From Robin,
...
Regarding the hydrino theory, my first impression would be to conclude
(with absolutely no math to back this conclusion up with) that not
enough hydrogen was consumed (into hydrinos) that would explain the
massive amount of heat recorded. I hope someone can clarify whether my
In reply to OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson's message of Thu, 7 Apr 2011
07:38:42 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
Maximally shrinking 0.11 gm of H2 would therefore yield 752 kWh of energy,
about ~30 times what was actually measured. Furthermore the calculation
of the
amount of Hydrogen measured assumes
From Jones:
...
... There is a mundane
explanation for both copper and iron so why invent a reaction that does
not
exist?
And that speculated mundane explanation is...
Out with it!
Hydrinos?
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Passing to Kullander a well shaked mix of ni and cu powder ? Too easy ?
Just mixing ni and cu powder and giving it to *Kullander for the *
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:41 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
From Jones:
...
... There is a mundane
The mundane reason for the appearance of iron an copper is electromigration.
This is actually expected. Copper and iron are both found in the apparatus
and they migrate to the powder. For it to be otherwise, an isotopic
imbalance must be present.
Even hydrinos would result in an isotopic
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From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 2:20 PM
Subject: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: It's a nuclear
reaction / The used powder contains ten percent copper
-Original Message-
From: SHIRAKAWA Akira
Thank you
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
The mundane reason for the appearance of iron an copper is
electromigration.
Where are the electric fields that would cause electromigration? There are
no fields in copper pipes as far as I know.
Kullander does say . . . it’s remarkable that nickel-58
On 04/06/2011 08:20 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
The Facts: There is evidence of the presence of copper but that is all. If
it were formed by transmutation some of it should be radioactive. In fact
there is a mundane explanation for the presence of copper
Dead on. In fact, as I recall, folks on
From Jones:
The mundane reason for the appearance of iron an[d] copper
is electromigration.
Seems like a reasonable conclusion to draw.
I must apologize for not being sufficiently clear as to what I was
really questioning: What is generating the massive amount of heat? I
gather the
On 04/06/2011 10:23 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net mailto:jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
The mundane reason for the appearance of iron an copper is
electromigration.
Where are the electric fields that would cause electromigration? There
are no fields in
One of the great things about this is that there is so much new
information here, it is taking me all morning to read and understand the
reports and photos. Usually, when I get a new paper, it is all stuff
that I have heard before. It is either a re-hash of previous reports, or
a repetition of
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
He *said* they measured the isotopes.
He said, specifically, the ratios for both nickel and copper didn't vary
from natural abundances: The isotopic analysis through ICP-MS *doesn’t
show any deviation from the natural isotopic composition* of
van Noorden
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From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: It's a nuclear
reaction / The used powder contains ten percent
If the reactor vessel is stainless steel, is the Cu migrating through
the walls of the vessel to contaminate the Ni?
T
-Original Message-
From: Steven V Johnson
Regarding the hydrino theory, my first impression would be to conclude...
that not enough hydrogen was consumed (into hydrinos) that would explain the
massive amount of heat recorded.
Right on! Steven. You get points for having been
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Essentially this is why I concocted the 'quark power' concept presented
recently.
I don't think you can sell the quark power theory to Hawking. :-)
T
From Stephen
...
It's more likely that Levi is in on the gag than that
transmutation from nickel to copper produced natural
isotope ratios in the ash. The former merely requires
the assumption that a few humans are acting unusually
stupid (which happens frequently). The latter requires
Stephen,
Urgent Addendum:
Just to be clear on this point, my speculation was pertaining to
whether you were now suspicious of the HEAT measurements. In truth I
must admit the fact that you seem to be questioning the isotopic
shifts, not the actual HEAT measurements. My apologies if I have
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
If the reactor vessel is stainless steel, is the Cu migrating through
the walls of the vessel to contaminate the Ni?
That is probably net necessary. It looks to me like a copper pipe, for heat
transfer, may go into the reactor itself. Plus, if I
From Jones
From: Terry Blanton
If the reactor vessel is stainless steel, is the Cu migrating through
the walls of the vessel to contaminate the Ni?
That is probably net necessary. It looks to me like a copper pipe, for heat
transfer, may go into the reactor itself. Plus, if I am not
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
If the reactor vessel is stainless steel, is the Cu migrating through
the walls of the vessel to contaminate the Ni?
That is probably net necessary. It looks to me like a
Message
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 10:53:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: It's a nuclear
reaction / The used powder contains ten percent copper
If the reactor vessel is stainless steel, is the Cu
]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: It's a nuclear
reaction / The used powder contains ten percent copper
Indeed from the link provided Akira it says:
The reactor itself, which is loaded with the nickel powder and secret
catalysts
pressurized with hydrogen, has an estimated volume of 50 cubic
On 04/06/2011 11:28 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
From Stephen
...
It's more likely that Levi is in on the gag than that
transmutation from nickel to copper produced natural
isotope ratios in the ash. The former merely requires
the assumption that a few humans are acting
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 6 Apr 2011 06:09:13 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Even hydrinos would result in an isotopic imbalance.
Actually, the ratio of Ni62/Ni64 is about the same as the ratio of Cu63/Cu65, so
adding a proton to Ni62 to give Cu63 and to Ni64 to give Cu65 would
automatically
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Wed, 6 Apr 2011 10:23:32 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Where are the electric fields that would cause electromigration? There are
no fields in copper pipes as far as I know.
...different metals form junctions. Two junctions at different temperatures will
form a
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Wed, 06 Apr 2011 22:25:21 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
OTOH I suppose we can assume that lots of copper migrated, a little
The problem with this is that the actual container holding the Ni is made of
steel, not copper. The Copper is a second outer container
In reply to OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson's message of Wed, 6 Apr 2011 09:30:21
-0500:
Hi,
[snip]
Regarding the hydrino theory, my first impression would be to conclude
(with absolutely no math to back this conclusion up with) that not
enough hydrogen was consumed (into hydrinos) that would
In reply to P.J van Noorden's message of Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:46:27 +0200:
Hi,
[snip]
The energy release of the hydrino producing reaction is 50 MJ/mol hydrogen
gas. The prefered reactionproduct seems to be H1/4.
See http://www.blacklightpower.com/papers/Eng%20Power050410S.pdf
So if 25 kWh is
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 6 Apr 2011 07:59:15 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
When you compare the amount of hydrogen lost compared to the energy
released, it works out to something like 100 keV per proton (but that can vary
depending on which Rossi quote you have) ... which is far less than
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