Re: [Vo]:A flu irony - less total deaths !!!

2020-03-13 Thread Terry Blanton
Sorry, Jed, I put very little credence in anything the CPC says. https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gordon-g-chang-china-falsely-blames-us-for-coronavirus-pandemic https://www.foxnews.com/world/chinese-deny-americans-coronavirus-drugs The data from Italy and Iran are more reliable, IMO. Cheers!

Re: [Vo]:A flu irony - less total deaths !!!

2020-03-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: You can't really define mortality of a disease until you either > a) have experience with the disease > b) count the dead > The mortality is the number of infected divided into the number of dead. > The Chinese now have enough data from recovered and dead patients to draw

Re: [Vo]:A flu irony - less total deaths !!!

2020-03-11 Thread Terry Blanton
not either, both On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 8:49 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > You can't really define mortality of a disease until you either > a) have experience with the disease > b) count the dead > The mortality is the number of infected divided into the number of dead. > You don't know the

Re: [Vo]:A flu irony - less total deaths !!!

2020-03-11 Thread Terry Blanton
You can't really define mortality of a disease until you either a) have experience with the disease b) count the dead The mortality is the number of infected divided into the number of dead. You don't know the outcome of those with an ongoing infection; so, the definition is really:

Re: [Vo]:A flu irony - less total deaths !!!

2020-03-11 Thread Jürg Wyttenbach
Am 12.03.20 um 00:52 schrieb Jed Rothwell: The numbers from Italy today are disastrous. In response, the Prime Minister announced more stringent rules. NYT: The death rate in Italy is above 20% (3858 vs 827 deaths)  now if we assume an average of 6 days for detection to death. But many people

Re: [Vo]:A flu irony - less total deaths !!!

2020-03-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: Corona virus vaccines are difficult because the immune system attacks the > RNA; but, it's the spike proteins which cause the infection by "unlocking" > the cell wall. If they were easy, we would have a common cold vaccine. > A few years ago I read about efforts to

Re: [Vo]:A flu irony - less total deaths !!!

2020-03-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: > If you want to track the data in near real time > https://ncov2019.live/data > > the tables are sortable. > This site is also good: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Note that it has detailed information for several countries, such as:

Re: [Vo]:A flu irony - less total deaths !!!

2020-03-11 Thread Terry Blanton
Corona virus vaccines are difficult because the immune system attacks the RNA; but, it's the spike proteins which cause the infection by "unlocking" the cell wall. If they were easy, we would have a common cold vaccine.

Re: [Vo]:A flu irony - less total deaths !!!

2020-03-11 Thread Jürg Wyttenbach
Am 12.03.20 um 00:39 schrieb Terry Blanton: All very interesting. Covid-19 appears to kill by cytokine storm in most cases. This was exactly what happened in recent (classic-) corona vaccine tests too, what was one reason to give up further vaccine development. They will restart the

Re: [Vo]:A flu irony - less total deaths !!!

2020-03-11 Thread Terry Blanton
All very interesting. Covid-19 appears to kill by cytokine storm in most cases. Some evidence indicates that influenza is seasonal due to fowl migration. The virus is carried in their feces. No shit. If you want to track the data in near real time https://ncov2019.live/data the tables are

Re: [Vo]:A flu irony - less total deaths !!!

2020-03-11 Thread Jones Beene
Bpb, Not wishful at all -  if you look at this scenario from the perspective of a biochemist - this is apparently a typical RNA catalyzed biochemical system.(I am told) Proteins and enzymes are tailored (by evolutionary pressure) to be extremely thermoactive and catalytic in various selected

RE: [Vo]:A flu irony - less total deaths !!!

2020-03-11 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
M To: vortex<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: [Vo]:A flu irony - less total deaths !!! It is a bit premature to make this statistical assessment, but the numbers coming into CDC suggest that the Corona virus could have a net positive effect on the USA flu season in 2019-20... in terms o

Re: [Vo]:A flu irony - less total deaths !!!

2020-03-11 Thread Jones Beene
Hi Robin If that were true (more energy available for the immune response), then one would expect that populations in warmer climates would lbe healthier, live longer and maybe never catch the flu - no? This is not the case, in fact it is almost the opposite - although there could be another

Re: [Vo]:A flu irony - less total deaths !!!

2020-03-11 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 11 Mar 2020 20:22:49 + (UTC): Hi, [snip] >The interesting dynamic is this: why does a few degrees of extra heat in >springtime kill the virus? Say, maybe there is an additional irony to "global >warming"? Perhaps in the warmer months people's immune

[Vo]:A flu irony - less total deaths !!!

2020-03-11 Thread Jones Beene
It is a bit premature to make this statistical assessment, but the numbers coming into CDC suggest that the Corona virus could have a net positive effect on the USA flu season in 2019-20... in terms of fewer net deaths, and millions less combined hospitalizations. ...whoa !!... where is CNN on