Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-29 Thread Michel Jullian
2009/9/28 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net: On Sep 27, 2009, at 5:49 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: One thing that could be done now, and probably wouldn't be a waste would be algoil. This could make a significant dent in fossil fuel consumption, and because it targets cars and trucks,

Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-29 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 29, 2009, at 12:00 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: 2009/9/28 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net: On Sep 27, 2009, at 5:49 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: One thing that could be done now, and probably wouldn't be a waste would be algoil. This could make a significant dent in fossil fuel

Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-28 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 27, 2009, at 5:49 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: [snip] One thing that could be done now, and probably wouldn't be a waste would be algoil. This could make a significant dent in fossil fuel consumption, and because it targets cars and trucks, isn't likely to be quickly replaced by

Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-27 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 26, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Harvey Norris wrote: Because the (car) alternator has its field regulated, it is designed to constantly produce 12 or 13 volts, probably even at the lowest rpm available to it by idle of the automobile. The PMG site however claims that high amperage extraction

Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-27 Thread Harvey Norris
You may be highly disappointed running at 1.4 volts/cell. Well aware of all the limitations involved here, the use of a variac to try the schemes from the power grid ect. I have done all of these things before. A simple comparison here is apt however. A typical industrial size browns gas

Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-27 Thread Harvey Norris
--- On Sun, 9/27/09, Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 2:46 AM You may be highly disappointed running at 1.4 volts/cell

RE: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-27 Thread Jones Beene
Horace You may be highly disappointed running at 1.4 volts/cell. But - a few months ago - were you not promoting Nocera's half-cell advance? He claims a 90% reduction on the anode. If incorporated, and even if less than 90% that should reduce the overall potential significantly - perhaps to

Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-27 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 27, 2009, at 6:43 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Horace You may be highly disappointed running at 1.4 volts/cell. But - a few months ago - were you not promoting Nocera's half-cell advance? He claims a 90% reduction on the anode. If incorporated, and even if less than 90% that should

Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-27 Thread mixent
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:35:06 -0800: Hi, [snip] Given no other major energy development, like cold fusion, an all out international effort should be waged to develop a solar infrastructure. ...however I think that CF will eventually prevail, hence the

Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-27 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 27, 2009, at 2:00 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:35:06 -0800: Hi, [snip] Given no other major energy development, like cold fusion, an all out international effort should be waged to develop a solar infrastructure.

Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-27 Thread mixent
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:28:25 -0800: Hi, [snip] ...however I think that CF will eventually prevail, hence the Manhattan style project you have in mind could turn out to be a huge white elephant within just a few years. IOW It might pay to wait a little

Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-26 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Chris Zell wrote: The last car to use generators that I'm aware of was the VW Bug. I suppose alternators were cheaper to build. That would make sense. Once cheap reliable high current diodes became available, the alternator design appears simpler. On the other hand, I've always heard that

Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-26 Thread Harvey Norris
--- On Sat, 9/26/09, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 10:05 AM Chris Zell wrote: The last car to use generators

Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-26 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Harvey Norris wrote: --- On Sat, 9/26/09, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 10:05 AM Chris Zell wrote: The last car

RE: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-25 Thread Jack O Suileabhain
10:28:03 -0400 From: sa...@pobox.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators Harvey Norris wrote: Went to Auburn Indiana Classic Car show in early Sept... The cars back then had a generator instead of an alternator. Now there are claims from

RE: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-25 Thread Chris Zell
The last car to use generators that I'm aware of was the VW Bug.  I suppose alternators were cheaper to build.

Re: [Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-24 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Harvey Norris wrote: Went to Auburn Indiana Classic Car show in early Sept... The cars back then had a generator instead of an alternator. Now there are claims from Hydrogen Garage LLC, that adding a water cell 12 volt electrolysis as an alternator load, and by the engine using the HHO

[Vo]:Car Alternators Vs Old Style Generators

2009-09-23 Thread Harvey Norris
Went to Auburn Indiana Classic Car show in early Sept... The cars back then had a generator instead of an alternator. Now there are claims from Hydrogen Garage LLC, that adding a water cell 12 volt electrolysis as an alternator load, and by the engine using the HHO product on demand from the