RE: [Vo]:Some personal thoughts on the recent Guide to the Cosmos Krivit interview

2010-05-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Now, Jed, consider what you've just pointed out. The editors at Scientific American got it seriously wrong. Do you expect the editors at Wikipedia to do better? No, I do not. Neither can be considered a reliable source of objective, scientific information, at

RE: [Vo]:Some personal thoughts on the recent Guide to the Cosmos Krivit interview

2010-05-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: You do know that the dyed-in-the-wool skeptics think the article is hopelessly biased toward cold fusion, right? Sure, and creationists think the Wikipedia article on evolution is hopelessly biased. However, they are wrong and their opinions count for nothing. In

RE: [Vo]:Some personal thoughts on the recent Guide to the Cosmos Krivit interview

2010-05-27 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:27 AM 5/27/2010, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: You do know that the dyed-in-the-wool skeptics think the article is hopelessly biased toward cold fusion, right? Sure, and creationists think the Wikipedia article on evolution is hopelessly biased. However, they are

RE: [Vo]:Some personal thoughts on the recent Guide to the Cosmos Krivit interview

2010-05-27 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:27 AM 5/27/2010, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: You do know that the dyed-in-the-wool skeptics think the article is hopelessly biased toward cold fusion, right? Sure, and creationists think the Wikipedia article on evolution is hopelessly biased. However, they are

RE: [Vo]:Some personal thoughts on the recent Guide to the Cosmos Krivit interview

2010-05-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: No argument can be settled and no progress made unless you abide by this rule: experiments are the only authority. There is a problem with your view, Jed. You are proposing an absolute standard for deciding issues but no mechanism for the decision. You left out

RE: [Vo]:Some personal thoughts on the recent Guide to the Cosmos Krivit interview

2010-05-27 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:28 PM 5/27/2010, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: No argument can be settled and no progress made unless you abide by this rule: experiments are the only authority. There is a problem with your view, Jed. You are proposing an absolute standard for deciding issues but no

RE: [Vo]:Some personal thoughts on the recent Guide to the Cosmos Krivit interview

2010-05-26 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jed sez: It would not surprise me if Krivit as he went about performing his investigations in preparation for NET#34 may have found himself on more than one occasion privately entertaining speculation as to whether certain CF scientists might have lied about the content of their data. He

Re: [Vo]:Some personal thoughts on the recent Guide to the Cosmos Krivit interview

2010-05-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
The things Krivit accuses researchers of doing can only be lies, not mistakes. They are too simple to be mistakes. And too blatant. For example, he claimed the Italians were repeatedly misrepresenting their numbers by a factor of 10, and that McKubre was publishing hugely different numbers in

Re: [Vo]:Some personal thoughts on the recent Guide to the Cosmos Krivit interview

2010-05-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:53 PM 5/25/2010, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: I spent a couple of days reviewing the Guide to the Cosmos interview with Steve Krivit. I was interested in comparing what was actually said versus what certain individuals within the Vort Collective seem to be implying Krivit

RE: [Vo]:Some personal thoughts on the recent Guide to the Cosmos Krivit interview

2010-05-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: does. Ask him! He is not shy about speculating or accusing people. I did ask him. Have you personally asked him that question? I haven't asked him anything lately. He told me he has added my e-mail address to his kill file, and unsubscribed to Vortex, so I

RE: [Vo]:Some personal thoughts on the recent Guide to the Cosmos Krivit interview

2010-05-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:35 AM 5/26/2010, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: Jed sez: It would not surprise me if Krivit as he went about performing his investigations in preparation for NET#34 may have found himself on more than one occasion privately entertaining speculation as to whether certain

Re: [Vo]:Some personal thoughts on the recent Guide to the Cosmos Krivit interview

2010-05-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:49 AM 5/26/2010, Jed Rothwell wrote: The things Krivit accuses researchers of doing can only be lies, not mistakes. They are too simple to be mistakes. And too blatant. For example, he claimed the Italians were repeatedly misrepresenting their numbers by a factor of 10, and that McKubre

Re: [Vo]:Some personal thoughts on the recent Guide to the Cosmos Krivit interview

2010-05-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:49 AM 5/26/2010, Jed Rothwell wrote: The things Krivit accuses researchers of doing can only be lies, not mistakes. They are too simple to be mistakes. And too blatant. For example, he claimed the Italians were repeatedly misrepresenting their numbers by a factor of 10, and that McKubre

Re: [Vo]:Some personal thoughts on the recent Guide to the Cosmos Krivit interview

2010-05-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I tried to discuss the work with them and I had trouble finding someone familiar with the project. I don't recall when Tom Passell retired from EPRI. He is one of these Energizer Bunny people who never stops working. My analysis exactly. You'd have to ask the

RE: [Vo]:Some personal thoughts on the recent Guide to the Cosmos Krivit interview

2010-05-26 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:31 AM 5/26/2010, Jed Rothwell wrote: Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: does. Ask him! He is not shy about speculating or accusing people. I did ask him. Have you personally asked him that question? I haven't asked him anything lately. He told me he has added my e-mail address to his

Re: [Vo]:Some personal thoughts on the recent Guide to the Cosmos Krivit interview

2010-05-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: Let me be clear about this. I never heard Krivit state that that CF scientists and researchers lied about their data in this interview. I don't know about this interview, but I have heard him say that. McKubre and other researchers he accuses of lying

RE: [Vo]:Some personal thoughts on the recent Guide to the Cosmos Krivit interview

2010-05-25 Thread Mark Iverson
Thanks Steven, I think your level-headed analysis and comments are timely and on-point. The only thing I'd like to add to this topic is that any reporter, and certainly Steve as an investgative reporter, has more info that is off-the-record that he can't report on directly, but that is part