At 12:07 AM 6/18/2011, Rich Murray wrote:
Say, you two, what do you mean by, Well, Rich, your underpants are
showing. ?
I asking, because I don't get it...
It means that your personal bias is visible, what's underneath your opinions.
I meant that I'm sure there's no excess heat in the
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Sent: Wed, June 15, 2011 10:58:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative
At 02:30 PM 6/14/2011, Harry Veeder wrote:
Since the Widom-Larsen theory explains the positive results,
can it also explain the negative results. A good theory should
On 2011-06-17 04:57, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
I'd say, so far, so good. Let's hope he gets some decent answers.
Krivit's preliminary report has been harshly criticized by Rossi:
* * *
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360cpage=12#comment-46645
Dear Mr Rossi,
Can you respond to
If the Rossi units heat water to the boiling point, it can be used to heat homes...we can collectively nail down specifics on output by the time these units are made available for 'field testing' inside homes and offices. Our network in D.C. will pin down either the Greek or Italian embassy to
Krivit extorted Levi?!? Did he leave his meds at home?
T
.
Interesting...
-Mark
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From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 5:05 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative
Krivit extorted Levi?!? Did he leave his meds at home?
T
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
That's ridiculous... I highly doubt that Krivit did anything like that...
What is more likely is
that Levi misunderstood something that Krivit said due to the language
barrier. Steve mentioned in
his report that he
From Terry:
Krivit extorted Levi?!?
I doubt that.
Nevertheless, it would seem obvious that both Levi and Rossi are
pissed off as a result of their contact with Krivit. At present we
don't know why. We don't know the specifics. Perhaps Krivit will
eventually clarify his POV on this matter at
On 2011-06-17 16:22, Mark Iverson wrote:
That's ridiculous... I highly doubt that Krivit did anything like that... What
is more likely is
that Levi misunderstood something that Krivit said due to the language barrier.
Steve mentioned in
his report that he felt Levi had trouble understanding
At 05:45 AM 6/17/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
On 2011-06-17 04:57, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
I'd say, so far, so good. Let's hope he gets some decent answers.
Krivit's preliminary report has been harshly criticized by Rossi:
Look, it's obvious: Rossi is either crazy, or
crazy like a fox.
Abd wrote:
I understand that Rossi has reasons to avoid making everything plain and
clear.
However, that doesn't allow him to impugn the integrity of a journalist. It
makes him an asshole, even if he turns out to be a rich one.
I suspect Rossi and Levi also feel their integrity has been
At 11:38 AM 6/17/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Regarding that, this an open letter (in English) from Giuseppe
Levi to Steven Krivit that just got posted on 22passi (I feel it
might be subject to slight grammer/wording changes, so I'm not
copy/pasting it here). It appears that he is not pleased
Harry wrote:
Abd wrote:
I understand that Rossi has reasons to avoid making everything plain and
clear.
However, that doesn't allow him to impugn the integrity of a journalist. It
makes him an asshole, even if he turns out to be a rich one.
I suspect Rossi and Levi also
About those pseudoskeptics who doubt the dryness of the steam. Why they do
not just boil water on the stove and then calculate the energy concumption
from water used. If the setup resembles Rossi's setup, then it would be
child's play to calculate probable error margins.
—Jouni
How easy is it really to get steam from 300 Watts only? The difference
between 12kW and 300W must be obvious, even for the naked eye.
And no reports on input power? Is it measured at the plug, before
whatever electronics he uses? Or at the input in the reactor? If the
latest and if that is
On 11-06-17 02:20 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Krivit has raised valid questions, no doubt about it. I'm not claiming
there are no answers, but to attack him merely for asking? That's
beyond the pale.
Maybe. It's also typical of charlatans.
The saga of Rossi and the Reactors has
The question was: are these 800 W the heating power for on or more Ecat?
Passerini says that the current of 3.5 A (= 800 W) is related to one Ecat:
Se scrivo l'E-Cat in funzione e non gli E-Cat in funzione ci sarà un motivo
no!?
(If I am writing E-Cat functioning and not E-Cats functioning,
On 11-06-17 01:36 PM, Roarty, Francis X wrote:
OK, Everyone appears to be angry at Krivit but to be fair to the guy his line
of questioning did seem to get back directly to the point where we left it on
Vortex - My recollection was that we decided the steam measurement was an
unreliable
by Krivit's visit changed your opinion at
all? Good or bad...
-Mark
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From: Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com]
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 10:36 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative
OK, Everyone appears
1) Does Levi, et.al., understand the importance of the dry steam issue?
They may be afraid to think about this show-stopping issue.
2) If the answer to #1 is YES, then do you feel that adequate care was taken
in the tests we've seen
to establish that the steam was truly dry?
Maybe they're
On 2011-06-15 00:47, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
A week of news is incoming, apparently:
http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/06/e-cat-settimana-di-novita-in-arrivo.html
More Google-translated info from 22passi:
http://goo.gl/FvMnO
Cheers,
S.A.
At 03:43 PM 6/17/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
About those pseudoskeptics who doubt the dryness of the steam. Why
they do not just boil water on the stove and then calculate the
energy concumption from water used. If the setup resembles Rossi's
setup, then it would be child's play to calculate
At 04:04 PM 6/17/2011, you wrote:
How easy is it really to get steam from 300 Watts only? The difference
between 12kW and 300W must be obvious, even for the naked eye.
I'd say that this is quite a naive understanding. First of all, what
was the *peak* heating for that 12 kW result? The Ny
At 05:41 PM 6/17/2011, Rich Murray wrote:
3) Has this recent exchange caused by Krivit's visit changed your
opinion at all? Good or bad...
It's made me more sure that there is no excess heat.
Well, Rich, your underpants are showing.
So to speak.
Excess heat in nickel-hydrogen is not
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
If I remember correctly, Mats Lewan weighted the water that was condensated
in the hose.
Lewan and I discussed that. As I recall he did not weigh it, and he did not
take the temperature. That would be a sparge test. Then end of the hose was
too far
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Well, Rich, your underpants are showing.
For which you can be thrown off an airplane.
Rossi, if nothing else and even if he turns out to be as phony as a
three-dollar bill, may have gotten us off our collective duffs. I think that
the
Say, you two, what do you mean by, Well, Rich, your underpants are showing. ?
I asking, because I don't get it...
I meant that I'm sure there's no excess heat in the Rossi devices, and
I mean it when I said I regret that.
I prefer to state that I'm sure, rather than hedge my bets.
I imagine
Hi,
On 16-6-2011 2:46, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
On 2011-06-16 02:37, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
The black wrapping first appeared on the vertical column the mini eCat
-- see the March experiment by Kullander and Essén.
It's shown partly unwrapped at
http://lenr.qumbu.com/110406-c-Img+4+OUTPUT.jpg
Some kind of aerogel?
http://www.aerogel.com/markets/industrial-hot-products.html
mic
Il giorno 16/giu/2011 12:00, Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.com ha
scritto:
Hi,
On 16-6-2011 2:46, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
On 2011-06-16 02:37, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
The black wrapping first appeared on
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Krivit's previous blog entry is a doozy:
http://blog.newenergytimes.**com/2011/06/06/cold-fusion-**
may-ye-rest-in-peace/http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/06/cold-fusion-may-ye-rest-in-peace/
On 2011-06-15 00:47, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
A week of news is incoming, apparently:
http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/06/e-cat-settimana-di-novita-in-arrivo.html
A couple more photos from the latest blogpost there:
Short link: http://goo.gl/x50lj
-Original Message-
From: Akira Shirakawa
A couple more photos from the latest blogpost there:
Short link: http://goo.gl/x50lj
Well, the pessimists amongst us will opine that this is looking worse and
worse as an decent energy solution, especially compared to solar or wind.
Most
On 2011-06-16 22:53, Jones Beene wrote:
[...]
The device is drawing 800 watts electrical and producing 2.5 kW heat with an
investment of $5000 and a lifetime before refueling of 5000 hours. This
makes the cost of low grade heat about triple the cost of solar electricity
(or much more), if you
On the meter you read 3.5A so electrical input power is:
3.5A x 230 V 800W
mic
2011/6/16 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
Jones Beene wrote:
Well, the pessimists amongst us will opine that this is looking worse and
worse as an decent energy solution, especially compared to solar or
Well, aside from the issue of whether or not this is AC, in which case the RMS
would be lower - we should await more data and clarification - especially if
there is the possibility that this is electrical input is powering more than
one E-Cat.
-Original Message-
From: Michele Comitini
On 2011-06-16 23:00, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Jones: I don't follow what is being said here. I am having difficulty
understanding the Google-translation. Can you briefly summarize what
Daniel said did here, and why you draw these conclusions?
I see from the photo it has to do with a meter but I
Akira Shirakawa wrote:
A quick-ish human translation:
* * *
Last Tuesday in Bologna, by request of Mats Lewan, I documented with
my Nikon [photocamera] the electric current measurements with a
current probe on every power supply cable conductor - brown (live),
blue (neutral) yellow-green
At 03:56 PM 6/16/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Krivit's previous blog entry is a doozy:
On 2011-06-16 23:41, Jed Rothwell wrote:
[...]
So this high power input is a concern but we cannot draw a firm
conclusion from it yet.
Do I have that right?
Yes, basically the point is that the meter shows a high power draw (~800
W) compared to last time (~350 W, see the April reports by Ny
On 2011-06-16 23:53, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Yes, basically the point is that...
Passerini just added a clarifying note in the comments:
- Only one E-Cat was being tested
- Rossi was testing special settings which could have determined the
increased power consumption. Reportedly, during
At 04:53 PM 6/16/2011, Jones Beene wrote:
The device is drawing 800 watts electrical and producing 2.5 kW heat with an
investment of $5000 and a lifetime before refueling of 5000 hours. This
makes the cost of low grade heat about triple the cost of solar electricity
(or much more), if you
On 2011-06-14 08:20, Peter Gluck wrote:
My friend Steve Krivit is in Italy investigating the E-cat
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/14/solving-the-mystery-of-the-energy-catalzyer/
The E-cat has more unknowns, hopefully after Steve's visit their number
will be smaller
Krivit posted a
Oh, oh... what is the water flow?
How is the hose draped from device to sink?
What are the heights of the device water output and the edge of the sink?
How much water might be in the 3 m black hose that wasn't in the end
that was lifted above the sink and drained?
Seems necessary to have a
At 08:46 PM 6/16/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Krivit posted a preliminary report here a while ago:
Short URL: http://goo.gl/7jVM6
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/16/preliminary-report-of-interviews-with-e-cat-trio-rossi-focardi-and-levi/
He doesn't sound very enthusiastic. My
Filli Rossi Pneumatica can have another meaning:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumatics
mic
2011/6/17 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com:
At 08:46 PM 6/16/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Krivit posted a preliminary report here a while ago:
Short URL: http://goo.gl/7jVM6
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From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, June 15, 2011 10:58:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's initiative
At 02:30 PM 6/14/2011, Harry Veeder wrote:
Since the Widom-Larsen theory explains
On 2011-06-15 00:47, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
A week of news is incoming, apparently:
http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/06/e-cat-settimana-di-novita-in-arrivo.html
More photos in this Google-translated link of the latest Blog entry from
22passi. For additional information it looks like we will
http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/06/quattro-gatti-e-sette-persone.html
Looks like AR has four EKits running simultaneously similar to the
plan for the 1MW reactor.
T
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/06/quattro-gatti-e-sette-persone.html
Looks like AR has four EKits running simultaneously similar to the
plan for the 1MW reactor.
Looks like 4 Ekits running in series with white rubber
Has the black wrapping replaced the tin foil or is the foil underneath?
What sort of material is black wrapping?
Harry
- Original Message
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, June 15, 2011 7:33:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's
At 05:20 PM 6/15/2011, Harry Veeder wrote:
Has the black wrapping replaced the tin foil or
is the foil underneath? What sort of material is black wrapping?
The black wrapping first appeared on the vertical
column the mini eCat -- see the March experiment by Kullander and Essén.
It's shown
On 2011-06-16 02:37, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
The black wrapping first appeared on the vertical column the mini eCat
-- see the March experiment by Kullander and Essén.
It's shown partly unwrapped at
http://lenr.qumbu.com/110406-c-Img+4+OUTPUT.jpg Looks like fancy duct tape.
It looks quite thick
At 02:15 PM 6/14/2011, Alan Fletcher wrote:
He sure is a hard-liner on the term Cold Fusion.
--
Krivit's previous blog entry is a doozy:
At 02:30 PM 6/14/2011, Harry Veeder wrote:
Since the Widom-Larsen theory explains the positive results,
can it also explain the negative results. A good theory should be
able to do both.
I don't see W-L theory explaining positive results, at all. If so,
it's been very badly explained!
My friend Steve Krivit is in Italy investigating the E-cat
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/14/solving-the-mystery-of-the-energy-catalzyer/
The E-cat has more unknowns, hopefully after Steve's visit their number will
be smaller
Vederemo!
Peter
--
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
On 2011-06-14 08:20, Peter Gluck wrote:
My friend Steve Krivit is in Italy investigating the E-cat
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/14/solving-the-mystery-of-the-energy-catalzyer/
The E-cat has more unknowns, hopefully after Steve's visit their number
will be smaller
Daniele Passerini
Krivit's previous blog entry is a doozy:
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/06/cold-fusion-may-ye-rest-in-peace/
I hope that Rossi allows Krivit to make independent measurements.
- Jed
I also hope Rossi allows Steve Krivit to make independent measurements. We
all know that Steve is not going to give Rossi a free pass. He will take as
close a look as possible at Rossi's device and then render his opinion
regarding its validity.
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Jed Rothwell
He sure is a hard-liner on the term Cold Fusion.
Krivit's previous blog entry is a doozy:
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/06/cold-fusion-may-ye-rest-in-peace/
Since the Widom-Larsen theory explains the positive results,
can it also explain the negative results. A good theory should be able to do
both.
Harry
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, June 14, 2011 10:21:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Steve Krivit's
Even if LENR is found to ulimately not be fusion and rather is other
weak atomic forces interacting, it may be commonly known as cold
fusion' in colloquial terms. In any case, all this talk about what to
name the field will be overshowed by technological developments, if
Rossi actually has
On 2011-06-14 11:55, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Daniele Passerini (22passi) is also in Bologna today.
Hopefully we will have interesting news soon.
A week of news is incoming, apparently:
http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/06/e-cat-settimana-di-novita-in-arrivo.html
Cheers,
S.A.
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