Re: [Vo]:Brief explanation of Volkswagen scandal technical details

Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > > Volkswagen will be required to implement corrective action at no cost > to the owner. > > > > Whenever I read or hear the words "...at no cost to the owner." Yeah, > right. > Why do you find that unbelievable? The fix will

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>From Jed: >>Volkswagen will be required to implement corrective action at no cost to >> the owner. >> >> Whenever I read or hear the words "...at no cost to the owner." Yeah, right. > Why do you find that unbelievable? The fix will be at no cost to present > owners. The cost will

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Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > Poor wording on my part. My sarcasm was meant to imply that, as you > pointed out, future VW customers and stockholders will bare the brunt of > mistakes made from past avoidances. > But not the present owners. HOWEVER, present

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The letter to VW from the EPA: http://www3.epa.gov/otaq/cert/documents/vw-nov-caa-09-18-15.pdf

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EPA announcement: http://www3.epa.gov/otaq/cert/violations.htm

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>From Jed: >EPA announcement: > >http://www3.epa.gov/otaq/cert/violations.htm Excerpt: How much will this cost to fix? Volkswagen will be required to implement corrective action at no cost to the owner. Whenever I read or hear the words "...at no cost to the owner."

Re: [Vo]:Brief explanation of Volkswagen scandal technical details

So, if the problem was the software, why they didn't fix it? Mark Jordan On 25-Sep-15 16:29, Jed Rothwell wrote: This is somewhat off-topic but . . . I have had trouble understanding the news reports about the Volkswagen scandal. I have not found a clear technical description of

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nated. > > Dave > > > > -Original Message- > From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2015 3:43 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Brief explanation of Volkswagen scandal technical details > > The EPA

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Lennart Thornros wrote: > > However, one cannot make laws / rules that are violating what is practical > if one is not prepared to pay the price. > The people who draft these rules are industry experts, recruited from the leading companies. In the U.S., regulatory agencies

Re: [Vo]:Brief explanation of Volkswagen scandal technical details

-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2015 5:10 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Brief explanation of Volkswagen scandal technical details Lennart Thornros <lenn...@thornros.com> wrote: Howeve

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MJ wrote: > So, if the problem was the software, why they didn't fix it? > The problem is not software. Software was used to cover up the problem. The problem is that when they run the motor in a mode that reduces NOx to levels allowed by the U.S. regulations, fuel

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The EPA test was detected by the VW if the rear wheels weren't spinning. A while back, Cadillac did the same thing but used a open hood as a indicator that a EPA test was underway. On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > This is somewhat off-topic but . . .

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lt;vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2015 3:43 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Brief explanation of Volkswagen scandal technical details The EPA test was detected by the VW if the rear wheels weren't spinning. A while back, Cadillac did the same thing but used a open hood as a indicator tha

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Please Jed, you think it was intentional and that the guy did not care if his product would kill people. Then I guess the problem is all solved. No more company will provide peanuts which are a risk to eat. I have not followed the case as detailed as you have. However, if he did the things you say

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Lennart Thornros wrote: Jed you are the eternal defender of regulations. No, it is not with consent. > Everyone with knowledge of industry and the history of commerce is a defender of regulations. Go back and read how things were before there were modern regulations, or go

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> From: Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2015 5:10 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Brief explanation of Volkswagen scandal technical details > > Lennart Thornros <lenn...@thornros.com> wrote: > &g

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Jed, I have been in those countries. Yes, the mortality rate from misc. things are higher than in the US. The factors are not to be found in the regulations. It is mostly other factors. Often third world countries adopt US or European regulations. The possibilities to avoid the legislation is by

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David Roberson wrote: > I hope and believe that he did not think that the peanut butter he was > producing would lead to any deaths. Perhaps he hoped it wouldn't lead to deaths. That would be stupid because he knew the peanuts were contaminated with salmonella, and anyone

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*** The ones that are equally dangerous, such as the recent batch of cucumbers, have also sickened or killed people. "Every year, Salmonella is estimated to cause one million illnesses in the United States, with 19,000 hospitalizations and 380 deaths." http://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/

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Some other info: A lab at West Virginia U. found the problem, working with a $50,000 grant. They have also tested a BMI, which was fine. That confirmed their method is correct. See: http://www.npr.org/2015/09/24/443053672/how-a-little-lab-in-west-virginia-caught-volkswagens-big-cheat The excess