Re: [Vo]:Passive High Temperature Convective Thermal Control

2013-06-25 Thread James Bowery
No the LFTR passive control to which I refer is the fact that when the power load on the reactor lowers, the temperature rises in the liquid fluoride thorium salt which, in turn, causes it to expand. Since the salt is at critical mass, any expansion takes it below criticality which nonlinearly

Re: [Vo]:Passive High Temperature Convective Thermal Control

2013-06-24 Thread James Bowery
First of all, variable conductance is not to the point. The issue is not whether one can vary the conductance or anything else -- rather the issue is the _control_ of that variance. Secondly, the technology you describe involves a solid phase. My request was for a cite of prior art for the

Re: [Vo]:Passive High Temperature Convective Thermal Control

2013-06-24 Thread Axil Axil
*rather the issue is the _control_ of that variance.* As I understand your intent, your interest is the passive control of the variance. It seems to me, that if there is a mechanism of parameter control in the operation of the reactor, control of that parameter can be either active or passive

Re: [Vo]:Passive High Temperature Convective Thermal Control

2013-06-22 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:15:37 -0400 (EDT): Hi, A couple of weeks ago I gave Rossi a relatively cheap and simple method of achieving fine control over the cooling. I am waiting to see if he implements it. [snip] That sounds like a good material for Rossi to

Re: [Vo]:Passive High Temperature Convective Thermal Control

2013-06-22 Thread James Bowery
If you have indeed come up with something that is as elegant as the passive power output from LFTR for the E-Cat HT, my apologies for misunderstanding your proposal and my congratulations. Can you cite any patent numbers that use this sort of passive temperature control using Li heat pipes? Can

Re: [Vo]:Passive High Temperature Convective Thermal Control

2013-06-22 Thread Axil Axil
*http://www.thermacore.com/products/variable-conductance-heat-pipe.aspx* ** *Heat pipes have this ability for Variable Conductance, here is what thermacore does. * ** *How Does a Variable Conductance Heat Pipe Work?* All heat pipes can be made variable conductance by introducing a small mass of

[Vo]:Passive High Temperature Convective Thermal Control

2013-06-21 Thread James Bowery
Systems like the LFTR have passive high temperature thermal control based on thermal expansion of a near-critical mass density. As the temperature increases, thermal expansion produces a rapid drop in power production thereby stabilizing the reactor core. Systems like the E-Cat HT are solid

Re: [Vo]:Passive High Temperature Convective Thermal Control

2013-06-21 Thread Axil Axil
*A *lithium heat pipe provides enough thermal capacity and power transfer density than you could ever want or need. Gravity is not a factor. The heat transfer can be controlled by a temperature regulation of the liquid lithium return flow. More flow results in more cooling through heat transfer

Re: [Vo]:Passive High Temperature Convective Thermal Control

2013-06-21 Thread David Roberson
-Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Jun 21, 2013 9:03 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Passive High Temperature Convective Thermal Control A lithiumheat pipe providesenough thermal capacity and power transfer density than you could ever

Re: [Vo]:Passive High Temperature Convective Thermal Control

2013-06-21 Thread Axil Axil
]:Passive High Temperature Convective Thermal Control *A *lithium heat pipe provides enough thermal capacity and power transfer density than you could ever want or need. Gravity is not a factor. The heat transfer can be controlled by a temperature regulation of the liquid lithium return flow

Re: [Vo]:Passive High Temperature Convective Thermal Control

2013-06-21 Thread James Bowery
You sacrificed passive control without acknowledging that was the goal of my proposal. On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: *A *lithium heat pipe provides enough thermal capacity and power transfer density than you could ever want or need. Gravity is not a

Re: [Vo]:Passive High Temperature Convective Thermal Control

2013-06-21 Thread James Bowery
You must not be much of an engineer if you are so willing to blow off explicit mention of passive control, Axil. Do you have any engineering background in critical systems -- by which I mean systems that, if they fail, they kill people? I do and they didn't. On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 10:21 PM,

Re: [Vo]:Passive High Temperature Convective Thermal Control

2013-06-21 Thread Axil Axil
A passive thermostat that reduces the flow of lithium liquid in a heat pipe is what you were after. It uses the same passive expansion mechanism that is used in the LFTR. What is the problem? On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:26 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: You must not be much of