Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-29 Thread froarty572
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:58:34 -0800 Gibson Elliot Gibson Elliot wrote.. Ether is consumed by mass, that's gravity, a pretty measurable effect in my book! I agree with Tesla's observation but it is incomplete..you can't just eat ether endlessly -you must also expell it. Puthoff's atomic

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-29 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/28/2010 08:20 PM, froarty...@comcast.net wrote: Stephen, Thank you for the explanation, I wasn't aware of anything called Lorentz ether theory existed but will be investigating it shortly. At least I am not crazy - someone with chops came to similar conclusion and now I can

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-29 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/28/2010 09:03 PM, Chris Zell wrote: Perhaps y'all could enlighten me. I never understood the blanket rejection of 'ether' when radiation resistance is an engineering fact. In the design of RF antennas, there is a radiation resistance of about 328 ohms. Clearly, something out there

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-29 Thread Mauro Lacy
On 01/28/2010 07:26 PM, Mauro Lacy wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 01/28/2010 03:05 PM, froarty...@comcast.net wrote: I have a problem with the MM experiment. They assume an aether that moves with respect to space yet SR uses a right triangle rule where the spatial rate is assumed

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-29 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/29/2010 10:19 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote: That's simply not true. Read the papers I've pointed out. Miller consistently obtained fringe shifts, Yes, Miller was the only one who got a drift result. Nobody has replicated his results. A careful modern analysis of Miller's results indicates

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-29 Thread Mauro Lacy
On 01/29/2010 10:19 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote: That's simply not true. Read the papers I've pointed out. Miller consistently obtained fringe shifts, Yes, Miller was the only one who got a drift result. Nobody has replicated his results. Miller replicated M M results, with more precision.

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-29 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/29/2010 12:07 PM, Mauro Lacy wrote: I could present a gedanken experiment (a very simple experiment indeed) to clearly show what I mean by reality is not relative, but I'll not do that. Your choice. You understand what you mean, you could explain it, but you won't. End of

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-29 Thread Gibson Elliot
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 6:24 PM Gibson Elliot wrote: Re-examine the deliberate glossing over of scientific fact? Hmm perhaps we could look at Lorentz and what he threw away to make his equations work? I know

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-29 Thread Mauro Lacy
On 01/29/2010 12:07 PM, Mauro Lacy wrote: I could present a gedanken experiment (a very simple experiment indeed) to clearly show what I mean by reality is not relative, but I'll not do that. Your choice. You understand what you mean, you could explain it, but you won't. I don't have

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-29 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/29/2010 12:35 PM, Mauro Lacy wrote: On 01/29/2010 12:07 PM, Mauro Lacy wrote: I could present a gedanken experiment (a very simple experiment indeed) to clearly show what I mean by reality is not relative, but I'll not do that. Your choice. You understand what you mean, you

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-29 Thread Mauro Lacy
On 01/29/2010 12:35 PM, Mauro Lacy wrote: On 01/29/2010 12:07 PM, Mauro Lacy wrote: I could present a gedanken experiment (a very simple experiment indeed) to clearly show what I mean by reality is not relative, but I'll not do that. Your choice. You understand what you mean, you

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-28 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/28/2010 03:05 PM, froarty...@comcast.net wrote: I have a problem with the MM experiment. They assume an aether that moves with respect to space yet SR uses a right triangle rule where the spatial rate is assumed to be perpindicular to C. Why isn't gamma considered proof of ether?

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-28 Thread Mauro Lacy
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 01/28/2010 03:05 PM, froarty...@comcast.net wrote: I have a problem with the MM experiment. They assume an aether that moves with respect to space yet SR uses a right triangle rule where the spatial rate is assumed to be perpindicular to C. Why isn't gamma

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-28 Thread Gibson Elliot
Matter. I rant, and this will all come out soon anyway. And hey without peer reviewed materials none will take this seriously anyway, so why do I bother? just frustration I guess. Let time be the final judge...   Gibson From: Mauro Lacy ma...@lacy.com.ar Subject: Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-28 Thread froarty572
Stephen,    Thank you for the explanation, I wasn't aware of  anything called Lorentz ether theory existed but will be investigating it shortly. At least I am not crazy - someone with chops came to similar conclusion and now I can just reference LET instead of trying to reinvent the

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-28 Thread Chris Zell
Perhaps y'all could enlighten me.  I never understood the blanket rejection of 'ether' when radiation resistance is an engineering fact.   In the design of RF antennas, there is a radiation resistance of about 328 ohms.  Clearly, something out there is 'resisting' the emission of RF.  In

Re: [Vo]:Michaelson Morely vs V^2/C^2

2010-01-28 Thread Mauro Lacy
Gibson Elliot wrote: Re-examine the deliberate glossing over of scientific fact? Hmm perhaps we could look at Lorentz and what he threw away to make his equations work? I know that LR is flawed also. I very much would like to hear your explanation. That's unlikely to occur, why throw out