[Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Readers, My blog muse is very silent these days; we have told almost all about the LENR problem while the great fine surprises of LENR solutions are coming fast but not so fast as we wish. Therefore it was my pleasure to publish this message from my friend Stoyan:

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Bob Higgins
Sargoytchev mentions the Demron technology for high energy gamma reduction. The Demron specification says that it reduces the 662 keV gamma from 137Cs by only 1% (not an attenuation factor of .01, an attenuation factor of 0.99; I.E. almost no attenuation) which would be expected. High energy

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Peter Gluck
It is about low energy gamma radiation, I think. Only experiment will show if this radiation is really present- (all the time ?) when the HotCat works as Stoyan says or not. Peter On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote: Sargoytchev mentions the Demron

RE: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Higgins The Demron specification says that it reduces the 662 keV gamma from 137Cs by only 1% (not an attenuation factor of .01, an attenuation factor of 0.99; I.E. almost no attenuation) which would be expected. Yes, this material is

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Edmund Storms
Bob and Jones, The LENR reaction is KNOWN to produce radiation. However, this radiation has too low an energy for most to get out of the device. The main radiation is photon, which is the only way LENR can dissipate the energy, and this is hidden in the apparatus. Proposing novel and

RE: [Vo]:Limits of Quantum Theory

2014-02-02 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Terry sez: Is there a size limit to QT? http://aeon.co/magazine/nature-and-cosmos/our-quantum-reality-problem/ Dr. Seuss got it right in Horton Hears a Who. BTW, we have plenty of excess snowflakes in Madison, the Midwest. We'd be happy to ship half of them to California right now.

RE: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Jones Beene
Ed, Sorry to completely disagree that proposing a novel way to explain the lack of gammas is unnecessary. Surely, you knew this response was coming. Au contraire, a new point of view is the very essence of a better understanding of LENR. That proper understanding must be novel, almost by

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Axil Axil
Reference: http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0306126v2.pdf Frequency up- and down-conversions in two-mode cavity quantum electrodynamics When light is packed into of nano-cavity, it becomes squeezed by the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. In this situation, the location of photons are localized

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Edmund Storms
Yes Jones, expected the response. However, you might consider that I probably know more about this subject than any one in this discussion group. So, considering what I propose might be worth your time. I'm not propping or protecting. I'm simply looking at what is happening and applying

[Vo]:Research Triangle Foundation to Make Announcement Monday about 'Centerpiece' Project.

2014-02-02 Thread H Veeder
Research Triangle Foundation to Make Announcement Monday about 'Centerpiece' Project. http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/02/research-triangle-park-to-make-announcement-monday-about-centerpiece-project/ Posted on February 2, 2014 by admin * 5 Comments I thought I'd put up a thread about something

Fwd: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Atlanta frozen again

2014-02-02 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: The snow had a hypnotic undulating motion which was freakin' drivers. They insisted on driving slow although there was no hazard. I made it outside the perimeter highway as traffic began to collapse. It was like I was

RE: [Vo]:A return to Brown's Gas / HHO ?

2014-02-02 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Brown's gas has been consistently in the 'fringe' field for a few decades now. There was a local guy who had a BG welding machine and I did see him do some pretty interesting things. There was one important point about Brown's gas that I have not seen mentioned yet in this thread. the two gases,

Re: [Vo]:A return to Brown's Gas / HHO ?

2014-02-02 Thread Axil Axil
There is a difference between combustion of hydrogen and oxygen as proposed by Santilli, and x-ray irradiation of water containing water clusters as developed by Joe Papp. That is apples and oranges I think. On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 1:21 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: Brown's

RE: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Jones Beene
Ed, There is no doubt that you know more details about the LENR field than anyone on this board, and probably anyone on the planet. In fact, I am often amazed at your recall for arcane details that go back 20+ years. Staggering in a way. But ... having said that - you have so much information to

Re: [Vo]:Research Triangle Foundation to Make Announcement Monday about 'Centerpiece' Project.

2014-02-02 Thread Terry Blanton
The attendee's list: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/calling-all-doers-and-dreamers-and-never-disbelievers-tickets-10452205829 gives no hint. AAMoF, it looks rather mundane. The strongest rumor appears to have something to do with NASCAR.

Re: [Vo]:Research Triangle Foundation to Make Announcement Monday about 'Centerpiece' Project.

2014-02-02 Thread Terry Blanton
The image on the laptop kinda resembles a racetrack. https://twitter.com/TheRTP/status/42967251827008/photo/1 Does Raleigh have a racetrack?

Re: [Vo]:Research Triangle Foundation to Make Announcement Monday about 'Centerpiece' Project.

2014-02-02 Thread H Veeder
To me it looks like some sand with some rocky terrain in the background. Harry On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: The image on the laptop kinda resembles a racetrack. https://twitter.com/TheRTP/status/42967251827008/photo/1 Does Raleigh have a

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote: I don't believe the HotCat has a super-shield for high energy gamma - there is no evidence for this at all; only imagination. I believe the HotCat only produces very low energy gammas that easily get thermalized in

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Anything can be explained if novel assumptions are made. I'm trying to explain without making assumptions that conflict with what is known. In the hydroton in an NiH system, I believe you want to derive deuterium

Re: [Vo]:Research Triangle Foundation to Make Announcement Monday about 'Centerpiece' Project.

2014-02-02 Thread Terry Blanton
They say they will stream the announcement: We'll be livestreaming our announcement Feb 3, 11:00 am. URL will be @ top of: http://t.co/vwFhPyqtx0. @Citiscope @TriangleRegion Here's an article on the RTP dream for a centerpiece.

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Terry Blanton
I thought that Rossi had confirmed gammas upon initiation of the reaction but that they were transient.

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Edmund Storms
On Feb 2, 2014, at 11:36 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Ed, There is no doubt that you know more details about the LENR field than anyone on this board, and probably anyone on the planet. In fact, I am often amazed at your recall for arcane details that go back 20+ years. Staggering in a way.

Re: [Vo]:Limits of Quantum Theory

2014-02-02 Thread AlanG
The comments at the bottom of the article detail an ongoing battle between two prominent mathematicians about QT. Joy Christian claims to have disproved Bell's theorem regarding quantum entanglement, while Richard D. Gill and others in his camp claim a basic flaw in Christian's math. It's a

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: 1) The operative reaction does not produce gammas ab initio, nor even bremsstrahlung (and therefore cannot be related to a known nuclear reaction) This sounds reasonable, although I would not make into a

Re: [Vo]:Research Triangle Foundation to Make Announcement Monday about 'Centerpiece' Project.

2014-02-02 Thread H Veeder
Yeah I guess Geolas is going to unveil the master plan for his convergence centre Harry On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: They say they will stream the announcement: We'll be livestreaming our announcement Feb 3, 11:00 am. URL will be @ top of:

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
Ed, If you escaped from a black hole you wouldn't have much energy left either...:) On Sunday, February 2, 2014, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: On Feb 2, 2014, at 11:36 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Ed, There is no doubt that you know more details about the LENR field than anyone

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Edmund Storms
Chem, Why propose something that cannot be tested and is not known to exist in a chemical structure? Ed Storms On Feb 2, 2014, at 12:41 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote: Ed, If you escaped from a black hole you wouldn't have much energy left either...:) On Sunday, February 2, 2014, Edmund

RE: [Vo]:A return to Brown's Gas / HHO ?

2014-02-02 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Another 'requirement' of a BG welder (and perhaps other BG-based devices) just occurred to me. You not only had to keep the O and H separated, but you had to keep them isolated from the atmosphere. It was critical that they be keep in their original 2:1 stoichiometric ratio without mixing with

RE: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Jones Beene
From: Eric Walker How is dividing a 5 MeV quantum among a number of recipients a violation of CoE? You have heard the phrase “justice delayed is justice denied”? OK how about this: Energy release delayed is energy balance denied.

Re: [Vo]:Research Triangle Foundation to Make Announcement Monday about 'Centerpiece' Project.

2014-02-02 Thread Terry Blanton
I asked them outright. Of course they won't say. Terry Blanton posted toThe Research Triangle Park about a minute ago Something to do with Industrial Heat and the Cherokee Investment group?

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread H Veeder
On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* Eric Walker How is dividing a 5 MeV quantum among a number of recipients a violation of CoE? You have heard the phrase justice delayed is justice denied? OK how about this: Energy release delayed is

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Edmund Storms
Jones, I expect ypu are familiar with the process that occurs in a decay chain. For example, uranium loses energy in small steps, each of which takes time. In this case, the energy is released in a series of radioactive elements on the way to the final stable condition when lead is

[Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
Because currently 95% of the energy in the universe is missing. I am going with the odds. Actually I have supplied plenty of testable theories on my blog, like that weakly ionizing plasma channel within a waterspout, many of which appear to defy gravity, is actually a string of vacuum with

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Axil Axil
http://shutdownrossi.com/e-cat-science/110-quotes-by-rossi-about-gamma-rays-and-transmutations/ 110+ Quotes by Rossi about Gamma Rays and Transmutations On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Jones, I expect ypu are familiar with the process that occurs in

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Axil Axil
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/library/2004/2004Focardi-EvidenceOfElectromagneticRadiation.pdf *Evidence of electromagnetic radiation from Ni-H Systems* On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

[Vo]:#1 plastic, Beene, and cold fusion

2014-02-02 Thread fznidarsic
I am still working at plastic bottle detection. I have found that #1 soda bottle plastic has a strong resonance at tera hertz frequencies. J. Beene stated that this was useful. Another nice property is that #1 plastic is transparent to optical light. #1 plastic is not good at letting in

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Edmund Storms
Use of the term X-ray and gamma ray is confusing. X-rays come from changes in electron energy states, hence have relatively low energy. Gamma rays come from changes in nuclear energy levels, hence have relatively high energy. They are both photons with overlapping energy. LENR produces

RE: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Jones Beene
From: Eric Walker How is dividing a 5 MeV quantum among a number of recipients a violation of CoE? You have heard the phrase “justice delayed is justice denied”? OK how about this: Energy release delayed is energy balance denied. Eric, Perhaps that is a bit too glib. To

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Axil Axil
When cold fusion is thermalize radiation, EUV does not exceed 10mm is wave length. When cold fusion is not thermalizing radiation gamma rays about 100 KeV are experimentally seen. On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
Ed, I agree with your photon emissions, you will also see that cosmic strings of vacuum are supposed to emit photons. http://arxiv.org/abs/1012.1998 Which is why I believe your hydrogen is forming strings of decaying vacuum energy within the cracks. This video is too funny, these guys are

RE: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Jones Beene
Correction … if the HotCat releases undetectable energy when in operation, with thermal release in the range of 10 kW, and the limit of detection at the low end is about 2 keV… That should be “undetectable radiation” of course.

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Axil Axil
correction 10mm should read 10 nanometers. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/X-ray_applications.svg/800px-X-ray_applications.svg.png On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: When cold fusion is thermalize radiation, EUV does not exceed 10mm is

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: - p+(N)Ni → (N+1)Ni + Q It's been a while since I've looked at the actual reactions, but on its face this particular reaction is technically infeasible, since we're saying that we're starting with nickel and adding a proton and then getting nickel again. The actual reactions

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Axil Axil
*Fleischmann Memorial Project, **QuantumHeat.org* http://quantumheat.org/ - *MFMP Report Detection of Unusual Gamma Rays*http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/11/mfmp-report-detection-of-unusual-gamma-rays/- There is a new blog post on the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project's quantumheat.org

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Edmund Storms
On Feb 2, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Jones Beene wrote: From: Eric Walker How is dividing a 5 MeV quantum among a number of recipients a violation of CoE? You have heard the phrase “justice delayed is justice denied”? OK how about this: Energy release delayed is energy balance denied. Eric,

Re: [Vo]:Understanding B LP, Chapter 5 MIT on Water

2014-02-02 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.com Sent: Saturday, February 1, 2014 6:38:08 PM I confess some surprise at the complexity of phenomena associated with the ubiquitous water molecule, and Mills’ discovery of methods for extracting energy from it. There are reports of others who somehow

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Axil Axil
Sometimes, gamma rays are produced by a LENR system. This is why gamma thermalization does not happen. Let us make things really simple. So let us make and analogy between radiation frequency mixing in an optical cavity and water mixing of hot and cold water in a mixing bowl. If you pour hot

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: http://shutdownrossi.com/e-cat-science/110-quotes-by-rossi-about-gamma-rays-and-transmutations/ 110+ Quotes by Rossi about Gamma Rays and Transmutations Thank you, Axil, for keeping the discussion grounded in what has

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: To be a little more focused on the experimental evidence, if the HotCat releases undetectable energy when in operation, with thermal release in the range of 10 kW, and the limit of detection at the low end is about 2 keV,

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Axil Axil
Regarding: *then the 5 MeV quanta would require 2500 photons to be released simultaneously. Think about the absurdity of that.* These photons are stored from some many picoseconds while the optical cavity remains in service. During this time, it is mixed with the IR photons and EUV photons are

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
These discussions about suppressing gamma rays and neutrons have been around since the beginning of cold fusion. Listening to theorists I imagine God struggling to find a way to stop those neutrons, piling on mechanism after mechanism, but still a few neutrons leak out of the lattice. I don't

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: These discussions about suppressing gamma rays and neutrons have been around since the beginning of cold fusion. It is true that some people in this thread have been arguing about the suppression of MeV-range gammas.

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Axil Axil
Radioisotopes are not produced in LENR when the nucleus is suppressed (coulomb barrio screened) by magnetic fields, because these photons do not excite the nuclus like neutrons do. They carry no angular momentum or kinetic energy to excite the nucleus. On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Eric

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread James Bowery
Axil, you speak with the authority of one who knows -- perhaps even more so than ChemE. Does your authoritative knowledge shed light on an economical demonstration of that knowledge? On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Radioisotopes are not produced in LENR

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Axil Axil
I speak with the authority of repetition. I have gone over this stuff fifty times and no one has countered me except Ed Storms to my great joy. Theory is not made of sunshine and roses. Like steel, it is tempered by repeated blows and forged in fire, between the hammer and the anvil. In each

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread Axil Axil
*White light is a combination of all colors. In like manner, EUV is a combination of gamma rays and infrared rays all mixed together. It can't be simpler.* On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Jed Rothwell

Re: [Vo]:a note from Dr. Stoyan Sargoytchev

2014-02-02 Thread James Bowery
Theory is not made of repetition and citation but of reflection and experimental testing. One of the nice things about coming up with a novel theory is it allows you to come up with novel experiments and if appropriately tempered by economic those experiments may be quite practical. What is your