I think we have a chicken and egg problem here. I'm not sure if it was Alfred
Baez or I who have it backwards, if it is backwards. I can no longer find any
reference to Baez's comments on this subject on the internet. Hey.. William
Beaty, if you're asleep at your keyboard, wake up and help us
Decades ago, Alfred Baez (physicist and father of Joan) proposed that
hurricanes and/or tornadoes might be electrostatically driven. The idea being
that the charge imbalance between the periphery and the center might drive the
vortex. Yes folks, I'm posting something about vortices here on
I read a lot of scientific papers covering a broad variety of subjects. It's
how I amuse myself, even though I am not a scientist. Some people play golf, I
read scientific papers. I'm sure many of you on this list have noticed that
papers on research payed for with your tax dollars are not
.
On Friday, June 11, 2021, 10:30:56 PM GMT+1, Jones Beene
wrote:
Most interesting, Michael. It would be even more so (to Mills' investors :-)
... if there had been some of the Mills' UV lines as predicted - 27.2 eV , 13.6
eV and so on.
Did you see any UV lines at all?
Michael Foster wrote
I'd like to try this myself, but I can find no other reference to the
phenomenon other than yours. By cavitating cleaner do you mean an ordinary
ultrasonic cleaner, or is it something different? How much power is needed?
What size and thickness of foil are used, etc.?
If the surface of the
I tried this and it looks really kewl indeed. The potassium chloride I used
was pure enough that if you do a simple flame test, you don't get any of that
yellow-orange sodium color. I watched the sparking with a 1500 lpm diffraction
grating and the double D lines of sodium are way too bright
I can't blame anyone for staying away from the UFO "community". Real
information is really difficult to weed out of the profusion of BS that
pervades. There is so much fakery and pseudo-religion associated with what are
probably real phenomena, that it is wise not to become involved.
But
Well Robin, that certainly bursts my thorium bubble. Should have thought of
that myself. It's still not a crazy idea. And as you point out, plutonium could
be even better. The main problem with the whole concept is that it would really
have to be built in space. Testing this out in the
What's crazy about it? It appears to be more promising than anything else for
interstellar travel, unless we discover the reactionless drive that many have
proposed. But there is no reactionless drive yet. So why not try this?
Furthermore, I think there might be a major improvement possible
This photopolymer is also highly active at the green mercury line 546.1 nm,
which was the original purpose for this particular formulation. Of course, it's
rather unlikely that this phenomenon is related to the subject at hand.
On Monday, April 19, 2021, 07:24:47 PM GMT, Robin
wrote:
Not sure as to the nature of your question. If you mean the peak of the 532 nm
light source, it's extremely narrow. It comes from a frequency doubled YLF
laser with an etalon giving a greater than 15 meter coherence length. If you
mean the peak efficiency of the photopolymer, it's fairly broad
Ok, here's another coincidence. For years I have been using a photopolymer
whose quantum yield is far over unity. This is a formulation I discovered by a
lot of experimenting. I use this in my work, so it remains and will remain a
trade secret. And the preferred wavelength iswait for
I have no idea why this subject continues to be controversial in the
slightest. There are any number of carbon arc configurations that produce
elemental transmutation of carbon to iron. I have done this repeatedly myself.
The last time, years ago, I used spectroscope grade carbon rods to make
Jones, your comment made me laugh out loudGlad someone still has a sense
of humor in these times.
On Thursday, February 25, 2021, 04:45:27 PM GMT+1, JonesBeene
wrote:
Could it really be that simple?
Here is yet another example of how broken science has become. The fundamental
theoretical concept of this research has merit. The possibility of a practical
manufacturing process is remote and the researchers know it.
It's an interesting little project to amuse the scientists and get (you
Jed, from my point of view, I needed a personal "trigger warning" before
reading this. My head may explode. My contention that science is broken is yet
reinforced by what you say here. The lack of applied science is really a
symptom of the wholesale de-industrialization of the U.S. and other
I didn't want to take such a deep dive into this subject, but it seems
possible that sodium ion batteries could have an even higher energy density per
mass and per volume than the present lithium ion batteries. Research into the
intercalation of hard carbon with Prussian Blue analogs (various
This subject may be common knowledge to many on this list, but I was unaware of
it. I was wondering if the lithium in the batteries we all use could be
replaced with sodium so I just did a web search (I, like many, no longer
google) and found there has been considerable research going on in
As an early cold fusion enthusiast and experimenter, I was hoping CF would be
the answer to inexpensive clean personal distributed energy production. So far,
nothing much has come of it, although it seems obvious to me that the effect is
real and much more needs to be done with it. Can major
I promised myself I wouldn't post any more off topic messages here. But really
there is no other topic these days. So.
Remdesivir, promoted by that evil demon Fauci, is a Big Pharma dream drug. It's
very expensive and it doesn't really work. I'm sure that this new drug Aplidin
is 30 times
This is serious stuff. In your opinion, Jed, is this something like an
artifact of the unimaginably complex operating systems and networks we now
have? Or maybe it's the way those in charge of data processing relate to these
systems through the software available. As you pointed out, you could
ay, November 21, 2020, 04:17:52 PM GMT+1, Jed Rothwell
wrote:
Michael Foster wrote:
Yes, you are correct about the 6% figure. They merely stated that 6% of cases
that listed covid19 as the sole cause of death failed to list the
co-morbidities.
Correct. COVID-19 itself does not kill patie
GMT+1, Jed Rothwell
wrote:
Michael Foster wrote:
The CDC itself has said only about 6% of reported mortality could reliably be
attributed to the virus.
No, it did not say that. You have misunderstood. Please stop spreading such
misinformation.
When you take that into account, the c
Interesting info, Jed. Thanks.
I hope these vaccines are effective, not because they need to be, but because
it will calm down the unnecessary panic over this relatively low risk virus.
There are no reliable statistics about the virus. False positives and negatives
abound. The CDC itself has
Clever and interesting... But this device is not an acoustic analog of an
optical prism. It's much closer to an acoustic diffraction device.
On Sunday, November 1, 2020, 06:13:08 PM UTC, H LV
wrote:
Engineers Debut the Acoustic Prism
The device splits sounds without digital help
I guess I'm the oldest of the old guys on this list. I inherited some high
impedance headphones
from my father who used them when he built crystal sets in the 20s. Naturally,
I used them
for my own crystal sets. These babies had 30,000 ohms impedance. 3000 ohms
impedance
would have been
Sorry you got conned by Microsoft, Frank. Their totalitarian approach to
computer software is reprehensible. If you don't switch to a Linux OS, you
should at least download Libre Office, it's free and will pretty much do
anything you would want in terms of a word processor, spread sheet and the
This phenomenon is truly remarkable. I tried reading the paper and now my head
hurts. From what I gather,
numerous "scientists" are circling the wagons to debunk this work.
Has anyone replicated? It seems like a replication attempt wouldn't be too
difficult or prohibitively expensive.
I see what you mean. I was unaware of their focused beam method. OTOH, Tesla
did invent radio as we know it , but no one seems to know that.. I'm not a
slavish Tesla fan, but the history is reasonably clear.
This system wouldn't solve the power distribution problem either, since the
lack of
I read this article. Don't you find it more than a little annoying that Mr.
Tesla is nowhere mentioned?
This is important. No doubt everyone other than auto mechanics and people who
like the hear the vroom-vroom would like to switch to electric cars. The
problem is there doesn't seem to be
I think the most interesting thing about limelight is how almost all the
emitted radiation seems to be in the visible spectrum. Carbon arc, for example,
has lots of UV and IR for the same amount of energy input. Don't know the
explanation for that. Those thorium gas mantles seem to have the
I can just see the oxygen and hydrogen lines running throughout my house, with
the solar panels powering the electrolysis cell outside. There would be little
pieces of marble clamped onto ceramic stand-offs with tiny torches aimed at
them.
"Did you change the marble chips this week, Honey?
Sorry Bob, I shouldn't have referred to my little ad hoc experiment as an
"investigation". It was more like, "What if I look at a lime light with a hand
held spectroscope to see what's there?" What I saw was what you'd expect to
see: Dim calcium and hydrogen lines along with the ever-present
On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 03:18:17 PM UTC, Jones Beene
wrote:
>Wiki has its entry under "Oxyhydrogen" but the explosive mixture has also been
>called HHO,
"knallgas," town gas, "common manifold electrolysis" and more. Maybe Thomas Gas
is the breakthrough which will open the subject up
On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 03:18:17 PM UTC, Jones Beene
wrote:
>Wiki has its entry under "Oxyhydrogen" but the explosive mixture has also been
>called HHO,
"knallgas," town gas, "common manifold electrolysis" and more. Maybe Thomas Gas
is the breakthrough which will open the
On Saturday, July 25, 2020, 03:18:17 PM UTC, Jones Beene
wrote:
>Wiki has its entry under "Oxyhydrogen" but the explosive mixture has also been
>called HHO,
"knallgas," town gas, "common manifold electrolysis" and more. Maybe Thomas Gas
is the breakthrough which will open the subject up
I believe we are engaged in a nostalgic postmortem. No? CF/LENR has been
systematically beaten to death by members of the scientific establishment
afraid of losing their grants, especially the ITER nuts with the huge budgets.
A couple of observations. If you are worried about the mechanical resonance of
this reaction, don't use an engine with a crankshaft. Instead, just have a
spring loaded piston with an adjustable tension to match the resonance of the
reaction. Energy could then be extracted by electromagnetic
My oh my! Look at these ingredients.
active ingredient (in each tablet): famotidine 20 mg (acid reducer) inactive
ingredients: carnauba wax, hydroxypropyl cellulose, hypromellose, magnesium
stearate, microcrystalline cellulose, pregelatinized starch, talc, titanium
dioxide.
With the carnauba
Very funny, Jones.
Ghee, in the Punjab, they sure know the cure ease…
That NY Times article is really informative. Thanks for the link. It points out
what few people realize, which is when you are gasping for breath, it's not
from lack of oxygen, it's the build up of carbon dioxide. That's just the way
our bodies work to regulate oxygen levels. Worked OK for
o pull our heads out.
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 12:13:51 AM UTC, Terry Blanton
wrote:
On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 3:32 PM Michael Foster wrote:
Yes, 254 nm is an excellent virus killer. However, unlike 222 nm, long term
exposure to 254 nm can cause damage to the eyes and skin. As Jonathan Berr
test
On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 12:13:51 AM UTC, Terry Blanton
wrote:
On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 3:32 PM Michael Foster wrote:
Yes, 254 nm is an excellent virus killer. However, unlike 222 nm, long term
exposure to 254 nm can cause damage to the eyes and skin. As Jonathan Berry
Soap stings my eyes and makes me choke when I inhale it :-)
On Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 07:50:34 PM UTC, ChemE Stewart
wrote:
How about just wash with soap :)
On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 3:32 PM Michael Foster wrote:
Yes, 254 nm is an excellent virus killer. However, unlike 222 nm
what seem to be at the most optimistic to be a roughly 1% fatality rate.
I have found two US manufacturers of 222nm bulbs, not sure though that either
have enough output.
Good to know it's krypton chloride, wasn't aware.
On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 04:35, Michael Foster wrote:
This is a really good idea. Fortunatel
This is a really good idea. Fortunately, the U.S. can supply its own krypton.
222 nm lamps are krypton chloride excimer bulbs. Maybe we can wise up and make
the lamps in the United States. I doubt that any are made here now. I know
this sounds ridiculous at the moment, but what if a baseball
I find it interesting that chloroquine/ hydroxychloriquine and Ivermectin are
both used to kill tiny critters that cause human disease. I can't find any
information on Ivermectin being a zinc ionophore. This factor seems to be
largely ignored in the politicized controversy over possible
In this 2005 publication by the CDC, titled "Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor
of SARS coronavirus infection and spread" https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/3620,
they talk about the function of chlorquine as an ionophore for zinc and how it
more or less wipes out SARS, a corona virus. Curiously,
Well this is Shakespearean, Tempest in a Teapot, Much Ado About Nothing, but
not dead wrong. What they didn't tell you about using human hair as crosshairs
in optical instruments is that not only is it too coarse, it suffers from sag
in high humidity environments. No doubt the gubmint during
I hate to be the one to tell you this, Jones, but China has been stronger than
the U.S. for some time. The massive manufacturing infrastructure created in
China is far greater than the U.S. has ever achieved. Factors such as average
income, GDP, etc. are just financial indicators. Publications
I think that's great that these women are volunteering to make these masks.
Washable is better. We have really become too much the disposable culture.
Not too sure about women volunteering to grow their hair long to make
crosshairs for gunsights during WWII, though. I've never heard of that.
, March 24, 2020, 03:47:24 PM UTC, Jed Rothwell
wrote:
Michael Foster wrote:
I'm happy to see that rare cooperation between Trump and Cuomo will see a
large scale "trial" of chloroquine and Zithromax, already known to work as a
treatment for covid19. I hope this will exp
I'm happy to see that rare cooperation between Trump and Cuomo will see a large
scale "trial" of chloroquine and Zithromax, already known to work as a
treatment for covid19. I hope this will expose FDA/CDC as owned by the
pharmaceutical business, as exemplified by the behavior of Fauci and
Another voice of sanity.
https://www.thecollegefix.com/stanford-epidemiologist-warns-that-coronavirus-crackdown-is-based-on-bad-data/?utm_source=whatfinger
OK
https://www.dailywire.com/news/french-peer-reviewed-study-our-treatment-cured-100-of-coronavirus-patients
Similar results in Australia also China if you can believe anything they say.
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/23/opinion/23thomas.html. Numerous other
references as well.
Italy is not really a model for what happens with covid19. First of all it has
an average age nearly 10 years older than the U.S. It is also swarming with
Chinese nationals since it signed up for Belt and Road. There are also 300,000
illegal alien Chinese working in the leather industry in
Yes, and there's one other inconvenient problem for the Big Bang. You might
recall a few years ago when infrared telescopes were revealing previously
invisible galaxies in the range of 8 to 11 billion light years away. The
galaxies didn't look anywhere near as young as they ought. This is one
As with any significant and potentially profitable new technology, there is a
storm of treachery, theft, false claims and injustice surrounding it. The
Daguerreotype is a prime example. Francois Arago, president of the French
Academy of Science, convinced Hyppolyte Bayard to delay publishing
Years ago, I did similar carbon arc experiments because I thought this would be
the best way to demonstrate the possibility of nuclear transmutation by other
than conventional means. I used spectroscopic grade carbon rods as well. Far
more iron was created than could be accounted for by
I really want to believe these guys are for real in their revival of the Papp
engine. If it works, it's
certainly more compelling than getting heat from LENR. One thing bothers me in
watching the
video of the engine assembly. The piston rings are rubber O-rings. There's no
way in hell that
--- On Thu, 6/21/12, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
Subject: [Vo]:Walking heads?
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, June 21, 2012, 12:55 PM
Amazing ... this is how natives moved
rather large statuary on Easter Island
One presumes they mean hypothesis or perhaps theory. The term theorem does
not apply this idea. An attempt at such pedantic erroneous usage usually
qualifies the proponent as a fool.
--- On Mon, 6/11/12, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
I wouldn't be too sure about that not working for net gain, Jones. What Mr.
Jaro has proposed is essentially the Langmuir atomic hydogen torch. Many are
convinced that the Langmuir torch is over-unity. However, I think it's obvious
that cavity containment is the way to go.M.
--- On Wed,
This work is based on the assumption that there is no iron deposited in the
carbon soot. Years ago I did a number of experiments that convinced me that
carbon can be transmuted into iron in an electric arc. I am certainly not the
first person to observe this, but I did extensive testing on the
Well yes. Utterly obvious to those of us who haven't adopted fear of climate
change as a religion substitute. This won't change the jumping up and down and
screaming of the true believers a whit. Don't confuse them with the facts and
please don't deprive them of their new inquisition. And the
--- On Fri, 7/22/11, Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Neutrons from Piezonuclear Reactions
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, July 22, 2011, 12:45 PM
paper from Annales de la Fondation
Louis de Broglie,
A couple of things:
The curie temperature of nickel is 354 C. I think the nickel powder in the
Rossi reactor would have to be above that to generate 10kW. So no
magneto-anything. I'll bet I'm the only one on this list to have built a Griggs
device and it works just fine at a low flow-though.
Well yes, Rossi has intellectual property problems unless he discloses his
secret additives in his patent application. That will separate his patent from
prior art. He will still owe something to previous patents regardless, as they
incorporate many of the claims Rossi has made in his
--- On Wed, 4/13/11, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Rossi wrote:
2- a patent like this can request up to 6 years of
processing
I do not know what that means. Rossi told me he hopes to
have the patent by the time of the 1 MW reactor. I took
that to mean the application will
I've been following this discussion for a while and now I think Mr. Rossi needs
to be aware that his intellectual property claims may be in danger. I can
understand that he would like to have it both ways. He would like to have a
patent and he would like to keep the essential ingredients a
That's just my point. Since he has publicly announced that the best mode is not
included in his patent application, his patent is invalid as soon as it is
issued. I'm quite aware that inventors play around with the best mode
requirement, but they don't tell the world before their patent is
The letter that Ms. Kemmler refers to in response to the European patent
examiner is interesting reading indeed. It seems to me that Mr. Rossi's
intellectual property position is really quite a muddle. I sincerely hope this
can be resolved in his favor. Like most on this list, I am hoping Rossi
--- On Tue, 3/1/11, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
Subject: [Vo]:[OT] Financial Warfare
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 11:31 AM
Remember the discussions over 2 years
ago about large stock puts and a
conspiracy to
--- On Wed, 3/2/11, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Financial Warfare
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 11:12 AM
Michael Foster wrote:
You don't have to be a genius to figure out who
--- On Sun, 2/27/11, Dennis den...@netmdc.com wrote:
From: Dennis den...@netmdc.com
Subject: [Vo]:Rossi's Nickel
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, February 27, 2011, 12:22 PM
I notice in Rossi's patents, he specifies the Nickel was from : [0094]
Powder nickel: Gerli Metalli--Milan
--- On Thu, 2/24/11, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Subject: [Vo]:COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC News topix photo of maiko
(geisha-in-training)
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 7:20 AM
See:
I have read and re-read Franklin's Experiments and Observation on Electricity
for the absolutely astonishing brilliance of its analysis of electrical
phenomena. In it he floats the idea of the electrical fluid or PARTICLES
(emphasis mine), meaning that he anticipated the idea of the
I dunno, doesn't seem much different from your average verbiage in the typical
paper published in a scientific journal.
M.
--- On Sun, 5/16/10, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
Subject: [Vo]:The Secret of Cold Fusion
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date:
Yea, verily and my thoughts exactly.
M.
--- On Tue, 4/6/10, Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com
Subject: Inexpensive convincing Cold Fusion generated helium (was Re:
[Vo]:Krivit comments...)
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, April
I don't suppose it would do any good to send a copy of this to our friend Mr.
Parks. Might be fun though.
M.
Yep, we all have it at my house. It's amazing the variation of effect on
different people. My wife and son are really sick, but nothing approaching the
necessity of hospitalization. I, conversely, had a barely detectable sore
throat for a couple of days. You have to wonder if some people
Oh Wow! I guess they'll give a Nobel Prize for physics and chemistry now.
M.
--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Subject: [Vo]:Obama visiting MIT to discuss energy
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009,
I haven't been following this thread very closely, so if my input is
repetitive, shoot me. Stephen's idea seems like a good test of whether this
phenomenon is thermally or magnetically driven. Has anyone tried this with
non-magnetic bearings?
In any case, I looked it up and you can buy single
Fumed silica, an inexpensive commercial product, is supposed to have particles
of between 4 and 50 nanometers. It's very strange stuff, forming a gel with
common liquids, including water. Whether the material would be useful for this
type of experiment, I have no idea.
I've often wondered if
In case you haven't noticed it already, check out the Happy Birthday Nikola
Tesla Google logo today. Nice artwork. Nice thought.
The caliper listed at Harbor Freight is a very good deal indeed. But neither it
nor a micrometer are usually used to measure film thickness on account of the
problems you encountered. There is a device called a thickness gauge used for
the purpose of measuring plastic films or thin gauge metal
--- On Fri, 7/3/09, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote:
Ludwik Kowalski used up all his 6u mylar for Oriani demo
cells. We have a
big spool of Kapton here at work, but no obvious way to
measure its
thickness. I stacked up sixteen layers, squeezed it
with two different
micrometers to
The general idea of creating a structurally black surface on silicon or other
photovoltaic is a sound one, both from the point of view of making the
photovoltaic more efficient and for the secondary effect of using the
unconverted light to make heat for storage.
What I find annoying in this
I think you might have confused eels the fish with EELS, a tribology term. EELS
is an acronnym for electron energy loss spectrometry. Tribology is the study of
frictional interaction between surfaces. Maybe friction is just lower in
Florida this year what with the reduced sunspot count and all
One can only hope. More than likely, however, by the time Mr. Park's reputation
is damaged by being the Grand Inquisitor for the American Physical Society,
he'll be dead and no one will remember him.
M.
From: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bob Park now calls it
Exactly right.
Just think, if they taught how this works in say, high school, the American
people would no longer be hoodwinked by this scam. Everyone seems to be upset
by Bernie Madoff, but the whole financial sector is a Ponzi scheme with the
average person the last guy to get the chain
William Beaty wrote:
How microscopes REALLY work (Leeuonhouk's great
secret, wrong texts)
I'm not sure what you mean by that. I hate to put myself forward as perhaps a
leading expert on this subject, but from what I have read, I have probably the
most practical experience with what
I dunno, Richard. I think we might need free whiskey, too. It's, you know, an
emergency.
M.
Reviving this crusty old thread:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
I have as yet not come across any information indicating that commercial
banks can lend out more than about 90% of their net asset value --
reserve requirements currently being around 10% -- and you are claiming
they can actually
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Your earlier claim, quoted below, was that an individual
bank could lend
out 10 times the amount of that bank's total deposits.
The above quote
from Wiki does not support that claim.
OK then, banks acting in concert lend out 10 times as much money as is
deposited
Robin wrote:
Can someone explain to me how raising interest rates is
supposed to reduce
inflation?
(I presume that the logic goes like this:- higher interest
rates mean borrowing
is more expensive, hence less will be borrowed, which in
turn means lower
investment and less economic
As some of us who've been around for a while have noticed, the bills in common
circulation have changed their names a couple of times. Not so long ago, they
were silver certificates, redeemable for the metal. Then, they became Treasury
notes and after that Federal Reserve notes.
Most of this
Robin wrote:
What I'm really trying to get at is the exact flow of
wealth between the Federal
Reserve banks and the government of the USA. Do the
books balance, or is this
a net one way flow?
The Federal Reserve operates independent of the U.S. government. Our government
raises money
Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One downside to butanol is it is both toxic and water
soluble, a very bad combination. This is the problem with
another gasoline additive, MTBE. Gasoline spills not having
MTBE are much easier to clean up, and less likely to
actually get to well
I take it none of you guys has been in Indian traffic or seen the typical
vehicle mix. A compressed air car would be perfect for India. Even on the
highways the speed limit is 60 kph, roughly 40 mph. It's never that high in
the cities.
Imagine the type of traffic you get when no one pays any
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