(Dave, my granddad is Bob, I'm Robert :) ), I would be over the moon if we
had incontrovertible evidence of COP, but with a strong grounding in and
respect for the scientific method you cannot and should not ever give bold
assertions a free ride without vigorous critical review the skeptics of the
Just some food for Collective thought. as to why no dead grad students.
Perfect energy-feeding into strongly coupled systems and interferometric
control of polariton absorption
http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nphys3106.html
Abstract
The ability to drive a system
Well I can argue that there is no excess heat - The thermography is proven
to be wrong (inconel resistance wires melt at 1300-1350°C 1412°C surface
reactor temp claimed, and wires would have to be much hotter than reactor
surface). If there is little to no conductive contact between non-melting
If the LENR reaction suffers from thermal runaway then the best means for
cooling is a coolant fluid slightly below the target temperature. Eg
1180°C coolant and 1200°C running temp so raising temp to 1240°C would then
triple cooling rate, so 'clamping' the temperature. A lithium heat pipe
would
the emissivity was used, it was not the blackbody equation but is not that
the greybody equation (correct term?) ?
anyway what have to be the sensitivity error to explain the apparent COP ?
naively I assume that the emissivity during the calibration have to be much
much higher than assumed and
I have a strong suspicion that the path of maximum heat transfer needs to be
via radiation in order for the device to be stable. This is due to the forth
order with temperature being able to win against a lower order power generation
process.
Dave
-Original Message-
From:
Sorry Robert, I will make every attempt to use your correct name in the future.
Thanks for clarifying your reasons for exhibiting the strong critical position
against the report.
I admit that I harbor questions about the accuracy of the temperature
measurements for many of the reasons that
All fair points of view Dave. Though with regard to 3 phase, at 900W input
there is obviously no need, adds a lot of mechanical complexity (3 heater
wires rather than 1) and a little more electrical complexity and would
still get impulsive waveform using rectified DC + half H bridge to provide
an
http://www.3news.co.nz/world/scientist-claims-to-have-mastered-cold-fusion-2014101510
Sadly, terribly terribly ignorant.
Can they say hell on tv in Australia?
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:37 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
wrote:
http://www.3news.co.nz/world/scientist-claims-to-have-mastered-cold-fusion-2014101510
Sadly, terribly terribly ignorant.
Oh sorry, new zealand tv.
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:38 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
wrote:
Can they say hell on tv in Australia?
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 2:37 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
wrote:
Did anyone pursue a share placement with Hydro Fusion? I had been thinking
about it but didn't sign the NDA that they sent me.
Amusingly, HydroFusion has no names on its website so that's obviously a
rather huge flag.
The reason Rossi is using a 3 phases power supply might be the rotating
field created by a 3 phases AC power supply.
_
From: Robert Lynn [mailto:robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: jeudi 16 octobre 2014 11:09
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor
New Zealand is a different country from Australia.
Just saying.
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
wrote:
http://www.3news.co.nz/world/scientist-claims-to-have-mastered-cold-fusion-2014101510
Sadly, terribly terribly ignorant.
--
Patrick
yeah, i sent out that correction... Just sayin'
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 4:02 AM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com
wrote:
New Zealand is a different country from Australia.
Just saying.
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
wrote:
Mark--
The size of the coherent system is the key. Many bodies share the distribution
of energy and total coherent system energy changes. Two body systems like that
heretofore considered in hot fusion physics (and extended to all solid state
physics by many) are not the answer to the cold
On Gibb's Site -- NO! Not Gibbsite !!!
http://www.networkworld.com/article/2834452/data-center/lockheed-martins-cfr-a-hot-fusion-breakthrough-for-power-generation.html
he notes that the disposal problem of 10's of thousands of dead
reactors is non-trivial.
http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/jcp/136/3/10.1063/1.3678015
Quote:
Within the optical cavity, the photons acquire an effective mass as
determined by the cut-off frequency of the cavity that can be 6–7 orders of
magnitude less than mass of an electron. *Depending upon the density, this
I am pretty sure these endcaps are just mechanical supports for the hot
tube in the middle. They are large alumina outer rings that have been
filled with a cast-able refractory insulation such as a Vitcast 1200 INS or
Vitcast 1400 INS-H. They insulate the mounting apparatus from the hot
Bob,
Just a thought. I'm not an expert of magnetic confinement of plasma. But,
the encaps might contain a proper wires configuration to close the
rotating magnetic field formed by the 3 phases current.
Arnaud
_
From: Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com]
Sent: jeudi
I believe the ends are completely sealed with a compound like the Vitcast
1400 INS-H. I also think the space between the inner and radiating tube is
probably filled with this same compound. You don't want air flowing in
there in case there are cracks in the alumina adhesive put over the heater
The three phase connection is not too surprising if we assume that many more of
these units are to be mounted in a complete system. It would be extra work for
Rossi to construct a new device using only one phase for the scientists to
measure. I give him a pass on this point.
In the past I
From: Robert Lynn
Well I can argue that there is no excess heat - The
thermography is proven to be wrong (inconel resistance wires melt at
1300-1350°C 1412°C surface reactor temp claimed, and wires would have to
be much hotter than reactor surface).
Robert,
Jones, what you write here is pure speculation. I share some concerns about
the temperature measurements and how they might influence the output power, but
there is certainly no serious evidence that Rossi was able to impact the
testing in a serious manner.
Why do you continue to suggest a
Dear David,
It might be informative if your model could be modified to check the heat
production of the nickel particles and their temperature and the flow of
that heat from the central channel that encloses the nickel particles to
the outside edge of the reactor some centimeters away so that
Dave, that was my first thought too, but in going over the construction of
the heater coils, it turned out to be a pain to deal with the heater wire
cross-overs. You would not do this just because you were planning to
connect the array to a 3-phase supply. You could simply have an array of
3N,
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v514/n7522/full/nature13832.html
Giant Rydberg excitons in the copper oxide Cu2O
Nature 514, 343–347 (16 October 2014) doi:10.1038/nature13832Received 05
March 2014 Accepted 02 September 2014 Published online 15 October 2014
A highly excited atom having an
Bob. Amaud, etal--
I had the same thought as Amaud. The wiring arrangement may be deigned to
create a magnetic field inside the reactor to align magnetic moments of the
various entities and facilitate resonant interactions at varying probabilities
to control the rate of reaction.
Bob Cook
[image: dereefer]
https://sdsimonson.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/dereefer.gif
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
Bob. Amaud, etal--
I had the same thought as Amaud. The wiring arrangement may be deigned to
create a magnetic field inside the reactor
Seems to me that at the temperatures we are talking about (1000C) that
bulk magnetic effects are probably out of the question. A plasma of Li
would be a conductor and a conductor could be conveyed in a moving magnetic
field. I don't think any motion will occur because of any bulk magnetic
A thought occurred to me this morning concerning the temperature measurements
and output power calculations from the latest HotCat testing. What if the same
general type of effect is working in the CAT test that is revealed by the Earth
and the greenhouse gas process?
We assume that the Earth
Sunspots are examples of unusually cool regions persisting in hotter
surroundings, so it is not beyond all experience to say that the
temperature of the wire inside the reactor remains below its melting
temperature.
Harry
Agree
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:03 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Sunspots are examples of unusually cool regions persisting in hotter
surroundings, so it is not beyond all experience to say that the
temperature of the wire inside the reactor remains below its melting
temperature.
Just a visual
http://www.descaler.si/assets/images/coil_ani.gif
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com
wrote:
Seems to me that at the temperatures we are talking about (1000C) that
bulk magnetic effects are probably out of the question. A plasma of Li
would
I wish my model would handle that question, but it is quite limited. Think of
it as being able to estimate overall trends instead of minute details.
Stable operation of the HotCat appears to be due to the geometry of the device.
The external area and how it is treated with the rings, etc.
From: David Roberson
Jones, what you write here is pure speculation.
Dave - I made it clear that this was my opinion. Can I not express my opinion?
In order to fill in the blanks, to make a complete scenario – that does require
speculation.
But it is fact, ABSOLUTE FACT - that the
Bob, there may be a need for the type of behavior that you are describing, but
I am looking for the simplest explanation. I plead ignorant to your
description of an issue with the wires crossing over in some manner. In my
imagination, I can see all three wires spiriling around in parallel
BTW Dave,
No matter how strongly you believe in the phenomenon of LENR, and I’m firmly in
that camp – bad actors should be weeded out. Rossi is a bad actor here, even if
he is only trying to protect his trade secret. We would all be better off if
this report never surfaced.
John Stuart
The tread [Vo]:coherent perfect absorption explains how a polariton
condensate can be sustained by intense pumping and huge densities of
polaritons. The positive feedback of nuclear energy through superabsorbtion
takes polariton densities to very high densities and thus high temperatures
as that
Jones-please continue to speculate about new thoughts as that is our best
method of getting to the truth. I get a bit concerned when I hear you speak
of scams. You apparently have drawn that conclusion at this point due to the
isotope measurements and that is certainly strange. But, have
Dave, I like the idea of a triply wound helix, but I will have to think
about whether it would provide the same kind of conveyor moving field - it
may. It would solve the cross-over issues of the coils. It is the
non-axial components of the field that would seem to be at play in both
cases -
Hi all
If you refuse to look through the telescope then you have failed the
Galileo test; you have stopped being a scientist and practising a religion.
A little classical style play from 20,000 years ago.
Prometheus (An inventor and log bridge builder) I have invented fire!
Stephan Pomp, (A
Hi all,
again I try to prepare arguments for deniers.
Precision is not my problem...
The problem with the e-cat test, as McKubre said is tha the calibration was
not at 1250C/1400C but at 450C
now if you are sincerely skeptic, and not totally conspiracy theorist, you
have to admit that the
dear Ian,
Nice, why you do not send it to my blog Ego Out - I publish guest editorials
with pleasure.and I like the idea.
Peter
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Ian Walker walker...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all
If you refuse to look through the telescope then you have failed the
Galileo test; you
From: David Roberson
* Jones-please continue to speculate about new thoughts as that is our
best method of getting to the truth. I get a bit concerned when I hear you
speak of scams.
Please suggest a better word to describe the actions of an inventor – if
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
On Gibb's Site -- NO! Not Gibbsite !!!
http://www.networkworld.com/article/2834452/data-center/lockheed-martins-cfr-a-hot-fusion-breakthrough-for-power-generation.html
he notes that the disposal problem of 10's of thousands
Dear Readers,
Polarization regarding the Rossi Report is almost completed.
The open problem remain open. Less events take place
I published anyway:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/10/lenr-confront-journal-october-16-2014.html
In the final part I am asking for your help.
Peter
--
Dr.
Jones:
I thought you were a lawyer, what you discuss isn’t fraud.So for
example, let’s say Rossi knew that by setting up the constraints associated
with testing the ash, (1% from stuff that fell out), everyone would be
misled as to what was actually happening. That’s more appropriately
From: Randy Wuller
So for example, let’s say Rossi knew that by setting up the
constraints associated with testing the ash, (1% from stuff that fell out),
everyone would be misled as to what was actually happening. That’s more
appropriately described as
So why then does Rossi use a 3phases electrical power source? For such kind
of power this not needed. 1000W uses less than 5A.
So my guess is that Rossi uses the Rotating magnetic field in its Ecat
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotating_magnetic_field ). In this schema, the
end caps could be a
I think we are describing pretty much the same thing. Only I don't believe
there is anything but refractory castable insulation in the large diameter
support cylinders at the end of the convection tube. I think the heater
coils are axial and the 3-phase drive produces a linear conveyer, which
Bob,
I like your idea on the mixing plasma with the rotating field of a 3phases
AC power supply. The heat is more homogeneous spread inside the reactor and
create a flux. Moreover it may have an action on the reaction occurring in
the eCat.
Arnaud
_
From: Bob Higgins
The next question is a 3phases AC supply needed to reproduce the eCat
effect? The cold eCat don't use a 3phases power supply but Rossi could have
used magnet inside the cold eCat (Samarium cobalt magnet).
_
From: Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com]
Sent: jeudi 16 octobre
Jones:
If it isn’t a crime it could still be the subject of a civil action, but if
neither apply, what is it? Maybe there is some moral line crossed but I
suggest the word scam is not the right one in that case.
Ransom
_
From: Jones Beene
I don't think there was anything this fancy in Rossi's original eCats. He
had an internal cartridge heater which would have had little magnetic field
escaping and it was single phase. He also had an auxiliary heater wrapped
around the outside that would have had more magnetic field and it was
Axil, David etal--
I would have guessed that a vapor of Li metal (I am not sure a plasma would
occur) may be a fairly good heat transfer agent, much like He works as a
cooling fluid. I would be surprised if there were a 200 degree delta T between
the edge of the reactor and its center.
What happens inside the eCat isnt known. A magnetic field can be required
(And most probably it is the case). For the cold eCat, Rossi may have used a
magnet for the sake of simplicity. The wiggly filament let me think of a 2
magnetic fields that can occur inside the eCat: One global field made
woh well said.
now he accuse Ugg of having beaten his wife and hidden his pile of dry wood
from the locals... which prove fire does not exist...
note that Pomp state that denying hand-fire and ugg is not the same...
but ugg making fire with hand is extraordinary...
because hand-fire is forbidden
one things to notice on triphase speculation
previous e-cat where mono phase.
triphase is easier to manage in industrial resort.
beside rotating field as in an engine, triphase allows to make an
absolutely constant power (the sum of instantaneous power of 3 phase is
constant)... however the
One thing we can be pretty sure of is that any Ni in this reactor at
1300-1400C will have no nano-features. The nano-scale portions melt at
about half the temperature of the bulk material. So what would happen is
that if there was Ni with nano-scale features, these features would melt
before the
Can't You, Blaze?
Hard to consider that offensive - part of every day life:)
Not very creative rather an indication of a small vocabulary,
but offensive no not at all.
If you add perception then we have another story.
Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros
www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com
Bob, how would we explain the appearance of the ash material that was extracted
from the tube? According to the testers the device can operate at higher
powers than they experienced which would certainly lead to complete melting of
the nickel. What are the chances that some of the other
Doesn't look good for Rossi, but I am not sure I understand Pomp's point.
Is Pomp saying Rossi is
rewriting history to make it look
Ni62 was present in the ash of his earlier
EC
at?
http://stephanpomp.blogspot.se/2014/10/mr-rossi-i-admire-you.html
Harry
My plot's on Mark Gibbs of course (because he commisioned last years).
I like this one in Japanese --- by Toshiro Sengaku
http://amateur-lenr.blogspot.jp/2014/10/e-cat_13.html
From: H Veeder
Doesn't look good for Rossi, but I am not sure I understand Pomp's point.
Is Pomp saying Rossi is rewriting history to make it look like Ni62 was
present in the ash of his earlier EC at?
http://stephanpomp.blogspot.se/2014/10/mr-rossi-i-admire-you.html
Harry
No,
So Rossi's quasi-scam is to jerk around a bunch of scientists with phony
reactors so as to throw off his competitors?
harry
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
From: Randy Wuller
So for example, let’s say Rossi knew that
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
*From:* H Veeder
Doesn't look good for Rossi, but I am not sure I understand Pomp's point.
Is Pomp saying Rossi is rewriting history to make it look like Ni62 was
present in the ash of his earlier EC at?
The Courage to Create by Rollo May
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auOW5tNFjZg
Psychoanalyst Rollo May~We Lack Mystery!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw0SCmoj9tc
Harry
Brené Brown - Embracing Vulnerability
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO6n9HmG0qM
Harry
sorry the link to
_
Psychoanalyst Rollo May~We Lack Mystery!_ should be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi9NAzMJbds
Harry
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:11 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
The Courage to Create by Rollo May
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auOW5tNFjZg
Dave--
I thought it was reported that Rossi cut the end of the reactor with a diamond
saw. There would have been no plugged charging hole to contend with.
I do not think the temperature in the reactor was high enough to melt the Ni or
Ni alloy nano particles. As I suggested the energy of
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
To see how truly powerful TPC is, you have to watch this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_President's_Analyst
ThePhoneCompany
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbbpjd52atwfeature=youtu.bet=5m59s
Maybe this inspired the
The source of the energy is irrelevant to the existence of excess energy.
The ECAT shouldn't fall based on incorrect and ultimately irrelevant
beliefs of why it functions.
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 2:43 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Jones Beene
This is sort of a microcosm of 89' all of again in terms of skepticism. The
excess heat is almost undoubtedly real, but let's make it about the
integrity of nuclear product measurements. Pomp is doing the same red
herring shit that Hueizenga, Close, Parker, etc. engaged in.
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014
Why would anyone rational care what what the pseudo-skeptics have to say
anymore?
They used to be relevant but they aren't anymore. Too much is going on now
for them to be able to impede progress much.
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:22 PM, Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com wrote:
This is sort of a
Dave, for some reason when you start a new thread your message appears in
my spam folder.
I am not sure what you are asking, but the Earth supposedly generates some
heat too. I am not sure how much of this heat contributes to the global
temperature.
Harry
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:00 PM,
Dave, for some reason when you start a new thread your message appears in
my spam folder.
I am not sure what you are asking, but the Earth supposedly generates some
heat too. I am not sure how much of this heat contributes to the global
temperature.
Harry
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:00 PM, David
Thanks for the heads up Harry. I wonder if others on the list are seeing my
new topics being sent to spam.
The question that I am asking is whether or not there are clues to the behavior
of the temperature and power output correlation from the latest HotCat tests
revealed by greenhouse gas
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 8:58 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not sure what you are asking, but the Earth supposedly generates some
heat too.
The earth does kind of have the composition of a large, spherical E-Cat.
And there is a magnetic field that exists due in part to the
Bob,
If we assume that a high temperature structure is surrounding and immediately
adjacent to the fuel chamber the materials within that chamber should be as a
minimum the structure temperature unless heat is flowing into the fuel chamber.
I suppose that the fuel could be cooler provided
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