RE: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-18 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
I didn't quite finish the analogy... Imagine the wheel of a car being an electron, which is perfectly balanced and rotates perfectly. Now add a lead weight (a quantum of heat), and the wheel now is wobbling all around since it is 'out of balance'. That in turn causes the entire car (atom) to

Re: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-18 Thread Axil Axil
An ensemble of coherent objects acts in unison based on discrete quantum levels. When quantum particles (matter waves) are coherent, phase (A description of the quantum properties that define each specific quantum property associated with the ensemble) can only be applied based on discrete quantum

Re: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-17 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 8 Jan 2012 02:35:02 -0500: Hi, [snip] Where N can be 1 to very many, N identical waves are said to be coherent. These many waves have the same waveform; they are all in fact the same wave. Since particles are matter waves, N particles that are identical and

RE: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-17 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:59 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 8 Jan 2012 02:35:02 -0500: Hi, [snip] Where N can be 1 to very many, N identical waves are said to be coherent

Re: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-11 Thread Axil Axil
Here is a quantum mechanical experiment that supports some of the theroretical components put forth in the proton pair conjecture: Seeing quantum mechanics with the naked eye http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-01-quantum-mechanics-naked-eye.html This is of interest to me regarding a possible

Re: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-09 Thread Terry Blanton
Last time I checked DGT denies the use of a RFG. T On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: These resonance interactions come from the crystal structure of metal lattices and the quantum phonons that vibrate through the lattice at just the right temperature. It also

RE: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-09 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Last time I checked DGT denies the use of a RFG. Yes - they absolutely deny it when asked specifically. And they seem to be far more forthcoming than Rossi, but not completely honest. Does anyone has direct or indirect evidence of RF being

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-09 Thread Roarty, Francis X
, 2012 9:46 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Last time I checked DGT denies the use of a RFG. Yes - they absolutely deny it when asked specifically. And they seem to be far more forthcoming than Rossi

RE: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-09 Thread Jones Beene
Well there is always that mystery window ... -Original Message- From: Roarty, Francis X Defkalion must have some form of agitation in the reactor Last time I checked DGT denies the use of a RFG. Yes - they absolutely deny it when asked specifically. And they seem to be far more

Re: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-08 Thread Axil Axil
In our everyday world of illusion, a miracle is a highly improbable event. But in the real world of quantum mechanics (QM), if it can happen, it will happen, but just not very often. The trick for the cold fusion engineer is to somehow adjust the quantum probabilities to make miracles happen

Re: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-08 Thread Moab Moab
Maybe someone can shed a light. How are Celani's comments, cooper pairing and Kim's BECNF theory related ? - If they are related, why doesn't Celani mention Kim in his presentation, he mentions almost all other proposed theories ? Moab On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Jones Beene

Re: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-08 Thread James Bowery
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: In our everyday world of illusion, a miracle is a highly improbable event. But in the real world of quantum mechanics (QM), if it can happen, it will happen, but just not very often. That is a sense of the word miracle that

Re: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-08 Thread James Bowery
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: So if you back off the details a little ways and look at the generalize QM mechanism, the D+D reaction is still caused by QM entanglement and coherence---see Dr. Kim references section in the following:

RE: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-08 Thread Jones Beene
Pd-D has surprisingly little in common with Ni-H, in theory or in practice. As far as most physical and especially nuclear properties are concerned, the fact that H and D are both chemically reactive volatile gases is the main connection. In fact, on close inspection, it is a big surprise to

Re: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-08 Thread James Bowery
None of which addresses my empirical question: Does Pd+D (as does Ni+Cu+P) exhibit a negative coefficient of temperature as the Fleischmann Pons effect emerges from that system? From your argument below, I take it your answer is No. On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Jones Beene

RE: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-08 Thread Jones Beene
From: James Bowery Does Pd+D (as does Ni+Cu+P) exhibit a negative coefficient of temperature as the Fleischmann Pons effect emerges from that system? From your argument below, I take it your answer is No. Well, unless there is evidence out there - which we have not been made aware of, then

Re: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-08 Thread Axil Axil
One last thought before this thread becomes a part of history. I speculate that Rossi has found experimentally that proton absorption into the nickel nucleus will have a higher cross section when “heavy’ nickel isotopes: Ni62 and Ni64 are enhanced in his powder. These heavy isotopes have more

Re: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-08 Thread Axil Axil
These resonance interactions come from the crystal structure of metal lattices and the quantum phonons that vibrate through the lattice at just the right temperature. It also comes from certain chemical bound configurations involving hydrogen. And these resonance reactions may even come from the

Re: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-07 Thread James Bowery
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: In Brian Ahern's work on the Arata effect, which... is NOT the F-P effect So we're witness to not one, but TWO miracles of energy production that just happen to involve hydrogen-metal systems? One miracle is enough to

RE: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-07 Thread Jones Beene
That is a fair comment from the bleacher section, since superficially using LENR as an umbrella for everything related to hydrogen may make it seem like two miracles. However deuterium is completely different from hydrogen in so many ways that the two can be considered to be completely different

RE: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-07 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Jones: Thanks for your diplomatic comments on my late night posting... I will reread and think about them. Trying to up the SNR a notch or two... RE: Cooper pairs... This is one of my pet peeves about the old, simplistic atomic models. We were taught the following in school/college: - opposite

Re: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-07 Thread James Bowery
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: In short, forget the bogus two miracle argument. Sure I'll forget the bogus two miracle argument -- especially since I never encountered it. As for the valid two miracle argument, its not going to go away simply because

RE: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-07 Thread Jones Beene
From: James Bowery * Tell me I'm wrong. Yes, James, you are wrong. Not just wrong but possibly wrong for several reasons, depending on semantics and your writing skills. First off, are you a native English speaker? We are very tolerant of differences in languages and translations of

Re: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-07 Thread James Bowery
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: You say: D+D = He4 reaction involves two pairs of fermions and even accuse me of 'forgetting' something. Where are these two pairs fermions of which you speak ? What did I forget? Where are two pairs of anything? Two

Re: [Vo]:Cooper pairing of protons

2012-01-07 Thread Axil Axil
Where N can be 1 to very many, N identical waves are said to be coherent. These many waves have the same waveform; they are all in fact the same wave. Since particles are matter waves, N particles that are identical and indistinguishable are coherent. These matter waves can be made identical by