[Vo]:Re: Lets work out some useful definitions

2016-04-05 Thread Bob Cook
RE: [Vo]: Lets work out some useful definitionsOne other question about the protons is whether they form Cooper pairs before reacting? Such pairing may contribute to the dense Rydberg matter that Holmlid claims exists. Again intense magnetic fields would potentially lead to such pairing.

RE: [Vo]: Lets work out some useful definitions

2016-04-05 Thread Jones Beene
Bob The problem breaks down to identifying when the electron becomes essentially dissociated from the proton. IRH is not really an atom that has lost energy and entered a state below the ground state, since that level assumes the electron is still attached as an orbital. My take on the

Re: [Vo]: Lets work out some useful definitions

2016-04-05 Thread Bob Higgins
See below... On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Bob Cook wrote: > Bob Higgins etal. > > I agree that the definitions are confusing. I have understood that > Rydberg matter refers to an ionic state of an element where there are no > associated electrons in orbits

Re: [Vo]: Lets work out some useful definitions

2016-04-05 Thread Bob Cook
Bob Higgins etal. I agree that the definitions are confusing. I have understood that Rydberg matter refers to an ionic state of an element where there are no associated electrons in orbits associated with a given nucleus. Thus Li-3 would be a raw +3 particle in a solid state material, not a

Re: [Vo]:Here is who you can trust: a licensed engineer

2016-04-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
So far, the only thing Rossi has said about the report is that a nuclear engineer is the principal author. That is not a good sign. The principal author should have been a licensed HVAC engineer. Assigning this task to a nuclear engineer would be like putting an HVAC engineer in charge of

Re: [Vo]:Help the history of cold fusion

2016-04-05 Thread CB Sites
Way back in the 1990-94 period I had a number of words with Douglas Morrison of CERN, Frack Close (Too Hot to Handle), Richard (Dick) Blue (Oak ridge). You can find some of the old discussions in google groups; search 'sci.physics.fusion chuck sites morrison' for a nice heated exchange between

Re: [Vo]:Help the history of cold fusion

2016-04-05 Thread CB Sites
Way back in the 1990-94 period I had a number of words with Douglas Morrison of CERN, Frack Close (Too Hot to Handle), Richard (Dick) Blue (Oak ridge). You can find some of the old discussions in google groups; search 'sci.physics.fusion chuck sites morrison' for a nice heated exchange between

RE: [Vo]: Lets work out some useful definitions

2016-04-05 Thread Russ George
Freeman Dyson has suggested that "observers of the philosophical scene" can be broadly, if over-simplistically, divided into splitters and lumpers, roughly corresponding to materialists, who imagine the world as divided into atoms, and Platonists, who regard the world as made up of ideas.

[Vo]:in LENR crimes against progress go mainly unpunished

2016-04-05 Thread Peter Gluck
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/04/apr-05-2016-lenr-progress-and-crime.html some info, but I feel more will come and if it is importnt I will tell you peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

[Vo]: Lets work out some useful definitions

2016-04-05 Thread Bob Higgins
It strikes me that as we are using some of the acronyms we are losing sight of their properties. Holmlid describes his Ultra-Dense Hydrogen (UDH), and Ultra-Dense Deuterium (UDD) as forming from Rydberg Matter (RM). Rydberg Matter (RM) is a cluster of atoms in the Rydberg state. So, lets start

[Vo]:Help the history of cold fusion

2016-04-05 Thread Russ George
I have a request of fellow Vorts, that is will you please contribute your recollections and references as to the attacks on cold fusion over the years. I will organize this into a Who’s Who of the trolls in this field. There is a case to be made that the world would have been spared an

Re: [Vo]:has this document been saved to the LENR library?

2016-04-05 Thread Axil Axil
Does a reaction producing muons vs. not producing muons have IP and patent implications for the various inventors? On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > >1. Sverre Haslund >April 5, 2016 at 3:01 AM >

Re: [Vo]:has this document been saved to the LENR library?

2016-04-05 Thread Axil Axil
1. Sverre Haslund April 5, 2016 at 3:01 AM Dear Andrea Can you confirm if the Rossi effect produce muons ? Warm regards, Sverre Haslund 2. Translate Andrea Rossi April 5, 2016 at 7:16 AM

RE: [Vo]:Re: has this document been saved to the LENR library?

2016-04-05 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Cook Ø The theory presentation does not address the question of the state of the electrons in the sea of condensed matter. Currently, a good explanation for the location of “missing” electrons is derived from the Lawandy paper. The electrons are internalized into the

RE: [Vo]:has this document been saved to the LENR library?

2016-04-05 Thread Jones Beene
Speaking of capturing a form of energy which is normally widely dispersed… An obvious question from those awaiting word on the year-long results from Rossi is this: could there be a cross-connection between the ecat and the Holmlid/Ólafsson findings of large muonic output? There could be. Rossi

[Vo]:Re: has this document been saved to the LENR library?

2016-04-05 Thread Bob Cook
Bob Higgins-- I think you are correct that there is proposed a condensed matter per the Olafsson presentation. It seems to be a crystal-like item with a sea of electrons not associated with any given positive charge in the condensed item. Its clearly different from the model of a normal

RE: [Vo]:has this document been saved to the LENR library?

2016-04-05 Thread Jones Beene
Bob, That distinction is probably correct, although Miley’s version, which is no longer in favor, can be either clusters or singlets, IIRC. In the Lawandy model, the electrons are internalized to the substrate, and a dielectric substrate is required. I am hoping that Meulenberg will address

Re: [Vo]:has this document been saved to the LENR library?

2016-04-05 Thread Bob Higgins
Jones, isn't there a distinction between [UDH and UDD] and the [IRH and DDL]? As I understood it [IRH and DDL] are references to sub-ground states for an individual hydrogen atom. OTOH, [UDH and UDD] are condensed matter states of multiple atoms. Did I get this wrong? On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at

RE: [Vo]:has this document been saved to the LENR library?

2016-04-05 Thread Jones Beene
From: Robert Dorr Nicely done presentation. Well worth giving a look. These are the same slides used by Ólafsson at the colloquium back in October at SRI, reported here: https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg105372.html Here is the easy link to the slides https://goo.gl/Zlenbp

RE: [Vo]:Is this true?

2016-04-05 Thread Chris Zell
Don’t be naïve. Karen Silkwood just “happened” to have a fatal “accident” when things got too hot for Kerr-Magee. When Occupy Wall Street threatened the Banksters, they made a generous “charitable” public contribution to the NY Police

Re: [Vo]:has this document been saved to the LENR library?

2016-04-05 Thread Robert Dorr
Nicely done presentation. Well worth giving a look. Robert Dorr WA7ZQR On 4/4/2016 12:30 PM, Axil Axil wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Is this true?

2016-04-05 Thread Alain Sepeda
from my theory of who were the bullies getting away from US, and from public funded research would have solved the problem. It solved the problem, so maybe my theory is good. no business involved. just read Ed Storms opinion

Re: [Vo]:Is this true?

2016-04-05 Thread Alain Sepeda
Amoco and Shell investigated LENR, as team in Framatome, CEA. only menace and bullying I've heard report indirectly here are : - horse manure in mail box (Bockris?) - 3 inquiry launched fro fraud against Bockris - bad joke with cell put in a nuclear reactor (who?) - CEA lab boss blocking LENr