Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Oil Price.com features Brillouin CF Reactor

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Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Oil Price.com features Brillouin CF Reactor

2012-04-24 Thread David Roberson
@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Apr 24, 2012 2:50 pm Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Oil Price.com features Brillouin CF Reactor Brillouin expects the test of the new Hot Tube model at SRI will be capable of delivering steam at temperatures from 400ºC to 500ºC (750-932ºF). This means that SRI will build

RE: [Vo]:Oil Price.com features Brillouin CF Reactor

2012-04-24 Thread Jones Beene
Well, the short answer is instantaneous. The Brillo boys are using a variant of W-L theory, which to the thinking of many of us has more holes than Dunkin’ – since neutrons activate everything in the surroundings … but with a curious twist. That twist makes it fully falsifiable - and if it proves

Re: [Vo]:Oil Price.com features Brillouin CF Reactor

2012-04-24 Thread David Roberson
of helium. That would help to clarify the data. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Apr 24, 2012 4:39 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Oil Price.com features Brillouin CF Reactor Well, the short answer is instantaneous

Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Oil Price.com features Brillouin CF Reactor

2012-04-24 Thread Mark Gibbs
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: What gives the Rossi type reactor its power is the secret sauce and the Rossi reaction is different from and more powerful than the Brillouin reaction. Considering that Rossi hasn't revealed how the E-Cat system works I

RE: [Vo]:Oil Price.com features Brillouin CF Reactor

2012-04-24 Thread pagnucco
How does the initiating step differ from the electron-capture proposed in W-L papers? Hasn't someone here rebutted the physics of e-c capture? Not freshly minted? Jones Beene wrote: Well, the short answer is instantaneous. The Brillo boys are using a variant of W-L theory, which to the

Re: [Vo]:Oil Price.com features Brillouin CF Reactor

2012-04-24 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:39:12 -0700: Hi, Note that enhanced electron capture is also a characteristic of Hydrino capture or Horace's theory. The difference being that with these theories the electron capture happens either concurrent with or after the proton

Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Oil Price.com features Brillouin CF Reactor

2012-04-24 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 12:48 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I have not seen any reference to transformation of nickel to copper as Rossi claims and I was wondering if anyone else has seen any references. Why would all of the freshly minted neutrons collect with protons only

Re: [Vo]:Oil Price.com features Brillouin CF Reactor

2012-04-24 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 7:18 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Hasn't someone here rebutted the physics of e-c capture? The rebuttals I've seen involve the p + e- - n + v reaction that is usually understood to occur between an inner shell electron and a proton in a nucleus, or of the heavy

Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Oil Price.com features Brillouin CF Reactor

2012-04-24 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: But this statement from Wikipedia could lead one to wonder whether the cathode (nickel, palladium, tungsten, etc.) is the secret catalyst: I'm using cathode too broadly here -- I mean the metal substrate within which

[Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it...

2012-02-13 Thread Alain Sepeda
http://motls.blogspot.com/2012/02/cold-fusion-colloquium-at-cern.html?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+LuboMotlsReferenceFrame+%28Lubos+Motl%27s+reference+frame%29utm_content=Google+Reader Motl is very rough agains CF, and seems not aware of SPAWAR, and other replication

Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it...

2012-02-13 Thread Peter Gluck
-colloquium-at-cern.html?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+LuboMotlsReferenceFrame+%28Lubos+Motl%27s+reference+frame%29utm_content=Google+Reader Motl is very rough agains CF, and seems not aware of SPAWAR, and other replication. please, don't be aggressive, he have strong

Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it...

2012-02-13 Thread Eric Walker
://motls.blogspot.com/2012/02/cold-fusion-colloquium-at-cern.html?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+LuboMotlsReferenceFrame+%28Lubos+Motl%27s+reference+frame%29utm_content=Google+Reader Motl is very rough agains CF, and seems not aware of SPAWAR, and other replication. please, don't

Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it...

2012-02-13 Thread Alain Sepeda
=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+LuboMotlsReferenceFrame+%28Lubos+Motl%27s+reference+frame%29utm_content=Google+Reader Motl is very rough agains CF, and seems not aware of SPAWAR, and other replication. please, don't be aggressive, he have strong ego, strong competence, but few moderation in his

Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it...

2012-02-13 Thread Daniel Rocha
=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+LuboMotlsReferenceFrame+%28Lubos+Motl%27s+reference+frame%29utm_content=Google+Reader Motl is very rough agains CF, and seems not aware of SPAWAR, and other replication. please, don't be aggressive, he have strong ego, strong competence, but few

Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it...

2012-02-13 Thread GJB
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it... Peter is right. Ignore him is the best thing, although  it is hard. He was banned(sort of) from Harvard due his strong opinions  on women and  black

Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it...

2012-02-13 Thread Alain Sepeda
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it... Peter is right. Ignore him is the best thing, although it is hard. He was banned(sort of) from Harvard due his strong opinions on women and black people. He's been unemployed for around 5 years because

Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it...

2012-02-13 Thread Roarty, Francis X
His career will suffer for poor timing, while other respected skeptics are retiring from the field in the face of the growing evidence, they are letting the young blood charge forward to take their place under the oncoming bus. Although there was once good reason to be skeptical those reasons

Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it...

2012-02-13 Thread Daniel Rocha
He thinks males are smarter, blacks are the dumbest, gypsies are the most annoying race(also very dumb), jews are at the top of human species. 2012/2/13 Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com His career will suffer for poor timing, while other “respected” skeptics are retiring from the

Re: [Vo]:Lubos motll, physicis talk of CERN CF conference, and bash it...

2012-02-13 Thread Alain Sepeda
I don't feel that “respected” skeptics are retiring from the field in the face of the growing evidence... you should read Judith Curry... in fact it seems that, fair or not, the history is tumbling... first rats start to flee the drowning boat... anyway, about LM, I've always been shocked by his

[Vo]:FYI: CF claims at MIT IAP was 80mW not high COP... no change..

2012-02-05 Thread Alain Sepeda
abour recent claim of coldfusion experiement in MIT IAP http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/04/lenr-researchers-reject-significance-of-swartzs-claim/ it seems the claims ils much less interesting that we heard. few minutes, few milliwatts, no change. maybe I missed the point,

RE: [Vo]:FYI: CF claims at MIT IAP was 80mW not high COP... no change..

2012-02-05 Thread danieldi...@gmail.com
: Vortex List Assunto: [Vo]:FYI: CF claims at MIT IAP was 80mW not high COP... no change.. abour recent claim of coldfusion experiement in MIT IAP http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/04/lenr-researchers-reject-significance-of-swartzs-claim/ it seems the claims ils much less interesting that we

Re: [Vo]:FYI: CF claims at MIT IAP was 80mW not high COP... no change..

2012-02-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: abour recent claim of coldfusion experiement in MIT IAP http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/04/lenr-researchers-reject-significance-of-swartzs-claim/ it seems the claims ils much less interesting that we heard. few minutes, few milliwatts, no

Re: [Vo]:The Believers - Documentary about CF History.

2012-02-01 Thread Randy Wuller
Vortex: By coincidence I will be in Chicago on the 11th and in the Spirit of the year of Cold Fusion :) I thought I would go see the film. Anyone from the Vortex planning to attend the event. Just Curious. Ransom http://www.137films.org/NewsDetailPage/Work-in-progress-screening. The

[Vo]:The Antagonists - Documentary about CF History.

2012-01-31 Thread James Bowery
The Antagonists is a better-directed epithet. Although pseudo-skeptics does capture an important dimension of the crime against humanity, it doesn't get as close to the heart of the matter. Perhaps a phrase involving establishment would be even better. The Inquisitors might be better than The

RE: [Vo]:The Antagonists - Documentary about CF History.

2012-01-31 Thread Jones Beene
What about a sequel called the Agonists ... a documentary about the drama of ditto-skepticism on the vortex forum... up to the infamous Purge of 2012 ... Agony being the operative word and 'Agonism' being the political doctrine of embracing conflict and acknowledging the positive value of

Re: [Vo]:The Antagonists - Documentary about CF History.

2012-01-31 Thread James Bowery
To place any sort of mailing list purge in the same context as the purge of rational scientific discourse that occurred within 40 days and 40 nights of the cold fusion announcement by Fleischmann and Pons is making a galaxy out of a mole hill. On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Jones Beene

[Vo]:The Believers - Documentary about CF History.

2012-01-30 Thread Harry Veeder
- http://www.137films.org/NewsDetailPage/Work-in-progress-screening. The Believers test screening February 11 Work-in-Progress Screening of The Believers at The Gene Siskel Film Center If you've been waiting to see our new film, The Believers, now is your chance! The Chicago Council

Re: [Vo]:The Believers - Documentary about CF History.

2012-01-30 Thread Harry Veeder
sorry, the correct link is http://www.137films.org/NewsDetailPage/Work-in-progress-screening.aspx Harry On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: - http://www.137films.org/NewsDetailPage/Work-in-progress-screening. The Believers test screening

[Vo]:FYI : JP Biberian interview... 21 Chinese labs working on CF

2012-01-28 Thread Alain Sepeda
... note that he says too that Russian labs are on the domain too. there is a local CF conference advertised here... I says that Japanese are more tolerant with that kind of non consensual domain. he says that himself work on the domain without support nor funding, but without annoyance. about

Re: [Vo]:FYI : JP Biberian interview... 21 Chinese labs working on CF

2012-01-28 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: anyway just a remark, he says that 21 Chinese labs are working on the domain. Only 21? This is good. I can get my NicH heater at Walmart now. I despise Home Despot. T

Re: [Vo]:FYI : JP Biberian interview... 21 Chinese labs working on CF

2012-01-28 Thread Alain Sepeda
by the way, and an awful French nationalist [?] , I've informed Areva of defkalion test call... they will probably ignore it and answer politely.[?] stupidity is an option, and some take that option often. 2012/1/28 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Alain

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-16 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.comwrote: There is an example that is interesting. Gravitational wave detection. As a practical field was created more than 40 years ago and no detection has been done yet. Doesn't fit the question though, since the

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-16 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any examples of pathological science persisting 20 years without being properly debunked? Not to my knowledge. Unless you count things like water memory,

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-16 Thread Joshua Cude
, just as happened in 1989, when people still had reason to trust the judgement of PF. The reason CF-18 doesn't stand for cold fusion is most likely because cold fusion is illusory.

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-16 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Geocentrism took over 1000 years to debunk. But considering it was accepted by the mainstream, it was not a pathological science.

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-16 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-12-15 11:46 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com mailto:sa...@pobox.com wrote: Were those experiments done *before* or *after* onset of rigor mortis? Fresh cadavers-- and it was quite a while ago for the study I remember.

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:51 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: It's very difficult in the case of acupuncture to do blank controls; you know when someone sticks a needle in you. Yes, which makes testing sticking needles in you very difficult to test. But traditional Chinese

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 6:34 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote: ** As it happens, once breast cancer has metastasized into the bones it's considered stage 4, incurable by conventional means, so she may not have missed much by failing to have it properly diagnosed... It used to

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: As Stan Szpak says, scientists believe whatever you pay them to believe. Nice broad brush indictment which is mostly wrong. Consider Jonas Salk as an example -- he gave the world the Salk polio vaccine without royalties and without a patent. He is

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Normally I encourage people keep reading when they encounter difficulties and are confused, but in your case perhaps it was best to stop. Robust and credible results would not require anyone to read long and

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Robust and credible results would not require anyone to read long and convoluted papers numbering in the thousands. So you are looking for short, well-written, and highly convincing papers? Most people I know would say these two fit the bill:

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Robust and credible results would not require anyone to read long and convoluted papers numbering in the thousands. So you are looking for short, well-written, and highly

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-16 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
dismiss a paper or a discovery because I have difficulty understanding it. Thanks, I'll look. If you're looking for interesting CF papers, and if you're looking for papers that show evidence that the researchers knew what they were doing, you might take a look at this honker: http

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-16 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
or a discovery because I have difficulty understanding it. Thanks, I'll look. If you're looking for interesting CF papers, and if you're looking for papers that show evidence that the researchers knew what they were doing, you might take a look at this honker: http://www.google.ca/url?sa=trct

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: If you're looking for interesting CF papers, and if you're looking for papers that show evidence that the researchers knew what they were doing, you might take a look at this honker . . . A direct link: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-16 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Jed sez: ... (By the way, I did not love the challenge of making programs work in 4 kB, but I did meet it.) Back in the 70's I was hired by the State of Wisconsin to work on an IBM 360 Model 20, with 32k of memory. This was a mainframe computer. I was in charge of the edit check program that

RE: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-16 Thread Jones Beene
One point worth reiterating on this thread (although someone will be sure to get in the last bit of negativism) is about the bogus argument of Lawrence and Yugo . that belittles an LENR experiment which was only successful one time in ten, or produced only 68% gain at most. GET REAL . these

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-16 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: ** ** The Yugo-esque mentality of years past, firmly pronounced that quantum tunneling was either an observational error, or a freak exception of extremely low probability that will stay in the lab. Fast forward three

RE: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-16 Thread Jones Beene
From: Mary Yugo I think you're misreading my intent. I am only arguing against some people's apparent certainty regarding Rossi and Defkalion. Well, I completely agree that such certainty is both rampant - and misplaced (and sometimes silly). With one major caveat. Although Rossi has

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-16 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-12-16 05:27 PM, Jones Beene wrote: One point worth reiterating on this thread (although someone will be sure to get in the last bit of negativism) is about the bogus argument of Lawrence and Yugo ... that belittles an LENR experiment which was only successful one time in ten, You

RE: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-16 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
MY wrote: I can also determine if proper scientific method has most likely been followed. Rossi and Defkalion fail *miserably* in both categories I know about. You can't fail at something that you never agreed to achieve. Rossi has said from the out-set (i.e., January 2010) that he was

[Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Charles Hope
Are there any examples of pathological science persisting 20 years without being properly debunked? Are there any examples of new science remaining on the fringe for 20 years before being finally accepted into the mainstream?

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.comwrote: Are there any examples of pathological science persisting 20 years without being properly debunked? Are there any examples of new science remaining on the fringe for 20 years before being finally accepted into the

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
There is an example that is interesting. Gravitational wave detection. As a practical field was created more than 40 years ago and no detection has been done yet. The theoretical prediction of gravitational waves by Einstein happened about 90 years ago. He claimed it was an interesting theoretical

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On 16 December 2011 02:47, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Contrary to popular argument, science actually celebrates novelty and revolution, and scientists are not afraid of disruptive experiments; they crave them. Fame, glory, funding, and adoration come to those who make

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On 16 December 2011 02:56, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: There is an example that is interesting. Gravitational wave detection. This is also sad thing. Because once we had to chance to disprove Inflation theory once and for all by detecting gravitational wave signature of big

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any examples of pathological science persisting 20 years without being properly debunked? Not to my knowledge. Unless you count things like water memory, which may be real after all, and acupuncture and chiropractic, which seem to

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Daniel Rocha
No, that was not accepted very well at all. Only a small quantity of open minded theoretical physicists (most of them are considered fringe by the mainstream) are publishing papers just in case the phenomena exists but it will take a few more years to confirm it. 2011/12/15 Jouni Valkonen

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
Well, there is a reason why neutrinos travel faster than light and not other particles. Starships are not made of neutrinos so even if the results would be proven to be right for neutrinos it would not apply to conventional matter. Giovanni On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Jouni Valkonen

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude wrote: Contrary to popular argument, science actually celebrates novelty and revolution, and scientists are not afraid of disruptive experiments; they crave them. This is complete bullshit. Most scientists neither fear nor celebrate disruptive experiments. They do not give a

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On 16 December 2011 03:22, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: Well, there is a reason why neutrinos travel faster than light and not other particles. Starships are not made of neutrinos so even if the results would be proven to be right for neutrinos it would not apply to 

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Harry Veeder
Geocentrism took over 1000 years to debunk. The Law of CoE might take as long to debunk. Harry On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any examples of pathological science persisting 20 years

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Mary Yugo
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any examples of pathological science persisting 20 years without being properly debunked? Not to my knowledge. Unless you count things like water memory,

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Mary Yugo
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Joshua Cude wrote: Contrary to popular argument, science actually celebrates novelty and revolution, and scientists are not afraid of disruptive experiments; they crave them. This is complete bullshit. Most

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
It is not that simple. Relativity would not be completely dismissed by these superluminal results. We don't know yet what is going on exactly. SR and GR have been proven right in many instances and for large parameter spaces. Giovanni On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Jouni Valkonen

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On 16 December 2011 03:39, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: It is not that simple. Relativity would not be completely dismissed by these superluminal results. We don't know yet what is going on exactly. SR and GR have been proven right in many instances and for large parameter

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
You have to assume something funny about the mass of the neutrino no matter what even in Lorentz theory. You would still need infinite amounts of energy for a massive object to reach the speed of light. I don't see how switching to Lorentz theory would help to make a massive body going faster than

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On 16 December 2011 04:15, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see how switching to Lorentz theory would help to make a massive body going faster than light. I am sorry if you have trouble with the eye sight. This why it is more important to ask, why we have such a cosmic

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: You'd better hope it's not, says the water in my toilet, the water in the sewers, the water exposed to toxic metals in mines, and the water used to clean slaughter houses, after accidents, in mortuaries and infectious

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
I don't follow. Sorry if the neutrinos results are true we need to admit the violation of Lorentz-invariance is possible. How your creation of strong artificial fields would do that? How neutrinos accomplish the same? Can you explain? Giovanni On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Jouni Valkonen

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-12-15 08:33 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com mailto:lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any examples of pathological

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Mary Yugo
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote: ** Were those experiments done *before* or *after* onset of rigor mortis? Fresh cadavers-- and it was quite a while ago for the study I remember. As to MRI and CT studies of the same phenomenon, I'm pretty sure

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 15, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: The only metric that matters is moola. A memorable phrase with catchy alliteration. Many applications too. 8^) Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

2011-12-15 Thread Axil Axil
Abraham H. Maslow (1962), *Toward a Psychology of Being*: *I suppose it is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail.* On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence

Re: [Vo]:New Posting from Lattice Energy - LENR compared to CF

2011-12-14 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 6:26 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Joshua, I believe, Zawodny does explain the creation of ULM neutrons through the plasmonic creation of heavy electrons. See (slide 16) of http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/36/2010-Zawodny-AviationUnleashed.pdf That's not

[Vo]:The initial CF fraud

2011-12-14 Thread Alain Sepeda
Hi, I've found this article http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/mitcfreport.pdf by Eugene F. Mallove (chief science writer for the MIT News Office, when FleishmanPos paper make scandal) and inside (main story page 12) he cleary state, (with exhibits) that MIT have made a fraud , to

Re: [Vo]:The initial CF fraud

2011-12-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: and inside (main story page 12) he cleary state, (with exhibits) that MIT have made a fraud , to pretend they did not reproduce the FP experiment, and get no anomalous heat... it is his own accusation, and I'm not sure I can trust it without

[Vo]:New Posting from Lattice Energy - LENR compared to CF

2011-12-13 Thread pagnucco
Lattice Energy LLC-LENRs and Cold Fusion are Different Concepts - Dec 13 2011 http://dev2.slideshare.com/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llclenrs-and-cold-fusion-are-different-conceptsdec-13-2011

Re: [Vo]:New Posting from Lattice Energy - LENR compared to CF

2011-12-13 Thread Daniel Rocha
I don't know if anyone stopped to think that WL claims are much more spectacular than Rossi's. While Rossi's claims only refer to small black boxe(s), WL includes things that work with the ecat's super qualities plus that nearly all natural phenomena should include some LENR, almost like all

Re: [Vo]:New Posting from Lattice Energy - LENR compared to CF

2011-12-13 Thread Mary Yugo
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: I don't know if anyone stopped to think that WL claims are much more spectacular than Rossi's. While Rossi's claims only refer to small black boxe(s), WL includes things that work with the ecat's super qualities plus

Re: [Vo]:New Posting from Lattice Energy - LENR compared to CF

2011-12-13 Thread Daniel Rocha
The topic now is WL theory... Rossi's claims are just too shy in comparison. 2011/12/13 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: I don't know if anyone stopped to think that WL claims are much more spectacular than Rossi's.

Re: [Vo]:New Posting from Lattice Energy - LENR compared to CF

2011-12-13 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
The statement from Lattice Energy LLC strikes me as essentially saying: Accept no other theory than our own. IOW, product placement. If LE LLC eventually gets around to unveiling their own Dog Pony show, meaning the presentation of a product (or just a prototype), then by all means, let the

Re: [Vo]:New Posting from Lattice Energy - LENR compared to CF

2011-12-13 Thread Randy Wuller
, December 13, 2011 12:12 PM Subject: [Vo]:New Posting from Lattice Energy - LENR compared to CF Lattice Energy LLC-LENRs and Cold Fusion are Different Concepts - Dec 13 2011 http://dev2.slideshare.com/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llclenrs-and-cold-fusion-are-different-conceptsdec-13-2011

Re: [Vo]:New Posting from Lattice Energy - LENR compared to CF

2011-12-13 Thread Joshua Cude
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:12 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Lattice Energy LLC-LENRs and Cold Fusion are Different Concepts - Dec 13 2011 As usual, he points out 1) the absurdity of breaching the Coulomb barrier in ordinary fusion, which would take something approaching 100 keV for

Re: [Vo]:New Posting from Lattice Energy - LENR compared to CF

2011-12-13 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote: Members of the Vortex: I joined last night to address an issue raised by Maryyugo. Being a lawyer I really have no special expertise in the sciences and thus have little to offer on technical issue. Thus, not wanting to

Re: [Vo]:New Posting from Lattice Energy - LENR compared to CF

2011-12-13 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
left many observers with the distinct impression that certain corners of the CF field have a bone to pick. Much of the pickings seem to be blatant product placement. Accept no imitations other than our own brand. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:New Posting from Lattice Energy - LENR compared to CF

2011-12-13 Thread pagnucco
Joshua, I believe, Zawodny does explain the creation of ULM neutrons through the plasmonic creation of heavy electrons. See (slide 16) of http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/36/2010-Zawodny-AviationUnleashed.pdf I am unsure as to whether Zawodny is correct, but page 9 of INTENSE FOCUSING OF

[Vo]:Lewis Larsen interviewed on CF and WL theory

2011-12-06 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Larsen starts talking at 3:20: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVRLcC21F14

Re: [Vo]:New Italian video on CF.

2011-06-17 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-06-17 04:45, Harry Veeder wrote: New video in italian with some historical excerpts in english. As far as I can understand from comments in the blog where the video originally appeared, a version subtitled in english will be posted at a later time. Cheers, S.A.

[Vo]:New Italian video on CF.

2011-06-16 Thread Harry Veeder
New video in italian with some historical excerpts in english. Harry Low Energy Nuclear Revolution http://vimeo.com/25150844 by Giacomo Guidi 1 day ago1 day ago: Wed, Jun 15, 2011 3:24pm EST (Eastern Standard Time) Un ingegnere e uno scienziato presentano al pubblico un controverso

[Vo]:Steven Chu looks at LANR/CF

2011-06-13 Thread Harry Veeder
Steven Chu looks at Lattice-assisted Nuclear Reactions Cold Fusion http://the-explorer.com/steven-chu-looks-at-lattice-assisted-nuclear-reactions-cold-fusion/2011/3429583.html/ Was Chu at the conference on the weekend? Harry

Re: [Vo]:Steven Chu looks at LANR/CF

2011-06-13 Thread Rock_nj
That's big news for the fiel of LANR/LENR/Cold Fusion. Another sign that it is getting closer to the mainstream. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote: Steven Chu looks at Lattice-assisted Nuclear Reactions Cold Fusion

Re: [Vo]:Steven Chu looks at LANR/CF

2011-06-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: Steven Chu looks at Lattice-assisted Nuclear Reactions Cold Fusion http://the-explorer.com/steven-chu-looks-at-lattice-assisted-nuclear-reactions-cold-fusion/2011/3429583.html/ Was Chu at the conference on the weekend? Hey what? What is this article about, anyway? If

RE: [Vo]:Steven Chu looks at LANR/CF

2011-06-13 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Harry Veeder Was Chu at the conference on the weekend? No

Re: [Vo]:Steven Chu looks at LANR/CF

2011-06-13 Thread Harry Veeder
The story was posted by someone named tina: http://the-explorer.com/author/tina/ Harry   Jed Rothwell wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: Steven Chu looks at Lattice-assisted Nuclear Reactions Cold Fusion

Re: [Vo]:Steven Chu looks at LANR/CF

2011-06-13 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote: The story was posted by someone named tina: http://the-explorer.com/author/tina/ Tina provides no evidence that Chu even knows what LANRs are. There are no citations in the article. T

Re: [Vo]:Steven Chu looks at LANR/CF

2011-06-13 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote: The story was posted by someone named tina: http://the-explorer.com/author/tina/ Tina provides no evidence that Chu even knows what LANRs are.  

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