From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Sent: Friday,

Re: [Vo]:Why is MM considered a disproff of Ether?

2012-09-22 Thread francis
Jouni, It is a neo Lorentzian ether that I posit not a classical stiff medium that ignores an extra dimensional intersection of ether with our plane. This posit also makes the speed of light and our system of metrics into a blind man's cane used because we are trapped in 3d

Re: [Vo]:Rossi: Neutrons? : COP200, Linearity

2012-09-22 Thread David Roberson
I have run many simulations of an ECAT type device where temperature is the controlling parameter and find that the only way to get a decent COP (2) is to use positive feedback. In this mode the device is thermally running away to generate effective gain and must be reversed just before total

[Vo]:New Madrid Earthquake - 200 years Later

2012-09-22 Thread ChemE Stewart
All, For those interested, I have posted an article with my comments on one of the most awesome energy displays ever in the US in 1811-1812. A truly unworldly event. New Madrid as Seen Through Dark Sunglasses. http://darkmattersalot.com PetaPetaPetaPeta Joules of Cold Fusion Energy? released

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-22 Thread Alan Fletcher
I've got to set me up a Sites Effect experiment. But it has to be portable (ie outside). What's the total power to bring it to hot status (8 hrs?) I see two options for power : 6V Lantern Battery A 12V Car Starter kit Normal mode seems to have a current limiter, boost mode bypasses it.

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-22 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com I propose either silicon or magnesium as suitable controls. Ummm Burning or molten magnesium metal reacts violently with water.

[Vo]:example of a bad prognostistication

2012-09-22 Thread Harry Veeder
http://www.astro.virginia.edu/class/oconnell/astr121/comte.html On the subject of stars, all investigations which are not ultimately reducible to simple visual observations are ... necessarily denied to us. While we can conceive of the possibility of determining their shapes, their sizes, and

Re: [Vo]:example of a bad prognostistication

2012-09-22 Thread Harry Veeder
Please ignore the example of bad spelling in the subject line. harry On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.astro.virginia.edu/class/oconnell/astr121/comte.html On the subject of stars, all investigations which are not ultimately reducible to

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-22 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Ummm Burning or molten magnesium metal reacts violently with water. Ha! That's right. There's also reason to think platinum would be a suitable control in an H2 gas or light water experiment. Eric

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-22 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Based on comments in this thread you should be prepared to run for considerably more than 8 hours. Give yourself at least a day and then you should be prepared to run for a while if you want to make sure you're observing anything interesting, so call it 48 hours. Again based on comments in the

RE: [Vo]:Rossi: Neutrons? : COP200, Linearity

2012-09-22 Thread Jones Beene
This is most interesting in light of the totality of past experiments in LENR which are believable going back twenty years. There seems to be excellent evidence for long-term COP of over one but less than two, often written off as measurement error; but far less reliability for experiments

Re: [Vo]:Rossi: Neutrons? : COP200, Linearity

2012-09-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: This is most interesting in light of the totality of past experiments in LENR which are “believable” going back twenty years. ** ** There seems to be excellent evidence for long-term COP of over one but less than two . . . The term COP has no

Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-22 Thread David Roberson
I would be concerned about the cost of platinum. Stainless steel might work since it is un reactive. I am using an old stainless spoon as my electrode attached to the positive supply terminal and it has been working for a number of hours without getting fouled too badly. This is allowing me

[Vo]:unsubscribe

2012-09-22 Thread Danny Ross Lunsford

Re: [Vo]:Rossi: Neutrons?

2012-09-22 Thread pagnucco
Didn't Celani measure an initial gamma burst in Rossi's 2001 demo? Robert Lynn wrote: I am less optimistic that neutron production is only occurring under special circumstances and not all the time - would seem to me to require more good luck than is likely (what was McKubre's line about