David Roberson wrote:
It seems odd that they would work toward enhancing a jet engine instead of
producing the power plant directly.
Dave - Not really odd when you follow the buck.
DoE takes time to fund. And politics are involved. Even the best idea is a year
away with many
Here is Krivit’s interview but it happened back at the end of 2011, so it may
not be relevant to that possibility (that Rossi switched to a jet engine in
order to get rapid funding from DARPA)
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government/Intel/Krivit-LENR-Interview-For-IARPA.pdf
It seems
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From: Eric Walker
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On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:31 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It seems odd that they would work toward
standpoint.
Bob
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On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:31 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It seems odd that they would
, March 25, 2014 7:50 AM
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Here is Krivit’s interview but it happened back at the end of 2011, so it may
not be relevant to that possibility (that Rossi switched to a jet engine in
order to get rapid funding from DARPA)
http
Good point Bob.
BTW – as to further HotCat possibilities – how many remember one of the
original drones which goes back 50 years ? … and which design could be notable
for this thread since it was a ram-jet configuration. Only a few of the
Lockheed D-21 were built. It would fly very high
Hi all
I think Rossi's reference to Jet engines may be with regard to matters that
came up in the NASA seedling presentation, particularly the Brayton Cycle.
It took up a big chunk of the NASA report:
http://nari.arc.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/attachments/SeedlingWELLS.pdf
I think a cloak of
From: Ian Walker
I think Rossi's reference to Jet engines may be with regard to matters that
came up in the NASA seedling presentation, particularly the Brayton Cycle.
It took up a big chunk of the NASA report:
http://nari.arc.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/attachments/SeedlingWELLS.pdf
note that in NASA presentation by Doug Wells, they mostly proposed Brayton
cycle turbine (jet) and not Rankine (steam/ORC)...
an engineer in turbines sould give his opinion here ...
I know some don't like Stirling...
2014-03-25 15:50 GMT+01:00 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net:
Here is
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
aero-porn
Maybe a bit naive ... Current airport fueling systems could be removed
great news that Mizuno found an angel.
Time to learn Gospel.
2014-03-24 3:31 GMT+01:00 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net:
This appears to be the new venture which is sponsoring Dr Mizuno's work
these days...
http://cleanplanet.co.jp/ourTeam.php?lang=en
Apparently Mr Igari presented for
Having been at the meeting I would be pleased to add an item of clarification.
The input gas was in fact molecular deuterium. An innovation that they made a
big deal of at the meeting was a device placed inside the reactor that allowed
them to monitor the composition of the circulating gas in
Steve, have a look at a paper of Edmund Storms (recently brought under the
attention by Alain via LinkedIn):
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEexplaining.pdf
He proposes following processes happening in the reactors of
Rossi/Defkalion (using light Hydrogen):
d+e+d 4H (fast decay) 4He + e
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Apparently Mr Igari presented for Mizuno. He was said to be very impressive
and informed about the details.
That was Mr. Yoshino. Mizuno also presented via Skype.
I heard from Mizuno this morning. I asked him to send me the slides, but he
has not got
From: Steve High
Having been at the meeting I would be pleased to add an item of
clarification. The input gas was in fact molecular deuterium. An innovation
that they made a big deal of at the meeting was a device placed inside the
reactor that allowed them to monitor the composition of the
One further note. According to Steve's report, the device placed in the
reactor allowed them to determine the changing composition of the reactant
gas over time. Thus, it was probably either some kind of spectrometer and
they were looking at emission lines - and even a mass spectrometer, if there
I should have read Jed's post first, and the writeup, which has some nice
images
Apparently the mass spec and quadrupole are outside the experiment, and
could not have been contributory. Apologies for that.
However, this does not rule out polyneutrons. But since the reaction works
with
it seems Mizuno measurement show the inverse reaction
pep reactions seems to make atomic number grows
H.H.H.H-H.D.H-HT-4H~4He
D.D.D.D-D.4H.D~D.4He.D
Mizuno results seems opposite, or maybe an illusion of mass spectrography
It seems a good way to understand what happen, but we should
Yes, Mizuno's work, according to the recent MIT presentation, is shaping up
as a reaction which implies fission of the deuteron, not fusion to higher
mass.
This is called neutron stripping.
It was discovered many years ago and is relatively low energy. We have
discussed it many times in
I interpret Rossi's discussion of the jet engine as referring to a turbine
generator and not an actual aviation application.
Dave
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. I would say the
Mizuno tests, if the conclusion on the decrease of atomic mass 4 is correct,
contradicts Storms theory.
Bob
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From: Bob Cook
I would have said that Storms process would have seen an increase in atomic
4 mass in the form of 4He. NRL indicated that there was a production of He
in their Pd experiments consistent with Storms proposed process. Storms has
long said on this blog that his theory was
reaction.
Bob
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I interpret Rossi's discussion of the jet engine as referring to a turbine
generator and not an actual
dlrober...@aol.com
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I interpret Rossi's discussion of the jet engine as referring to a turbine
generator and not an actual aviation application.
Dave
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that Focardi was familiar with and apparently had access
to.
Bob
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From: Jones Beene
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From: Bob Cook
I would have said that Storms
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Apparently the mass spec and quadrupole are outside the experiment, and
could not have been contributory.
When they took those photos I think the mass spec quadrupole were sitting
there, not hooked into the experiment yet. I saw the quadrupole gadget
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Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Apparently the mass spec and quadrupole are outside the experiment, and
could not have been contributory.
When they took
Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
What is the quadrupole outside the experiment that you refer to. Is it
part of the mass spectrometer?
Look at the schematic on p. 7 and the photos on p. 8 here:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoTposterform.pdf
The schematic shows that you can take
From: Jed Rothwell
I have not seen new slides and I was not there for the lecture, but my
impression is they have now set up the mass spectrometer in a loop, where
the gas passes through the spectrometer into the cell, out again and around
and around.
The main reason that knowing (or
Quadrupole stimulation of nuclei is a long know way to excite nuclei. Is the
quadrupole device part of the experiment?..
Bob
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Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
Quadrupole stimulation of nuclei is a long know way to excite nuclei. Is
the quadrupole device part of the experiment?..
Look at the photos please. It is a box sitting off to the side, connected
to the cell with a pipe. (I assume it is a thin pipe, not
suspect they have
placed a chain around his neck to prevent helping competitors.
Dave
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Dave--
I assumed Rossi
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Bob, I agree that he could consider doing exactly what you describe and
perhaps one day that will happen. My response was due to what I read on his
blog when he was answering
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Dave--
I read his log about 2x per week. Over the years I have found Rossi to be
sincere and honest.
I suspect he has been in contact with Boeing and the jet
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:31 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It seems odd that they would work toward enhancing a jet engine instead of
producing the power plant directly. Why carry the jet fuel along if you
can make sufficient power to keep the air craft in the sky for an
Here is some more information which comes out of the MIT colloquium on what
could be a major advance in the making. This information is third hand, so
it needs to be confirmed.
Let's hope that Jed can use his considerable influence to get hold of this
paper, which is an update and significant
This appears to be the new venture which is sponsoring Dr Mizuno's work
these days...
http://cleanplanet.co.jp/ourTeam.php?lang=en
Apparently Mr Igari presented for Mizuno. He was said to be very impressive
and informed about the details.
It is said that one the wealthiest men in Japan is
DGT is also a validation of Rossi, don't you think?
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
This appears to be the new venture which is sponsoring Dr Mizuno's work
these days...
http://cleanplanet.co.jp/ourTeam.php?lang=en
Apparently Mr Igari presented for
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
...not to mention the validation of Rossi - who may have already witnessed
the higher power and higher COP, but we cannot be sure of Rossi - whereas
this looks solid and professional.
I'm glad to see that Mizuno might be
From: Axil
DGT is also a validation of Rossi, don't you think?
Possibly, but no one knows. They have presented interesting claims,
especially the magnetic claim - but the scientific data is basically limited
to one joint paper in which Kim says he did not actually validate the data.
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