Re: [Vo]:Why doesn't Rossi makes a self feeding Hot Cat and ends the controversy.

2014-10-18 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: In another sense, it would be no more overunity than a fission reactor, since the energy would be coming from the conversion of mass via nuclear reactions. The obvious objection to the above is that the release of energy always involves a mass deficit. The idea was that cold fusion

Re: [Vo]:To Arms

2014-10-18 Thread Ruby
James, it's just so tiring. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uai7M4RpoLU Let them continue to hallucinate; their typing is the only thing keeping the economy going while a new infrastructure is being built right under their noses! On 10/17/14, 3:37 PM, James Bowery wrote: /. just posted a

Re: [Vo]:To Arms

2014-10-18 Thread James Bowery
As am I, Ruby. This instance was a little different as I posted the first comment to the article so it was in a position to really drive some of the pseudo-skeptics over the edge and it looks like it succeeded with Bruce Perens in a significant way. On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 1:25 AM, Ruby

Re: [Vo]:$10,000 bet against cold fusion on /.

2014-10-18 Thread James Bowery
Of course not. When suckers make bets like this with me I generally at least demand treasury rates but Bruce was so spontaneous I didn't want to spoil it. On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:41 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Inflation adjusted? 2014-10-17 23:03 GMT-03:00 James Bowery

Re: [Vo]:$10,000 bet against cold fusion on /.

2014-10-18 Thread Kevin O'Malley
I have been looking for just such a bet for a long time. I put my mouth where my money is at intrade: http://bb.intrade.com/intradeForum/posts/list/15/2239.page At first the controversy indicated 10:1 or 20:1 odds but no one would bite until I started buying at 3:1 odds. When intrade went bust,

Re: [Vo]:Why doesn't Rossi makes a self feeding Hot Cat and ends the controversy.

2014-10-18 Thread Robert Lynn
There are at least 5-10 different kinds of old and new stirling engines available with 30-40% efficiency using 7-800°C input temperatures. They range from 100W-30kW in capacity. So no problem doing a self-driven system with LENR COP of 3.2 Qenergy probably easiest to get a hold of (around 33%,

RE: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-18 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
Bob, How do you know that the tube was first coated with enriched 62Ni as you claim here below? The observers could notice the presence of Ni on the inside wall by just looking inside the eCat before the dummy run. Arnaud _ For all we know, the inside of the reaction tube was

Re: [Vo]:Why doesn't Rossi makes a self feeding Hot Cat and ends the controversy.

2014-10-18 Thread John Berry
Yes, but then you need to convert the physical energy into electrical which will cause some extra loss. On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: There are at least 5-10 different kinds of old and new stirling engines available with 30-40% efficiency

Re: [Vo]:To Arms

2014-10-18 Thread H Veeder
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 2:25 AM, Ruby r...@hush.com wrote: James, it's just so tiring. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uai7M4RpoLU Let them continue to hallucinate; their typing is the only thing keeping the economy going while a new infrastructure is being built right under their noses!

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Cook
Eric-- I found the following item which may or may represent fact: https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091129063508AAEROpC A copy of this link follows: The deuteron has a binding energy of 2.2245 +/- 0.0002 MeV and has no stable excited states. It has an angular momentum of

[Vo]:new paper- help MFMP, please!

2014-10-18 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Friends, I have just published this: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/10/victory-or-defeat-all-combinations.html It is intended for a weekend lecture, a bit relaxed after so much Rossi Report confrontationalism, therefore it has a dosis of cultural ballast. However decisively more

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Cook
Eric-- One additional comment on the D excited state question. Suppose in stead of one D you realize a pair of D's with their spin vectors pointing in opposite directions in a coherent system like one may have in the middle of a body centered cubic (BCC) cell of a Pd metal lattice or a Ni

Re: [Vo]:Greenhouse HotCat

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Cook
Harry etal-- With all the discussion of the accuracy of the camera heat determination, why is there not a reference to the thermocouple that was used in the test to monitor the internal temperature. It should have been a good check and in effect calibration of the camera at the higher

RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Jones Beene
Bob, I have cherry-picked three major “spin facts” from this compendium which indicate that if one wants to apply a nano-magnetism or spin-coupling modality to LENR, it is highly preferable to use deuterium, as opposed to hydrogen. That may be why Mizuno chose the deuterium-nickel combination. All

RE: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-18 Thread Jones Beene
Arnaud, He is Robert, not Bob and he never claimed to know but he is correct that the overwhelming probability is that pure Ni62 was added into the test sample in some way. Rossi may not have done it, but he had the opportunity and the motive, and the fact is clear: that the sample was

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Cook
Jones-- Was there any indication that the Mizuno experiments used quadrupole electric or magnetic inputs? I was not aware of this, if it happened. Also keep in mind that D is a Bose particle (as is 4HE) and can form a BEC or a duplex BEC with two different Bose particles. This may be a

Re: [Vo]:new paper- help MFMP, please!

2014-10-18 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com MFMP Plans E-Cat Replication Attempt Starting in 6 Days, Design Posted http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/10/17/mfmp-plan-e-cat-replication-attempt-starting-in-6-days-post-design/

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Higgins
The reaction tube was only a 4mm diameter hole and as much a 28 cm deep. In addition, there was the plug for this end in the center of which the thermocouple was glued. The thermocouple must be present as part of the CCI/MicroFusion 3-phase control system. So, even while it was not clear from

RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Bob Cook Was there any indication that the Mizuno experiments used quadrupole electric or magnetic inputs? I was not aware of this, if it happened. This is an interesting point, and the Mizuno experiment may not have been optimized. Hopefully the next

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: Unfortunately I don't have any other details and don't know of a particular experiment to refer to. Here is the quote from a textbook I recently finished reading: ... It was late last night, and the paragraph I found and quoted pertained to deuterium, not 4He, which you were asking

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Higgins
One of the things I noted about the new hotCat is that it seemed to not be affected by the air that would have been present after the powder was loaded. There was no means to pull a vacuum to clean out the air. In thinking about the use and effects of the LiAlH4, it occurred to me that this

Re: [Vo]:new paper- help MFMP, please!

2014-10-18 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Alan, You will be surprised when you will see what they want to do. They are skilled smart and seem to be adept in research strategy and system thinking. Peter On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: *From: *Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com MFMP Plans E-Cat

RE: [Vo]:new paper- help MFMP, please!

2014-10-18 Thread Jones Beene
Alan Fletcher wrote: * * What they could usefully do is construct a new dummy as close to Rossi's design as possible, and power it not only by the spiral resistors used by Rossi, but also by resistors strung through the center, to see what electrical power is needed replicate the

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: Once the Li is a thin alloy film on the Ni particle surfaces which are catalyzed to produce a LENR reaction, the Li may then be a participant in the LENR in condensed matter form as opposed to being a participant in

RE: [Vo]:new paper- help MFMP, please!

2014-10-18 Thread Jones Beene
The most interesting detail, which will not be resolved for several days, is whether the “dummy” reactor was secretly loaded with active material – and delivered that way. In which case, it would have shown gain in a calibration run (which was not performed). Or … whether the assumptions about

Re: [Vo]:new paper- help MFMP, please!

2014-10-18 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: (And I can't resist noting that Levi et al should have done this). Yes. Even if you you're worried about running the E-Cat without fuel at high temperatures, a resistance heater running at the same power should be fine. That

Re: [Vo]:new paper- help MFMP, please!

2014-10-18 Thread David Roberson
This is an excellent idea and I assume that the MFMP guys will perform the experiment. Their results will be quite revealing. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Oct 18, 2014 11:33 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:new

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Cook
Jones- I do not know of data on high temperature BEC's of particles of high mass. Y. Kims theory for the reaction of Bose particles, including duplex compinations of different Bose particles, may be of some importance. I have not studied his theory in depth, but the fact that he seems to

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Cook
Bob-- I assumed that Rossi included a getter for O. However you may be correct about the use of the alumina substance to act as a getter. Bob Cook - Original Message - From: Bob Higgins To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:

Re: [Vo]:$10,000 bet against cold fusion on /.

2014-10-18 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Why would you want inflation adjusted? It works in your favor :) On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:16 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Of course not. When suckers make bets like this with me I generally at least demand treasury rates but Bruce was so spontaneous I didn't want to spoil

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Cook
Eric The Li may still be in a vapor form and the Ni in a nano size solid state form, both nano particles and Li atoms circulating as a hot mixed substance in the reactor. The Li reacts one atom at a time with the Ni lattice to form new species. The temperature is practically uniform because

Re: [Vo]:new paper- help MFMP, please!

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Cook
Dave and Eric- I think you assume running the heating coils at a power to produce the operating temperature without the added heat source of the LENR would be possible. The heating wires may not have been able to get to the necessary power level whether they are resistance or inductive

Re: [Vo]:Why doesn't Rossi makes a self feeding Hot Cat and ends the controversy.

2014-10-18 Thread Robert Lynn
Brushless generators can be designed to do 97% efficiency. Not a significant loss. On 18 October 2014 17:17, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but then you need to convert the physical energy into electrical which will cause some extra loss. On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 10:01 PM,

Re: [Vo]:new paper- help MFMP, please!

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
It was not too long ago as marked by the painfully slow march of science that Steven* Chu* won himself a Nobel Prize in Physics in 1997 for his ground breaking research at Bell Labs in cooling and trapping of atoms with laser light. His fame in this supreme accomplishment afforded him the

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Higgins
As someone who has first hand experience working with micro-scale carbonyl Ni powder, and treating these powders in a thermochemical reactor, I can tell you that what you are saying about the nickel particles is 100% wrong. Even these 4-10 micron scale nickel particles will sinter into a porous

RE: [Vo]:Why doesn't Rossi makes a self feeding Hot Cat and ends the controversy.

2014-10-18 Thread Jones Beene
From: Robert Lynn Brushless generators can be designed to do 97% efficiency. Not a significant loss. John Berry wrote: Yes, but then you need to convert the physical energy into electrical which will cause some extra loss. And one the least costly ways to get high efficiency (I

RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Bob Cook I do not know of data on high temperature BEC's of particles of high mass. Y. Kims theory for the reaction of Bose particles, including duplex compinations of different Bose particles, may be of some importance. I have not studied his theory in

[Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Alan Fletcher
Taking the report at face value, the hotcat displays several of the standard LENR miracles .. Some evidence of nuclear reactions (though incomplete and a tiny sample: Li, Ni -- but no H, He ... examined) No radiation outside an alumina cylinder (though there may be a steel tube inside) No

Re: [Vo]:new paper- help MFMP, please!

2014-10-18 Thread David Roberson
You are right Bob. It might not be possible to perform the experiment in a manner that we would prefer. I do believe that they should make every attempt to reach that goal within reason. If not successful, I would like to see a report describing the obstacles that they encountered. There

Re: [Vo]:$10,000 bet against cold fusion on /.

2014-10-18 Thread James Bowery
The reason I posted the message here with the title To Arms is that I perceived this to be a unique opportunity to goad the acolytes of pseudo-skepticism into laying it on the line. I was right. You see /. is one of, if not the most read news blog by techies. Fusion is one of a few ultimate

Re: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
Rossi's position might have been advanced through the addition of Ni62 isotope in that this could be claimed as proof of transmutation and associated nuclear activity. But transmutation was also proved using the increase in the Lithium 6 isotope. Rossi could not have spiked the ash with Lithium 6

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
And yet, particle 1 which showed Ni62 transmutation also shower that the tubercle nano-surface was still in place after days of 1400C operation. Any ideas? On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: As someone who has first hand experience working with

RE: [Vo]:temperature of the resistor wire.

2014-10-18 Thread Jones Beene
From: Axil * Rossi could not have spiked the ash with Lithium 6 since access to that isotope is restricted to the same level of access as plutonium with both being proliferation control items. Not so. Rossi could buy 6Li in kilograms if he so desired. Recent press

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread David Roberson
Meltdown might not be such a major concern with the latest design. If Rossi and allies have optimized the geometry in such a manner as to extract heat energy from the device faster than the core can produce it then thermal run away should not occur. That suggests that some finite operating

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: So either the temperature measurement is wrong, or we have another miracle, that seems to take place within the entire interior of the hotcat. I think part of our difficulty is that one hesitates to take the report at face

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Higgins
The left side (in Figure 1) 45-50mm of the reactor are much cooler than the heated core between the insulated supports. This end near the thermocouple plug probably never exceeded 700C. Particles that ended up there did not undergo as much sintering. As I recall the Lugano test particle was

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
The persistence of those tubercles which should have melted at 1000C is impossible to explain after days of 1400C reactor surface temperatures. Heat management including production and flow inside the Rossi reactor is not yet understandable, a mystery. On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 2:06 PM, David

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
There was a directly observable miracle that showed unmelted nano structure on the surface of those nickel micro particles that should have melted at 1000C and yet where photographed after days of 1400C reactor operating temperatures. Those temperature differences are TOO LARGE to be due to poor

Re: [Vo]:Why doesn't Rossi makes a self feeding Hot Cat and ends the controversy.

2014-10-18 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: And one the least costly ways to get high efficiency (I have heard) is by way of one of your “down under” washing machine motors – rewired as a generator… http://www.yourgreendream.com/diy_fisher_paykel.php Paul and I

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
This idea contributes the belief that the nickel particles are the source of heat production. What you are saying is that the particles caused heat to be generated somewhere else in the reactor, not in or near the nickel particles. How can the surface of the reactor sustain a temperature of 1420C

Re: [Vo]:Why doesn't Rossi makes a self feeding Hot Cat and ends the controversy.

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
Do you believe that the Papp engine is a real over unity device. It ran is self sustain mode in a third party dyno test and even won a patent of the year award from the US patent office. The moral to this story, if people do not want to believe, they just won't. On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 2:33 PM,

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
it is highly preferable to use deuterium, as opposed to hydrogen. I disagree. Deuterium has a non zero spin whereas hydrogen has a zero spin which is required in low powered LENR reactions. On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Bob, I have cherry-picked

RE: [Vo]:Why doesn't Rossi makes a self feeding Hot Cat and ends the controversy.

2014-10-18 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton And one the least costly ways to get high efficiency (I have heard) is by way of one of your “down under” washing machine motors – rewired as a generator… Paul and I tried one of these on the you-know-what. It even puts out three phases and can

RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Jones Beene
From: Axil it is highly preferable to use deuterium, as opposed to hydrogen. I disagree. Deuterium has a non zero spin whereas hydrogen has a zero spin which is required in low powered LENR reactions. Says who? What is your evidence?

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
Ni61 is non reactive as stated by DGT and confirmed by Mizuno as presented in Cook's !CCF-18 presentation On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* Axil it is highly preferable to use deuterium, as opposed to hydrogen. I disagree. Deuterium has

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: There was a directly observable miracle that showed unmelted nano structure on the surface of those nickel micro particles that should have melted at 1000C and yet where photographed after days of 1400C reactor operating

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
See https://mospace.umsystem.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10355/36817/SimulationNuclearTransmutationPresentation.pdf?sequence=2 On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Ni61 is non reactive as stated by DGT and confirmed by Mizuno as presented in Cook's !CCF-18

RE: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Jones Beene
So what, that’s not general evidence? Even if true, it relates to nickel, and not to hydrogen/deuterium. Everything since 1989 in LENR points to deuterium being as active if not more than hydrogen. From: Axil Axil * Ni61 is non reactive as stated by DGT and confirmed by

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Cook
Bob-- Thanks for that clarification about the melting of small Ni particles. Are there any compounds or alloys of Ni that would not melt or sinter below say 1100 C? Since Rossi says he does not use Ni nano particles the fuel may be something else containing Ni that could be exposed to the

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: By the time the IH reactor is operating above 1000C, there are no nickel nanoparticles or nano-features of any kind left - they are all melted into larger agglomerations. Is it possible that the micro-scale features

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
Bob Higgins: Even these 4-10 micron scale nickel particles will sinter into a porous mass by heating at 500-700C. Rossi uses micro particles in the 2 to 10 micron range. The nano structured surface tubercles coating will melt at lower temperatures that the sintering of the entire particle. This

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
No...This surface nanostructure is a result of the processing of the carbonyl Ni powder precursor which is long gone in the resultant pure nickel particle uses by Rossi. On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Bob Higgins

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
I can't believe that the independent science team could ever make a mistake that bad: measuring a reactor temperature that as actually at 700C as being 1400C. On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Why doesn't Rossi makes a self feeding Hot Cat and ends the controversy.

2014-10-18 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: With that kind of test bed, it should be possible to close the loop with anything over COP 1.2 electric-to-electric, like the Bedini, Newman and other claims. Even if all four losses were considered (motor, generator,

RE: [Vo]:Why doesn't Rossi makes a self feeding Hot Cat and ends the controversy.

2014-10-18 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton With that kind of test bed, it should be possible to close the loop with anything over COP 1.2 electric-to-electric, like the Bedini, Newman and other claims. Even if all four losses were considered (motor, generator, transformer, inverter) this

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
The melting miracle may put into question some irrefutable logic about reactor melt down. It is assumed by all what are not judged to be nuts that when the reactor get up to 2000C during meltdown, the nickel particles are long since melted and something else is causing increasing temperature

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I can't believe that the independent science team could ever make a mistake that bad: measuring a reactor temperature that as actually at 700C as being 1400C. It is difficult to believe. And yet, people do make large mistakes at times. If the photos in Fig.

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: I can't believe that the independent science team could ever make a mistake that bad: measuring a reactor temperature that as actually at 700C as being 1400C. It is difficult to believe. And yet, people do make large mistakes at times. See p. 11 here for examples of large

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Cook
There is an assumption that the Ni is pure Ni. This may not be the case. There may be a substrate of a high temperature ceramic--Ti-N or Ti-C or something else with the Ni bonded to the surface of the substrate. The thermocouple reading at operation is unknown to me. It may have indicated

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Cook
Axil-- Your question: How can the surface of the reactor sustain a temperature of 1420C if the nickel particles are cooler that that temperature. Answer---The energy is generated by the particles is radiant energy and all is absorbed by the alumina near the inner surface with none being

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Cook
I would disagree with the spins reported by Axil for D and a Proton. D is +1 and the Proton is +1/2 in non excited states or ground states. The neutron also has a +1/2 spin. The proton and neutron spins seem to add to make up the +1 spin of the D. Bob - Original Message - From:

Re: [Vo]:Why doesn't Rossi makes a self feeding Hot Cat and ends the controversy.

2014-10-18 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton With that kind of test bed, it should be possible to close the loop with anything over COP 1.2 electric-to-electric, like the Bedini, Newman and other claims. Even if all

Re: [Vo]:To Arms

2014-10-18 Thread Alain Sepeda
their theory get more and more crazy... this guys ridicule 9/11 truthers but they behave the same. 2014-10-18 0:37 GMT+02:00 James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com: /. just posted a story debunking cold fusion Have at it, men and Ruby!

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
*There is good reason to believe that magnetism is the prime mover in LENR. Under this speculative paradigm, it is interesting to consider the options and consequences of this conjecture. In such a paradigm, any technology that is friendly to magnetism would be good for LENR, and conversely, a

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Alain Sepeda
this seems a mystery but maybe it is the key. as far as I understand your discussion, it seems impossible Ni particles surface structure stay stable even at 1000C... it won't be liquid, but will be aggregated too easily... when something works and there is something like a problem, maybe it is

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Cook
Axil-- Take a look at the Norman Cook discussion that you just posted as to the depletion of the various isotopes of Ni in LENR testing that Cook evaluates. IT INCLUDES DEPLETION OF ODD NUCLEON ISOTOPES WITH NET SPIN (NI-59 WITH -3/2) AS WELL AS EVEN NUCLEON ISOTOPES WITH 0 SPIN. ONLY

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Higgins
What I am saying is that the reaction site it not hotter than its environs. Think about it like a microwave oven (only x-rays instead of microwaves). The oven walls don't initially get hot. The food inside gets hot from the microwave absorbtion and the IR from the food then heats up the walls

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
if particles cannot survive, maybe they don't . [image: Image] Some particles come out of the reactor after a month of 1400C temperatures just as they when in, that is with tubercles. They are structurally intact. Go figure!!! On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Alain Sepeda

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
You are close to my thinking. However,what the micro particles produce is not x-rays but coherent magnetism at extreme strength. On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: What I am saying is that the reaction site it not hotter than its environs. Think about

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Higgins
I am sure that there may be a Ni-X alloy that melts at higher temperature than pure Ni. The field is wide open. There is just not enough good concrete data or a theory to say what works and what doesn't. It appears that Rossi has something that works, but this Lugano report provides, once

Re: [Vo]:Mizuno, Rossi copper transmutation

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
Ni59 is not stable. I don't see it mentioned in the Cook report. You have a case for Pd105 but this non zero spin conjecture is not a hard cast rule. Non zero spin is just unfavorable in the LENR reaction based on the strength of the magnetic field producing the reaction. Non zero spin just

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
The SEI assay on page 45 of the report shows a PURE nickel particle with tubercles that have been unaffected by heat having survived 32 days of destructive temperatures up to 1400C. Lithium 6 is a reaction ash. Lithium 7 is a secret sauce (SS) alkali metal additive, The older versions of Rossi's

RE: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Jones Beene
Another remote possibility should be mentioned, if real gain is found in this device… and that would be this: the basis of gain could be only SPP – surface plasmon polaritons. This species may be gainful in itself as it condenses. Electrons would be lost to the Dirac sea via SPP, for instance

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
I like it. SPPs only live for a few picoseconds. They are half light and half electron. SPPs need to be vigorously pumped. If fusion feeds SPP creation we should see an increase in electrons as well as heat. As Rossi reported, he sees a large production of electrostatic charge in his reactor,

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread H Veeder
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: The isotopic analyses are a little amazing, and, as far as I can tell, do not give indications of a gradient effect in the 6Li and 62Ni species. ​ appendix 3 measured abundance in ash sample 6Li - 92.1% 7Li - 7.9%

RE: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Jones Beene
From: Axil I like it. SPPs only live for a few picoseconds. They are half light and half electron. SPPs need to be vigorously pumped. If fusion feeds SPP creation we should see an increase in electrons as well as heat. Since this reactor depends on continuous electrical input to

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread David Roberson
This line of reasoning leads me to wonder if the mini explosions that some think are occurring are able to sputter the fuel. In this scenario, the molten mass is continually torn apart into small blobs that then cool into odd shapes and sizes. Is anything of this nature even remotely

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Higgins
It is unlikely that the SAME micro-scale features would re-appear - at least in Rossi's historical carbonyl process Ni particles. The particle shape with the high external surface area is a unique outcome from precipitatation from a highly volatile liquid. As the temperature rises to 500C,

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
Fusion must be involved because there is all kinds of transmutations taking place. If the energy came from the vacuum, then no ash would be generated and the reactor will not need a fuel recharge to function. On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 8:39 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* Axil

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Higgins
See my previous reply to Eric. Bare Ni will sinter together into a low porosity bulk at 500C. Coating the Ni particles with the Fe2O3 nanopowder before they ever get hot prevents large scale sintering. The tubercles that Rossi described during growth are micron-scale features. These are not

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
Maybe this low temperature sintering particle behavior is the reason why Rossi takes so much time to start the E-Cat going. He needs to get the magic going before the nickel particles are destroyed by heat, On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: It is

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
*These do not melt like nanoscale features.* What is the temperature at which these surface features are destroyed? On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: See my previous reply to Eric. Bare Ni will sinter together into a low porosity bulk at 500C.

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Higgins
Magnetism is even less likely the cause at the temperature of the hotCat. It is one thing to ascribe coherent effects at temperatures of 400C (being improbable there), but by the time you get over 1000C, it is hard to imagine being able to maintain any kind of condensed matter alignment that could

RE: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Jones Beene
BTW – the beauty of an SPP hypothesis is that - not only is it falsifiable, but the proof or disproof will happen in about 6 days if everything goes well. If the MFMP puts together a “dummy” reactor - and it is even slightly gainful, then of course the mystery will be solved.

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Higgins
Tubercles is a nebulous description. You could call those features tubercles, but I do not. They are not tubes at all. I have seen tubes (hence my belief that I saw tubercles in my powder and they were at larger scale (pictures are in my paper). Only Rossi can say which he intended as

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
The nickel particle cannot be rebuilt. But there is a good chance that he lithium can form nanoparticles aggregations that do the same SPP creation function as the nickel particles. I call this clumping dynamic NAE production because these clumps of nanoparticles are continuously made and

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Bob Higgins
How do SPPs convey the heat away from the NAE so that the nanoscale is NOT the hottest spot? SPPs normally attenuate at very small scale, and the attenuation is electromagnetic absorption of the lossy plasmon waveguide. If the NAE is the hottest spot in the reactor, then there could never be a

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread H Veeder
Dave and Axil, On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I can't believe that the independent science team could ever make a mistake that bad: measuring a reactor temperature that as actually at 700C as being 1400C. ​​ ​Ordinarily a surface at 1400C should glow

Re: [Vo]: Gettering in the Lugano IH reactor

2014-10-18 Thread Axil Axil
No radioactive isotopes production is another LENR miracle. On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: BTW – the beauty of an SPP hypothesis is that - not only is it falsifiable, but the proof or disproof will happen in about 6 days if everything goes well. If

Re: [Vo]:Hotcat melting miracle

2014-10-18 Thread H Veeder
Where are the neutrons? Must be a mistake. Where is the white glow? Must be another mistake. Harry

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