Re: [Vo]:Brussels LENR meeting presentations in pdf

2013-06-26 Thread Eric Walker
Twelve days ago I wrote: Presumably the experiment ran for a while, but nonetheless one gets the impression that the tritium is more than simply the result of some side reaction, and it looks like the main daughter in this case. This was in connection with a slide presented by Michael McKubre

Re: [Vo]:Brussels LENR meeting presentations in pdf

2013-06-26 Thread Axil Axil
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/CirilloDtransmutat.pdf Transmutation of metal at low energy in a confined plasma in water * Conclusions * The plasma is able to initiate transmutation reactions. Future studies are underway to understand the mechanism of these reactions. We propose that these

Re: [Vo]:Brussels LENR meeting presentations in pdf

2013-06-26 Thread Axil Axil
Analysis by germanium gamma detectors revealed presence of 100 billion atoms of Ag, Pd, Rh, and (one) Ru isotopes having ratios unlike those from bombardment by high-energy deuteron or proton beams.

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2013-06-18 Thread Edmund Storms
Robin, you need to acknowledge what actually is observed rather than what you think should happen. We are witnessing a novel process that has several basic characteristics, which are: 1. Hydrogen isotopes can come together in a material to make a fusion product without emitting the

Re: [Vo]:Brussels LENR meeting presentations in pdf

2013-06-18 Thread Edmund Storms
Eric, Tom Passel is not the only source of information. If you want to make a useful conclusion, I suggest you read the following papers where tritium was detected. Ed 1.Bertalot, L., et al. Analysis of tritium and heat excess in electrochemical cells with Pd cathodes. in

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2013-06-18 Thread Paul Breed
Ed, 4.) When the isotopes are H, the nuclear product is still unknown Any speculation? My speculation would be D On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Robin, you need to acknowledge what actually is observed rather than what you think should

Re: [Vo]:Brussels LENR meeting presentations in pdf

2013-06-18 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Eric, Tom Passel is not the only source of information. If you want to make a useful conclusion, I suggest you read the following papers where tritium was detected. Ed 1.Bertalot, L., et al. *Analysis of

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2013-06-18 Thread Edmund Storms
Very funny, Eric. If I have, it's not for the lack of looking. Ed On Jun 18, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Eric Walker wrote: On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Eric, Tom Passel is not the only source of information. If you want to make a useful conclusion, I

Re: [Vo]:Brussels LENR meeting presentations in pdf

2013-06-18 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Very funny, Eric. If I have, it's not for the lack of looking. Ed I joke, but I really do appreciate the sources and will enjoy reading them. Eric

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2013-06-18 Thread mixent
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Tue, 18 Jun 2013 09:03:19 -0600: Hi Ed, [snip] Instead, I have decided to use my time testing the ideas. An excellent idea. If the tests are successful, then we can talk again. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk

Re: [Vo]:Brussels LENR meeting presentations in pdf

2013-06-18 Thread mixent
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Tue, 18 Jun 2013 09:03:19 -0600: Hi Ed, [snip] BTW, next time you detect T, check the half-life. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Brussels LENR meeting presentations in pdf

2013-06-17 Thread mixent
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:41:09 -0700: Hi, [snip] Eric, why do you ignore the obvious reaction of D-e-H = tritium? This is the ONLY reaction consistent with all observations. The ONLY way this reaction will happen is if the electron first combines with one of the

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2013-06-15 Thread James Bowery
For those of us who are rational about experimental results, this is bad news since it is not news that LENR is a real phenomenon -- but large scale tritium production -- a radioactive product renders the process subject to government control hence political control. On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at

Re: [Vo]:Brussels LENR meeting presentations in pdf

2013-06-15 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Eric, why do you ignore the obvious reaction of D-e-H = tritium? This is the ONLY reaction consistent with all observations. It wasn't intentional. I'll take a look at those papers. (The Fusion Science and Technology

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2013-06-15 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:34:44 AM Eric, why do you ignore the obvious reaction of D-e-H = tritium? This is the ONLY reaction consistent with all observations. That supports your earlier reply to my questions: H-e-(H-e-H)-e-H-e ==

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2013-06-15 Thread Axil Axil
Reference: “Laser-induced synthesis and decay of Tritium under exposure of solid targets in heavy water http://arxiv.org/abs/1306.0830 how about the reaction that has been experimentally demonstrated in the referenced paper? electron + deuterium+ - dinuetron + neutrino dineutron -

Re: [Vo]:Brussels LENR meeting presentations in pdf

2013-06-15 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Eric, why do you ignore the obvious reaction of D-e-H = tritium? This is the ONLY reaction consistent with all observations. Also, just to make sure I understand your position -- you're understanding is that the lithium

Re: [Vo]:Brussels LENR meeting presentations in pdf

2013-06-14 Thread Eric Walker
I just looked into some details concerning the scenario presented in slide 9 of Michael McKubre's recent presentation in Brussels to get a sense of what might be causing the tritium they were seeing. The slide summarizes an Arata/Zhang replication. In their replication, they saw excess heat and,

Re: [Vo]:Brussels LENR meeting presentations in pdf

2013-06-13 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:31:34 AM Hello group, The presentations shown during the June 3 LENR meeting at the European Parliament in Brussels can now be downloaded, in pdf format, from the ENEA website through the following URL:

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2013-06-13 Thread James Bowery
I'm surprised there is no video equivalent of CSPAN for this. On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: From: Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:31:34 AM Hello group, The presentations shown during the June 3 LENR

Re: [Vo]:Brussels LENR meeting presentations in pdf

2013-06-13 Thread Alan Fletcher
Thanks! McKubre's is interesting -- sponsored by DARPA and DTRA (http://www.dtra.mil/ !!??) Does anyone have any information on DARPA's relationship to SRI/McKubre. Is it general support, or specifically for CF, and the the ENEA/NRL agreement? (If you can tell me, of course.)

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2013-06-13 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: http://www.enea.it/it/Ufficio-Bruxelles/news/new-advancements-on-the-fleischmann-pons-effect-paving-the-way-for-a-potential-new-clean-renewable-energy-source Thanks! McKubre's is interesting -- sponsored by DARPA and DTRA (

Re: [Vo]:Brussels LENR meeting presentations in pdf

2013-06-13 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: - McKubre and coworkers saw excess heat and *tritium* production (2-5E15 atoms) in palladium black and LiOD. In that experiment there was no 4He, and 3He was commensurate with tritium decay (i.e., no 3He from the primary reaction). Note also that tritium is a health