Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-16 Thread Alain Sepeda
the emissivity was used, it was not the blackbody equation but is not that the greybody equation (correct term?) ? anyway what have to be the sensitivity error to explain the apparent COP ? naively I assume that the emissivity during the calibration have to be much much higher than assumed and

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-15 Thread Alain Sepeda
A calibration curve will bend down. It never bends up. this mean that temperature grow less than the power ? this mean that when you increase the power, and if temperature grows much more that before, something anomalous is happening ? Either excess heat, or some external blanket effect

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-15 Thread David Roberson
: Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible A calibration curve will bend down. It never bends up. this mean that temperature grow less than the power ? this mean that when you increase the power, and if temperature grows much more that before, something anomalous is happening ? Either excess

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-15 Thread Jack Cole
To: Vortex List vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 15, 2014 12:59 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible A calibration curve will bend down. It never bends up. this mean that temperature grow less than the power ? this mean that when you increase the power

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: A calibration curve will bend down. It never bends up. this mean that temperature grow less than the power ? Right. this mean that when you increase the power, and if temperature grows much more that before, something anomalous is happening ?

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-15 Thread David Roberson
is generating a major amount of power during the test. Dave -Original Message- From: Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 15, 2014 3:19 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible I agree David. You can verify

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-15 Thread H Veeder
Message- From: Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com To: Vortex List vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 15, 2014 12:59 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible A calibration curve will bend down. It never bends up. this mean that temperature grow less than

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-15 Thread David Roberson
for what they actually were able to accomplish. Dave -Original Message- From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Oct 16, 2014 12:18 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible You might say I am splitting

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-15 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 9:43 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It would be a miracle to find that the temperature exactly matched what is expected according to the Stephan-Boltzman equation. I get that the preconditions for the Stephan-Boltzman equation were not met, technically,

[Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-14 Thread Alain Sepeda
Hi Following Mickael McKubre critics, I posted a question for the testers but some here may answer with the public data - assuming the convection factor is maybe badly represented (underestimated for the dummy, over represented for the active) because the dummy was tested at lower

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: - is there a simple way , with minimal assumption, to be sure that the COP1 Look at the color. If it is dull red, it may be around 750°C which is where you would expect it to be in a straight line extrapolation calibration up to 800 W. If it

RE: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-14 Thread Robert Ellefson
[mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 1:10 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com mailto:alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: * is there a simple way , with minimal assumption

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-14 Thread David Roberson
: Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible Hi Following Mickael McKubre critics, I posted a question for the testers but some here may answer with the public data assuming the convection factor is maybe badly represented (underestimated for the dummy, over represented for the active