RE: [Vo]:Looking for feedback on a BLP POC disagreement

2015-02-02 Thread Ron Wormus
Steven, Let me jump in here make a comment: I disagree that a self running prototype is what he needs. Why bother? It would just generate more distracting controversy much as Rossi's tests have done. Like Rossi Mills thinks the best way is to commercialize a product. Waiting also has the

Re: [Vo]:Looking for feedback on a BLP POC disagreement

2015-02-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: In 2003 an expert pilot with far more experience than Orville Wright had in 1903 tried to fly a replica of this airplane at Kitty Hawk. He could not get it off the ground. Orville Wright had experience flying gliders. Nobody had experience flying airplanes in 1903! Actually making

Re: [Vo]:Looking for feedback on a BLP POC disagreement

2015-02-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Randy Mills said: *A device that runs on its own requires the sophistication equivalent to being a commercial device.* I do not like to be dismissive, but that is ridiculous. That's an incredibly ignorant thing to say. Here is a famous photo of the first transistor:

RE: [Vo]:Looking for feedback on a BLP POC disagreement

2015-02-02 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jed, I was wondering if you might find reason to complain about Mills current development strategy. All I can say is that I pretty much agree. I still don't buy Mills' contention that... A device that runs on its own requires the sophistication equivalent to being a commercial device.

RE: [Vo]:Looking for feedback on a BLP POC disagreement

2015-02-02 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jones, Jones, you give me the impression that you perceive Mills as remaining stalwart in his actions while bravely staying at the helm of a mortally wounded ship he knows is sinking. To me is actions strike me more like that of a political campaign manager who feels the need to constantly

Re: [Vo]:Looking for feedback on a BLP POC disagreement

2015-02-01 Thread leaking pen
The issue here is that no matter what the science says, and what the experiment shows, ramping up an effect to a usable product is never certain, and lots of REALLY useful known facts fall apart when you try to make a product out of them. This is why we MAKE proof of concepts. Not to prove the

Re: [Vo]:Looking for feedback on a BLP POC disagreement

2015-02-01 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
Imagination yes, if there was no real quantities calculated. But by calculated many 100 of experimentally measurements one could just say that his theory has 100:s or is it not 1000:s of validation experiments. This would not be strange if there was a bunch of factors that was estimated in the

Re: [Vo]:Looking for feedback on a BLP POC disagreement

2015-02-01 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
I guess that you don't get grants to investigate the hydrino. My take on this whole story is by some reason Mills theory and results are downplayed due to political reasons, not scientific reasons, maybe people are just stupid, and are hindering open minded physists doing coperations with Mills to

Re: [Vo]:Looking for feedback on a BLP POC disagreement

2015-02-01 Thread Peter Gluck
I tell you guys what is the greatest problem and mystery with the hydrino. I was in very good relationship with Randy till the Rossi affair- then he got angry with me because I dared to suppose that yes, Rossi has excess heat ...but after a while we both forgot this incident. Randy has told with

Re: [Vo]:Looking for feedback on a BLP POC disagreement

2015-02-01 Thread Peter Gluck
Forget mathematics, what's with the compounds? For mathematics etc see what Samsonenko has concluded. Even if true, using hydrino is very much as converting lightnings in useful usable electric energy. Peter On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson

RE: [Vo]:Looking for feedback on a BLP POC disagreement

2015-02-01 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Thanks, Axil. I browsed the Wikipedia article. I'll need to go through it several more times before I'm even close to a point of saying anything reasonably intelligible. What I can say is that I find some interesting concepts that, once again, remind me of a certain branch of computer

Re: [Vo]:Looking for feedback on a BLP POC disagreement

2015-02-01 Thread Axil Axil
I will go through my primus in detail, one point after the other with references for your convenience. First, stating my primus is simple terms as follows: There is more than one way to confine an electron. First, there is the way that most people know about, that is, an electron can orbit a

RE: [Vo]:Looking for feedback on a BLP POC disagreement

2015-02-01 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Peter, I still don't know what to make of Randy's bold hydrino theory and whether BLP will eventually be able to pull the magic rabbit out of the hat. I don't have sufficient mathematical expertise to parse out all the complex mathematical equations Randy has used in order to justify his

[Vo]:Looking for feedback on a BLP POC disagreement

2015-01-31 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
I recently had some interesting interactions over at Dr. Mills' SCP group. After repeated postings I finally got Dr. Mills to respond to a suggestion I wanted to make. See: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SocietyforClassicalPhysics/conversations /messages/4652 The point I keep harping

RE: [Vo]:Looking for feedback on a BLP POC disagreement

2015-01-31 Thread Jones Beene
From: Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson * Of more interest to me was Dr. Mills' response: A device that runs on its own requires the sophistication equivalent to being a commercial device.. Are there any Vorts who might want to add their two cents to this matter? Pro or con. Randell

Fwd: [Vo]:Looking for feedback on a BLP POC disagreement

2015-01-31 Thread Terry Blanton
Let me edify you in science there is no greater proof positive/negative than the experiment. ... The proof of hot fusion looks us in the face every day. Replication with efficacy eludes us still.

Re: [Vo]:Looking for feedback on a BLP POC disagreement

2015-01-31 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Steven, see here paper no 1- is in English: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/01/russian-cnt-seminar-of-january-29.html The author is a world class physicist. Peter On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 8:21 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson Ø

Re: [Vo]:Looking for feedback on a BLP POC disagreement

2015-01-31 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Your glib balanced harangue against Dr Mills, belies your stated support. Your incessant repetition of POC shows an ignorance of the gold standard Dr Mills has already adduced numerous times,

Re: [Vo]:Looking for feedback on a BLP POC disagreement

2015-01-31 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
Thank you Peter, I'll try to answer the critique in the slides for Mills theory shortly. But, I just wanted to support the rant that you do not need to explain new phenomena to develop a new theory and it is advisable to drop that principle as a lone principle. The reason is, of cause if you

Re: [Vo]:Looking for feedback on a BLP POC disagreement

2015-01-31 Thread Axil Axil
I have always thought that R. Mills has succumbed to a simplified imaginative misinterpretation of his experimental data. I now think that I understand how this is mistake happening, When it comes to understanding what is going on with electrons, imagination at these small dimensions is

RE: [Vo]:Looking for feedback on a BLP POC disagreement

2015-01-31 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Peter, The paper in your link appears to be very recent. Looks like it might have been a Power Point presentation in its original incarnation. On page 8, specifically the hand drawn graphic of the Hydrino atom... there is not enough information within the 2D chart for me to understand