Re: [Vo]:LENR theory

2015-10-06 Thread Axil Axil
This is the question that I am asking of you. If we assume that Holmlid is correct in the particles he is seeing, what does that mean for the types of nuclear reaction that result? On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 1:19 AM, Eric Walker wrote: > If you provide several balanced

Re: [Vo]:LENR theory

2015-10-06 Thread Eric Walker
If you provide several balanced reactions that involve mesons, pions and muons, I can take them as a model and attempt to generalize. Eric On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > If LENR is producing mesons, pions, and muons, how does that effect > reaction

Re: [Vo]:Translation of Parkhomov slides at recent Soshi meeting

2015-10-06 Thread Eric Walker
What you say is interesting and possibly explains something of the economic considerations relating to nickel that go into the E-Cat. What caught my interest in the lack of detail about nickel in the patent application cited below went back to the earlier thread on the reliability of the

Re: [Vo]:Translation of Parkhomov slides at recent Soshi meeting

2015-10-06 Thread Bob Higgins
Faced with a working reaction and attempting to optimize it, I am sure Rossi would have explored the reactivity of the individual isotopes of Ni. In the process, he may have found that 62Ni was optimum. I would be surprised if he found out that it was the only isotope that was active. Just to

Re: [Vo]:A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

2015-10-06 Thread Bob Higgins
Jones, I would like to hear your arguments of evidence that the muons CAME from the proton. My first observation is that muons are ~100MeV particles by positive mass energy. That says that ~200MeV could wrench a muon - antimuon pair into existence (presumably from the Dirac sea). Since this was

Re: [Vo]:LENR theory

2015-10-06 Thread Axil Axil
If LENR is producing mesons, pions, and muons, how does that effect reaction types? On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 3:55 PM, a.ashfield wrote: > > For comparison, Rossi stated his current theory in a

RE: [Vo]:A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

2015-10-06 Thread Ron Wormus
Jones, Brightsen's Clustron Model of the nucleus also has antimatter in the nucleus. I have pdf's of all his papers if anyone is interested. Ron --On Tuesday, October 06, 2015 5:58 PM -0700 Jones Beene wrote: Of interest - wrt the "9 muon model" of the proton is an

RE: [Vo]:LENR theory

2015-10-06 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint > Then somebody suggested that NRL should try an alloy of 90% Pd and 10% Rh. > The very first such alloy cathode they tried yielded over 10,000 Joules of > excess thermal energy NRL christened this cathode with the name Eve... There is an

Re: [Vo]:Translation of Parkhomov slides at recent Soshi meeting

2015-10-06 Thread Lennart Thornros
I agree with Bob about the validity of the patent. Unfortunately I believe all patents are ending up in this dilemma. The amount of information is so enormous that it is going to be very hard to defend any patent. In addition there is no way one can get any positive earnings out of the patent

RE: [Vo]:LENR theory

2015-10-06 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
I'm surprised that this article has not been commented on yet... We now have a PhD condensed matter physicist at NRL validating, unequivocally, a LENR effect, and that they have also established theoretical basis; their DFT simulations agree with empirical results. “The Naval Research Labs

RE: [Vo]:LENR theory

2015-10-06 Thread a.ashfield
I think this paper may well be the most important one since Pons and Fleischmann's original announcement. Pity that Vortex didn't want to display it as it sent it here before sending it to ECatWorld. It would be much easier to discuss with the full paper visible.

Re: [Vo]:LENR theory

2015-10-06 Thread Axil Axil
Regarding: "A departure from equilibrium must be established that will permit an external energy source (eg. the DC power supply in an electrolysis experiment and/or a pair of low power lasers as in the Letts/Hagelstein two laser experiment) to feed energy into the H-H or D-D stretching mode

RE: [Vo]:LENR theory

2015-10-06 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Oh, this statement is a real teaser... " a number of “sisters” who produced equal and even greater excess thermal energy, among a number of other more interesting effects." "... a number of more interesting effects." What could be MORE interesting than excess heat/low energy nuclear reactions???

Re: [Vo]:A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

2015-10-06 Thread John Berry
If Protons are are made of Muons, then could Muons or anti-Muons fired at a Proton/atom not cause Proton Decay and atomic Transmutation/Fission? Particle physics isn't my bag, anyone know what results? On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Mon, Oct 5,

Re: [Vo]:LENR theory

2015-10-06 Thread a.ashfield
For comparison, Rossi stated his current theory in a recent interview. "“My theory is that a proton from a hydrogen atom enters, by the quantum tunneling effect, into a nucleus of Li-7 (i.e., a lithium nucleus of atomic weight 7), forming a nucleus of Be-8 (i.e., a beryllium nucleus of atomic

Re: [Vo]:A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

2015-10-06 Thread Axil Axil
Holmlid's research is worth at least 20 billion euros. CENR wants to build a Muon factory that cost that huge amount, but has not figured out how to reduce the energy of the muons that they will produce to low levels. Holmlid produces very mild muons from the getgo. On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 1:34

Re: [Vo]:LENR theory

2015-10-06 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 1:53 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: "... a number of more interesting effects." What could be MORE interesting > than excess heat/low energy nuclear reactions??? Some questions are better left unasked. One of the sisters could be Pandora. Eric

Re: [Vo]:LENR theory

2015-10-06 Thread Bob Higgins
There's plenty of observations that are more interesting than excess heat, because, by itself, it is not proof LENR is nuclear. Radiations, transmutations, isotopic shifts would all be more interesting than just heat. Or, even proof that the excess heat was coming without nuclear involvement -

[Vo]:Re: LENR theory

2015-10-06 Thread Bob Cook
David- My idea is that a hydrogen flux in the Pd system is necessary, be it slow once a threshold concentration is established, and only necessary to maintain the threshold amount. This is consistent with LENR after the stimulation is turned off. Life after death. I have assumed that the

RE: [Vo]:Re: LENR theory

2015-10-06 Thread Jones Beene
The advantage of muons as the medium with which to sustain a chain reaction is that, unlike neutrons in fission, they are charged and can thus have freedom of movement constrained (by magnetic field or electrostatics). The downside is short lifetime. From: Bob Cook I think the rate of

Re: [Vo]:LENR theory

2015-10-06 Thread Eric Walker
I was referring in a very roundabout way to new military applications, although I doubt that allusion was at all clear to anyone. On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: > There's plenty of observations that are more interesting than excess heat, > because,

Re: [Vo]:LENR theory

2015-10-06 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 3:55 PM, a.ashfield wrote: For comparison, Rossi stated his current theory in a recent interview. > > "“My theory is that a proton from a hydrogen atom enters, by the quantum > tunneling effect, into a nucleus of Li-7 (i.e., a lithium nucleus of

[Vo]:Re: LENR theory

2015-10-06 Thread Bob Cook
The laser is made up of a specific frequency of oscillating electric and magnetic fields of considerable intensity (oscillating amplitudes). It is either the electric field or magnetic field of the laser at an appropriate frequency in resonance with the resonance frequency of the electronic

[Vo]:Re: Louis DeChiaro of US Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) on Replicating P+F

2015-10-06 Thread Bob Cook
Adrian-- I had the same question about the text reported on E-Cat World web page concerning DeChiaro's notes and the details of LENR in PD. Where did the notes come from? Is this private communication? The source is not specifically identified in the E-Cat World item except as being

Re: [Vo]:Re: Louis DeChiaro of US Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) on Replicating P+F

2015-10-06 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
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Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR theory

2015-10-06 Thread David Roberson
You are suggesting an interesting concept Bob. Do you suppose that there is phononic coupling between the individual reacting sites resulting in some form of chain reaction? If that is true then a threshold density of deuterium would be required in order to spread a local burn. Otherwise

RE: [Vo]:A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

2015-10-06 Thread Jones Beene
Of interest - wrt the “9 muon model” of the proton is an old paper by Harold Aspen where he came up with the same conclusion. http://www.aetherscience.org/www-aspden-org/books/Asp/1988c.pdf Aspden missed the important detail about binding energy showing up as mass deficit, but still it is more

[Vo]:Of Magic and Mainstream physics...

2015-10-06 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Fellow Vorts: I've been harping on the importance of resonance in producing anomalous behaviors in atomic physics which contradict established theory. Turns out that there may be another specific condition which may also have to be considered. when 'midway' between two values which exactly

[Vo]:Louis DeChiaro of US Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) on Replicating P+F

2015-10-06 Thread Patrick Ellul
If this news is legitimate, it is of significance. http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/10/06/louis-dechario-of-us-naval-sea-systems-command-navsea-on-replicating-pons-and-fleischmann/ "Hopefully, we will be able to get all the details of this material released for publication to the general public

Re: [Vo]:LENR theory

2015-10-06 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Where is this from? Link? On Tuesday, October 6, 2015, a.ashfield wrote: > I sent this information directly to Vortex but it never appeared. > Now you can see it here. >

Re: [Vo]:LENR theory

2015-10-06 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
pandora, indeed. On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 1:53 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint > wrote: > > "... a number of more interesting effects." What could be MORE interesting >> than excess heat/low energy nuclear

Re: [Vo]:Louis DeChiaro of US Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) on Replicating P+F

2015-10-06 Thread a.ashfield
Patrick, Please note this is the topic of the thread two below yours

Re: [Vo]:Louis DeChiaro of US Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) on Replicating P+F

2015-10-06 Thread Patrick Ellul
For the record, DeChiaro's recent presentation slides can be found at: http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Attachment/386-IEEE-brief-DeChiaro-9-2015-pdf/ On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Patrick Ellul wrote: > If this news is legitimate, it is of significance. > >

Re: [Vo]:Louis DeChiaro of US Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) on Replicating P+F

2015-10-06 Thread Patrick Ellul
I am sorry for the duplication. In my weak defence, i did a search for "dechiaro" before my post and nothing came up. regards. On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 10:47 AM, a.ashfield wrote: > Patrick, > Please note this is the topic of the thread two below yours > > -- Patrick

[Vo]:Daily LENR Info for Sep 6, 2015

2015-10-06 Thread Peter Gluck
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/10/sep-6-2015-lenr-info.html Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Translation of Parkhomov slides at recent Soshi meeting

2015-10-06 Thread Bob Higgins
If I were Rossi or IH, I would worry more about the validity of his patent due to prior art. There is so much ART that is described over the years in online forums, particularly in Vortex-L, that a search used by any would be patent busting organization would likely turn up amazing prior art

Re: [Vo]:Translation of Parkhomov slides at recent Soshi meeting

2015-10-06 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: > In other words, the lack of mention is a small piece of circumstantial > evidence in support of your hunch that 62Ni was added before the blank run > for no obvious operational reason (e.g., so that the ash analysis would be > compromised). Not a smoking gun by any means, but

[Vo]:LENR theory

2015-10-06 Thread a.ashfield
I sent this information directly to Vortex but it never appeared. Now you can see it here. http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/10/06/louis-dechario-of-us-naval-sea-systems-command-navsea-on-replicating-pons-and-fleischmann/

RE: [Vo]:A model of the proton to describe Holmlid's results

2015-10-06 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Higgins * Jones, I would like to hear your arguments of evidence that the muons CAME from the proton. Bob, The CERN report is certainly aware of the implications of pair formation. Good evidence comes from that - and the next best comes as implications from Holmlid’s papers.