Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-30 Thread James Bowery
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: ...There is precedent for this. In 1917, the United States wanted to begin large-scale mass production of aircraft for World War I. The industry was hamstrung by patent fights especially by the original patent which had

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-30 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
The government in US does not exist. it is a puppet of business, and this is a concept that in Europe we had to learn to fight. But it is hard to import. US Government is a vehicle to make business run nicely. In europe a big change is in process, but not event to the quite coherent system of US.

[Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
I think it is likely that the intellectual property rights for cold fusion will soon result in a gigantic legal brawl with countless lawsuits. I suppose that powerful interests may line up behind Piantelli to sue Rossi, and vice versa, with everyone suing Defkalion. A lawsuit frenzy should not

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread Craig Haynie
On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 16:01 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote: Someone here suggested that the best solution to this problem would be for governments to throw a large pile of money that everyone involved in the initial development of cold fusion. I think that would probably be a good idea. I hope

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here are some notes on the outcome. I though Uncle Sam purchased the patents, as originally planned. Not so, according to: The American aviation experience: a history By Tim Brady There was a tangle of 130 patents, all essential to aviation. On July 24, 1917 Congress appropriated $640 million

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread Robert Leguillon
Due to the international nature of these patents, what do you predict today? Would LENR be coopted by the IAEA or UN? Would there be a declaration of energy as a human right, and thus richer countries subsidizing the energy needs of poorer nations? Or would $ for new energy sources be pried

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 16:01 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote: Someone here suggested that the best solution to this problem would be for governments to throw a large pile of money that everyone involved in the initial development of cold fusion. I

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: Due to the international nature of these patents, what do you predict today? I know little about patents. My only prediction is that the people who deserve a patent for the basic invention of cold fusion will not get one. Cold fusion is

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread Craig Haynie
On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 16:34 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote: Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 16:01 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote: Someone here suggested that the best solution to this problem would be for governments to

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Fleischmann is not working on anything. He is old and suffering from a fatal disease. He got nothing for his efforts in cold fusion. Neither did any of the other pioneers. They are mostly old or dead. All they got was

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Where is Stanley Pons? He is living quietly in France. I have not heard from him in years. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: But you're not proposing a solution within a moral framework. You're advocating that people take money from those who may not want to give it . . . In that case it should come from a temporary tax on the sale of cold fusion devices. A royalty, in

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread noone noone
A tax on cold fusion devices? The last thing we need is another tax! Our government wastes billions of dollars as it is. They could save billions by ending hot fusion research, and bringing our troops home from around the world. The ITER needs to be abolished.

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread noone noone
I think what we need to do is convince the world that the E-Cat works, and then promote a peaceful uprising of the people to force the patent office to grand Rossi's patents. From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday,

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread noone noone
I  don't agree with the government using tax dollars to pay cold fusion inventors. In my opinion, the government needs to be forced (peacefully) to grant Rossi's patent. When the government tries to fix a problem they helped create, 9 out of 10 times they make it worse.

[Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't agree with the government using tax dollars to pay cold fusion inventors. In my opinion, the government needs to be forced (peacefully) to grant Rossi's patent. As I said, having the government grant a patent is functionally equivalent to

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

2011-11-29 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
the need to merge the patent like it has been for plane seems reasonable. the notion of taxing cold fusion is classic for IP or any business. Windows is a tax on PC... state or private is a polemic detail. the CF inventors could merge their patents to accelerate the developpement of