Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-03 Thread Alain Sepeda
This remind me the controversial concept of incommensurability of Thomas Kuhn, that I conforms practically. As many show them, and even more deeply that what Kuhn says, a paradigm is admitted nearly only when it is industrial ... the other case, similar, is when laymen can have access to so clear

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-03 Thread David Roberson
Garwin is a scientist and by training tends to be very cautious. The excuses that he used to doubt the excess power measurement of course are lame, but we should note that he included them. This is the type of behavior one might expect from someone who just witnessed a magic trick that he is

[Vo]:North American Palladium

2014-01-03 Thread Jones Beene
North American Palladium is one of two palladium producers in North America, and its stock has dropped below $1 share. It is currently unprofitable, but moving in the right direction - having sold its gold mines at top dollar before gold tanked. This article has a lot of good info on palladium

[Vo]:Interesting Recent Rossi Statement

2014-01-03 Thread David Roberson
Rossi made a statement on his Journal recently that seemed puzzling at the time. He mentioned that he was turning on the drive power for 1/4 of the time and allowing the device to drift in the self sustaining mode for the other 3/4. He further told us that he was working of having the ECAT

[Vo]:Predictions 2014

2014-01-03 Thread fznidarsic
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/02/isaac-asimov-2014_n_4530785.html What do you see? Frank Z

Re: [Vo]:North American Palladium

2014-01-03 Thread pagnucco
Jones, This sounds risky. What industries will benefit most if energy prices plummet? -- for whatever reason. The shipping companies seem like a good bet, but they have already shot up in the stock markets. What about transportation, battery, electric motor, rare earth metals, etc.? -- LP

[Vo]:E-cat world reports two companies connected with Rossi

2014-01-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
E-cat World has lately been reporting that two companies are connected with Rossi: Cherokee Investments, Industrial Heat LLC. Someone told me by e-mail that Rossi has an assistant name Fulvio Fabiani who is connected with these companies. I don't know anything about this. I am just now catching

Re: [Vo]:E-cat world reports two companies connected with Rossi

2014-01-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is the article that connects Rossi, Fabiani and someone named Darden in the Research Triangle in North Carolina: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/01/examining-the-rossi-industrial-heat-cherokee-connection/ Darden is evidently a billionaire with connections to Bain Capital.

Re: [Vo]:E-cat world reports two companies connected with Rossi

2014-01-03 Thread Frank Acland
I don't think TomDarden's a billionaire, Jed. It just so happens that there is a link to the World's Billionaires above his profile page on Forbes. He's currently the CEO of Cherokee Investment Partners in Raleigh, NC. He worked at Bain Capital in the 1980s. On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Jed

Re: [Vo]:Interesting Recent Rossi Statement

2014-01-03 Thread Axil Axil
I am beginning to suspect that Rossi may have figured out what his reaction is really doing. The core principle of the nanoplasmonic reaction involves the process of how the micro and nano particles come together into aggregations to form the nuclear active sites. These sites are the spaces

Re: [Vo]:E-cat world reports two companies connected with Rossi

2014-01-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Frank Acland ecatwo...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think TomDarden's a billionaire, Jed. I'll bet he is. He is the CEO of a private investment firm that raised $1.4 billion on 2006. The money must have made a profit by now. He is loaded, anyway. With connections everywhere. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:E-cat world reports two companies connected with Rossi

2014-01-03 Thread Axil Axil
It looks like China will lead the way in LENR. http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/01/stron ... rom-china/http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/01/strong-confirmation-of-cherokees-backing-of-the-e-cat-from-china/ I have been concerned that the billion dollar per year political slush fund funded by the

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-03 Thread Edmund Storms
Jed, while your descriptions might explain Garwin's behavior toward LENR. I think another explanation is more likely. Garwin and the other high level skeptics are not stupid and they are not ignorant. They know that CF has a potential to disrupt both the hot fusion program as well as the

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-03 Thread David Roberson
Hello Ed, Although your take on the subject might be the correct one, I find it difficult to imagine that anyone with integrity would act in that manner. My suspicion is that these guys actually believe exactly what they have stated. All of their training in physics makes LENR appear

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-03 Thread Edmund Storms
Hi Dave, I also would rather not believe people in such influential positions would be so cynical and self-serving to reject CF based only on their self interest. On the other hand, I have a hard time believing they could be so stupid to ignore the evidence. I'm sure their training in

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-03 Thread Alain Sepeda
The lesson of Benabou model is between both your visions. Groupthink : Collective Delusions In Organizations and Markets(Paper IOM 2012-07 by Roland Benabou)http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Groupthink%20IOM%202012_07_02%20BW.pdf in fact those guy are intelligent, they know they are

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-03 Thread Axil Axil
*Upton Beall Sinclair, Jr* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upton_Sinclair: *It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!* On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: The lesson of Benabou model is

[Vo]:U.S. Department of Energy Invites Submission of LENR Proposals

2014-01-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: https://news.newenergytimes.net/2014/01/03/u-s-department-of-energy-invites-submission-of-lenr-proposals/

[Vo]:[OT]Star Object Ejection Process

2014-01-03 Thread David Roberson
Recently we had a short discussion concerning objects being ejected from planetary systems such as ours. I was toying with the Planets program that I stumbled upon when testing Linux. That program is very interesting and it is easy to fiddle away hours of time just observing how planets

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Although your take on the subject might be the correct one, I find it difficult to imagine that anyone with integrity would act in that manner. The world is full of people without integrity. In academia, high mighty professors engage in all kinds of

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Department of Energy Invites Submission of LENR Proposals

2014-01-03 Thread Terry Blanton
*New Energy Times has just learned that, on Sept. 27, 2013, the Department of Energy’s Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy (ARPA-E) quietly announced a funding opportunity for low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR) research, among other areas.* Hey, that was my 59th birthday. How nice!

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Jed, while your descriptions might explain Garwin's behavior toward LENR. I think another explanation is more likely. Garwin and the other high level skeptics are not stupid and they are not ignorant. Yes. That leaves disingenuous, as I said. The

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-03 Thread David Roberson
I hope you are wrong in this case Jed. To intentionally delay the introduction of LENR products and the wonders that they will release is criminal! Many lives hang in the balance. We may harbor ill will towards Garwin and Lewis, but I find it difficult to believe that they are of that low

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Department of Energy Invites Submission of LENR Proposals

2014-01-03 Thread pagnucco
Here is the URL for the full document - ADVANCED RESEARCH PROJECTS AGENCY – ENERGY (ARPA-E) U.S. DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY OPEN INNOVATIVE DEVELOPMENT IN ENERGY-RELATED APPLIED SCIENCE (OPEN IDEAS) Announcement Type: Initial Announcement Funding Opportunity No. DE-FOA-0001002 CFDA Number 81.135

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-03 Thread James Bowery
Its hard to understand why these guys didn't just meet up individually and feel out their concerns. I know that at some point the normative pressures are so great that if anyone so much as whispers something in private that might be construed as defection in from the ranks, that it would

RE: [Vo]:[OT]Star Object Ejection Process

2014-01-03 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Hi Dave, I tend to concur with your suspicions that the effect is most likely real, this based on my own computations of simple planetary orbits. I have used both single precision and double precision in my simulations. Rounding off errors appeared to be negligible. As far as my own personal

RE: [Vo]:U.S. Department of Energy Invites Submission of LENR Proposals

2014-01-03 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Happby delayed B'Day Terry, Don't let your cat's mistake one of your peg legs for a scratching post. ;-) Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-03 Thread Axil Axil
Since Three Mile Island and bolstered by the other periodic nuclear based disasters, the nuclear industry (aka the cult of the neutron) has been increasingly embattled by the green technologies and a lack of political support. They hate the greens and the greens hate them. More broadly, the

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Department of Energy Invites Submission of LENR Proposals

2014-01-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
It is a little hard to find the actual reference. It says low-energy nuclear reactions on page 7, Figure 3, item 3.6. Here is the URL for the full document - ADVANCED RESEARCH PROJECTS AGENCY – ENERGY (ARPA-E) U.S. DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY OPEN INNOVATIVE DEVELOPMENT IN ENERGY-RELATED APPLIED

Re: [Vo]:[OT]Star Object Ejection Process

2014-01-03 Thread David Roberson
Steven, A few years back I also wrote a program that handled a central large star like object with another orbiting it. I had a plan to eventually include a small number of other objects that were to interact gravitationally, but never found the time to complete the project. I was curious

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Department of Energy Invites Submission of LENR Proposals

2014-01-03 Thread pagnucco
Jed, I think the phrase low-energy nuclear reactions must have been inspired by current claims. On p.5, under the PROGRAM OVERVIEW, it states - This announcement is purposely broad in scope to encourage the submission of the most innovative, out-of-the-box ideas in energy technology. Since

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-03 Thread Eric Walker
The safest course is to take Garwin and Lewis and the others at their word and to limit consideration to what was said and written. One can have one's suspicions about their genuine motives, but this is only speculation in the final analysis. Remember that Pons's lawyer sent a stiff letter to