Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-13 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
In prompto of your argument I try to get a discussion about especially the nature of charge and that of a charge at a orbitsphere. Maybe you'll find the argument interessting, have fun! Hi, Many people have fundamental issues with accepting that the law of the atom is following a non smooth rule

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-12 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
Nice pictures! With data fitted theory you still can make predictions when you interpolate, I use it all the time. No need to throw away anything. But it is dishonest of society to ignore Mills, as I pointed out there is nothing written that are pointing towards an error e.g. ed. 2014 page 12

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-12 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe stefan.ita...@gmail.com wrote: Yep, this is exactly the problem, you have two incomplete models that same the same thing. It's a mystery ... Allow me to point to some additional, beautiful images of excited Rydberg states that one will

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-12 Thread Ron Wormus
Axil, Some of the best evidence for Mill's hydrinos come form his plasma experiments...no condensed matter involved. Ron --On Sunday, January 11, 2015 11:38 AM -0500 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The lack of proof that anti-hydrinos exist tells me that the hydrino is not a

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Axil Axil
The lack of proof that anti-hydrinos exist tells me that the hydrino is not a fundamental particle but a quasi-particle produced under the interactions of other multiple electrons. This is also true for cooper pairs of electrons. A fundamental particle always has an anti-particle. This hydrino

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
The hydrino is a variant of the hydrogen atom. It is never claimed by Mills to be a fundamental particle. Hence it needs so low energy so that you can maintain the bound You can't find it using collisions of high energy, which is where most bucks these days is targeted at. If you knock the hydrino

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
Yes or even better, KISS = KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID. this is what I'm head banging to. On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 6:07 PM, leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote: *Experimental evidence always trumps theory.* *I need that on a bumpersticker. * On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 8:19 AM,

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Axil Axil
Quantum mechanics applies to fundamental particles. A special case of QM applies to hydrinos in the same why that a special case of QM applies to cooper pairs of electrons, CQM is analogous to super conductor theory. Care in thinking must be applied to applying this sort of theory.

[Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread pjvannoorden
Hello Stefan I couldnt agree more with what you say. It is really strange that almost nobody is looking into the theory of R.Mills. I presented Mills theory a few years ago to a Nobel price winner in the Netherlands. He got angry. Somehow Quantum Physics took the wrong way. It was really at

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread leaking pen
*Experimental evidence always trumps theory.* *I need that on a bumpersticker. * On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 8:19 AM, pjvannoor...@caiway.nl wrote: Hello Stefan I couldnt agree more with what you say. It is really strange that almost nobody is looking into the theory of R.Mills. I

RE: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Jones Beene
From: pjvannoor...@caiway.nl I couldnt agree more with what you say. It is really strange that almost nobody is looking into the theory of R.Mills. That is not correct. Several commenters here give Mills some credit - at least partial credit. But maybe we are “nobodies” so OK, no

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread James Bowery
See Goedecke's 1964 paper. On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe stefan.ita...@gmail.com wrote: The thing this is a mystery, How come you get so good and accurate results from both the theories, if you are correct they would be an epsilon appart and the first thing

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread David Roberson
Message- From: Stefan Israelsson Tampe stefan.ita...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Jan 11, 2015 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant The thing this is a mystery, How come you get so good and accurate results from both the theories, if you are correct they would

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
The thing this is a mystery, How come you get so good and accurate results from both the theories, if you are correct they would be an epsilon appart and the first thing theoretical physics should do is to try understand this epsilon and be able to deduce it, i tried, and could not find that

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
stefan.ita...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Jan 11, 2015 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant The thing this is a mystery, How come you get so good and accurate results from both the theories, if you are correct they would be an epsilon appart and the first thing

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
Israelsson Tampe stefan.ita...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Jan 11, 2015 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant The thing this is a mystery, How come you get so good and accurate results from both the theories, if you are correct they would be an epsilon appart

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 9:07 AM, leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote: Experimental evidence always trumps theory. I need that on a bumpersticker. I might want one of those. Eric

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2015-01-11 Thread pjvannoorden
wanted to look into it theory of R.Mills. I tried for about 10 years! Peter From: Jones Beene Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 6:55 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Re: QM rant From: pjvannoor...@caiway.nl I couldnt agree more with what you say. It is really strange that almost

[Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread pjvannoorden
: Sunday, January 11, 2015 11:06 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe stefan.ita...@gmail.com wrote: Did you read my last email? Rathke stated a critique, Mills answered it. Interesting PDF file. It has Mills

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
Did you look at the address, goes to blacklight power!!! If you does not trust the rebutal, let me than explain what the problem with rathkes paper is. Mills patches solution to the Maxwell equation inside and outside the sphere, or an ellipsoid if the hydrogene is moving, The patch is so that

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
Did you read my last email? Rathke stated a critique, Mills answered it. To me that doesn't look like Mills is mute. You would not get a debate like a presidential debate though, that's a stupid way to debate. No there would of cause be an exchange of letters postings or papers. Mills has indeed

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe stefan.ita...@gmail.com wrote: Did you read my last email? Rathke stated a critique, Mills answered it. Interesting PDF file. It has Mills as the author, and it talks about Mills in the third person. Looks like ghostwriting, but

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
Yep, this is exactly the problem, you have two incomplete models that same the same thing. It's a mystery, Mills did research a lot of how QM has been used and claim to found serious iissues. But I'm not too sure that they are incomplete either, there are a bunch of math theorems that states that

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe stefan.ita...@gmail.com wrote: Did you look at the address, goes to blacklight power!!! I have no reason to doubt that the rebuttal came from Blacklight Power. My guess is that an employee or fan wrote it up, and Mills signed off on it,

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe stefan.ita...@gmail.com wrote: It is a shame that we don't have a serious heated debate between nobell lauriates and Mills regarding these matters, it would be a great show. In stead there is a speaking nothing. Mills would not say