Re: [Vo]:RE: Defkalion video of internal testing

2012-01-30 Thread Daniel Rocha
If they are so much behind expectations, why would they say 10KW or more for each Hyperion? Are they lying? 2012/1/30 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Do not fool yourself – the lab is adequate. What on earth were you expecting to see- something from CERN funded by the taxpayer ? ** **

RE: [Vo]:RE: Defkalion video of internal testing

2012-01-30 Thread Jones Beene
From: Daniel Rocha If they are so much behind expectations, why would they say 10KW or more for each Hyperion? Are they lying? No, in fact I would not be surprised if the spikes were not more than 10kW. Mills' (Jansson) was showing 50 kW spikes, four or more years ago with a

Re: [Vo]:RE: Defkalion video of internal testing

2012-01-30 Thread Daniel Rocha
In the brochures, they state 10sKWs, not as spikes. For a so short deadline, they must be lying and more else, don't know how to pull so much energy. They also lied about knowing what is Rossi's method/catalyst. 2012/1/30 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net *From:* Daniel Rocha ** ** If

Re: [Vo]:RE: Defkalion video of internal testing

2012-01-30 Thread Peter Gluck
Jones, and why do they claim 650C amd an experiment with duration of 48/48 hours? When approximately 1 year ago I have informed Randy Mills about the Rossi experiment and just told about the possibility Rossi obtains some excess heat he got very angry. By the way Randy has not demonstrated

Re: [Vo]:RE: Defkalion video of internal testing

2012-01-30 Thread Daniel Rocha
I am very well aware of the difference. I don't know why you are saying this. 2012/1/30 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Apparently Daniel, you are not clear on the difference between power and energy? From: Daniel Rocha In the brochures, they state 10sKWs, not as spikes. For a so short

Re: [Vo]:RE: Defkalion video of internal testing

2012-01-30 Thread Bob Higgins
Defkalion's commercial reactor (described in their data sheet) has a large hydrogen store. According to most accounts of the Ni-H reaction, the H2 consumed in the reaction is minute. Their commercial reactor is listed as having a 2 liter bottle at 200 bar. Where is all of this gas going to

RE: [Vo]:RE: Defkalion video of internal testing

2012-01-30 Thread Jones Beene
From: Peter Gluck * * Jones, and why do they claim 650C and an experiment with duration of 48/48 hours? Well, maybe so, Peter - but that is not in evidence in the video we are talking about. If they have indeed gotten to both that level of heat, and for that length of time - in

Re: [Vo]:RE: Defkalion video of internal testing

2012-01-30 Thread Nigel Dyer
Despite the shortcomings of the experimental setup, I would have thought it should be possible to use dataplots such as these to characterise the thermal characteristics of the a dummy hyperion system providing we know the power input. This should give usable figures for heat capacities and

Re: [Vo]:RE: Defkalion video of internal testing

2012-01-30 Thread Peter Gluck
This video has shown they have a lab something our departed colleague Mary Yugo has denied. Instead of speculating in advance let's wait what will they show us. A basic problem is HOW MANY Ni (Transition Metal) - H ANOMALIES DO EXIST? Peter On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Jones Beene

Re: [Vo]:RE: Defkalion video of internal testing

2012-01-30 Thread Harry Veeder
Practically speaking, *power* on demand is what a user wants. Significant energy production would suggest that the device can supply power on demand. Most people have no use for the concept of *energy*, except theoretical fizzists and ultility companies who charge per unit of energy consumed.

RE: [Vo]:RE: Defkalion video of internal testing

2012-01-30 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
'... :-) -Mark _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 7:46 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:RE: Defkalion video of internal testing From: Peter Gluck * * Jones, and why do they claim 650C

Re: [Vo]:RE: Defkalion video of internal testing

2012-01-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Based on what they were saying many months ago - I expected to see at this time the glycol heat exchanger, and evidence of steady levels of ongoing energy - not just a few power surges. Their announcement said the full system with the glycol loops will

Re: [Vo]:RE: Defkalion video of internal testing

2012-01-30 Thread Yamali Yamali
I agree that it looks messy and unprofessional. If my lab would look anything like it, I'd be fired on the spot. My main concern wouldn't be the distance to a pressurized container or any other particularity but rather the entire setup. This is supposed to be a nuclear reactor where nobody

Re: [Vo]:RE: Defkalion video of internal testing

2012-01-30 Thread David Roberson
to be an optimist that sees the glass half full of water instead of one who sees it half empty. Dave -Original Message- From: Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 10:57 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: Defkalion video of internal testing Despite

Re: [Vo]:RE: Defkalion video of internal testing

2012-01-30 Thread Peter Gluck
cannot know why the pipes are so long or how long will stay the hydrogen bottle there. -Original Message- From: Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 10:57 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: Defkalion video of internal testing Despite