: Saturday, March 21, 2015 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:fast LENR news about Parkhomov, etc.,
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree Axil. If I were to design this, I would work out a constant power
supply algorithm for each unit. I think it would
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To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, Mar 20, 2015 10:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:fast LENR news about Parkhomov, etc.,
Dave,
I don't understand how that could be if he has not been showing excess heat
with any temperatures below 1050-1070C. If the reaction doesn't
In the Lagano experiment, the resistance of the heater decreased to one
third of its initial startup value. Riddle that one batman.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Alberto De Souza
alberto.investi...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Bob,
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com
from the Lagano report:
Another matter for consideration that stands out from the analysis of the
results regards the trend of net production vs. that of consumption. There
seems to be an anticorrelation between the two behaviors, which stands out
as a decrease in average consumption values
With two reactors in series it is easy to compute the resistence of each
reactor. One just need to measure the current, which is the same for both
reators, and the voltage on each reactor. I would be very much surprised if
the resistence of the Khantal A-1 wire changes more than that on its specs
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Subject: Re: [Vo]:fast LENR news about Parkhomov, etc.,
Dave,
I don't understand how that could be if he has not been showing excess
heat with any temperatures below 1050-1070C. If the reaction doesn't start
until those temperatures are reached, how
LENR news about Parkhomov, etc.,
Series and parallel circuits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_and_parallel_circuits
In a series circuit, the current through each of the components is
the same, and the voltage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage
across the circuit is the sum
The heat generated by any section of the wire that does not come into
contact with the reactor core to transfer heat to the reactor must be
subtracted from the total power consumed by the heater. This includes any
inter reactor wire runs between the null and active reactor cores,
The power
I agree Axil. If I were to design this, I would work out a constant power
supply algorithm for each unit. I think it would be difficult to wire them
in series and have them behave the same. A control system that adjusts the
power level to each cell with changing resistance seems like it would
In reply to Alberto De Souza's message of Sat, 21 Mar 2015 01:33:55 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Actually, the resistence of heating wires varies very little with
temperature. In the case of Kanthal A-1 (that MFMP was using), it increases
by a factor of only 5% from 100 to 1400 degress Celsius (see
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sat, 21 Mar 2015 18:23:03 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
The heat generated by any section of the wire that does not come into
contact with the reactor core to transfer heat to the reactor must be
subtracted from the total power consumed by the heater. This includes any
You just need to ensure that the voltage measurements are taken at the
connections to the reactors themselves. This measurement is used both for
the
measurement log, and in the control of the power level.
Because modern voltmeters have very high input resistances, the current
drain
they
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
The heat generated by any section of the wire that does not come into
contact with the reactor core to transfer heat to the reactor must be
subtracted from the total power consumed by the heater. This includes any
inter
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree Axil. If I were to design this, I would work out a constant power
supply algorithm for each unit. I think it would be difficult to wire them
in series and have them behave the same. A control system that adjusts the
Your prudence seems the fruit of experience ;-)
The calorimetry is to be improved to convince. it seems to be a single
thermometer... It won't convince GSVIT ;-)
Anyway we have not enough data on the calibration, not even to criticize.
As I understand Alexander is working to improve the
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*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 1:57 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:fast LENR news about Parkhomov, etc.,
Series and parallel circuits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_and_parallel_circuits
In a series circuit, the current through each of the components
]:fast LENR news about Parkhomov, etc.,
Series and parallel circuits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_and_parallel_circuits
In a series circuit, the current through each of the components is
the same, and the voltage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage
across the circuit is the sum
Subject: Re: [Vo]:fast LENR news about Parkhomov, etc.,
In thinking more about Parkhomov's most recent experiment, there is one piece
of information that would put to rest my doubts. Did he have to use nearly 1KW
of power to bring the reactor up to 1100C and was then able to back off
and hence its temperature
together with the current to determine power applied to the fuel.
Bob
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From: Alberto De Souza
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:fast LENR news about Parkhomov, etc.,
If we put
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Subject: Re: [Vo]:fast LENR news about Parkhomov, etc.,
In thinking more about Parkhomov's most recent experiment, there is one
piece of information that would put to rest my doubts. Did he have to use
nearly 1KW of power to bring the reactor up to 1100C and was then able to
back off
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*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:fast LENR news about Parkhomov, etc.,
Series and parallel circuits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_and_parallel_circuits
In a series circuit, the current through each of the components is
the same, and the voltage
or even predictable, the resistances of the coils along their
length as a function of temperature should be known. This bit of
information is not trivial.
Bob
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FROM: Axil Axil [3]
TO: vortex-l [4]
SENT: Friday, March 20, 2015
1:57 PM
SUBJECT: Re: [Vo]:fast LENR
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*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:fast LENR news about Parkhomov, etc.,
Series and parallel circuits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_and_parallel_circuits
In a series circuit, the current through each of the components is
the same, and the voltage
From: Alberto De Souza
I meant To my knowledge, no one in history have yet presented an experiment
showing large excess heat side by side with its null hypothesis.
That’s true, simply because the side-by-side configuration has not been done
very often in the past, with the notable
of information is not
trivial.
Bob
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*Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2015 1:57 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:fast LENR news about Parkhomov, etc.,
Series and parallel circuits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
The only calorimetry that the skeptics would accept is savings on heating
bills; I'm with Rossi on that one. That's why I'm proposing examining this
binary hypothesis: A reactor loaded with LENR fuel produces excess
(non-chemical) heat. To test this hypothesis one has to run an experiment
to test
I read skeptic discussion, and running parallel reactor, or the same in
sequence, is judged as not being a reliable calibration because reactor may
be different, change emmisivity, radiate more or less...
any complex calorimetry is rejected because hard to understand and frone to
fraud
any
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Sent: Fri, Mar 20, 2015 11:02 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:fast LENR news about Parkhomov, etc.,
I read skeptic discussion, and running parallel reactor, or the same in
sequence, is judged as not being a reliable calibration because reactor may be
different
Alain, all of these difficulties can be overcome by a self sustained
system. 3.2x system can vaporize, condense at certain hight, and use the
fall of water to generate power.
Hi Bob,
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
Alberto--
You are correct that voltage and current gives integrated power in the
section of the coil between the voltage drop measurements. However, if
your are interested in local power generation in the
Series and parallel circuits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_and_parallel_circuits
In a series circuit, the current through each of the components is the
same, and the voltage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage across the
circuit is the sum of the voltages across each component.[1]
.
Bob
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From: Axil Axil
To: vortex-l
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:fast LENR news about Parkhomov, etc.,
Series and parallel circuits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_and_parallel_circuits
In a series circuit, the current
hidden wire, RF supply, solar cell, can explain an apparent self-sustain.
David have a good idea, that skeptic do the experiment themselves.
some have done in their time and now they are here ;-) accused of fraud an
delusion.
moreover most skeptic refuse to experiment, and when experimenting
Alain, you are right in your analysis. A skeptic may point out all the
problems you have mentioned. But we have something new now: MFMP and their
live science approach. If they show (live) the complete process of puting
the two reactors in series and the reactor with fuel shows significantly
Would we not want to wire the reactors in parallel to avoid a voltage drop
between the two reactors if they were connected in series?
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Alberto De Souza
alberto.investi...@gmail.com wrote:
Alain, you are right in your analysis. A skeptic may point out all the
their length as a function
of temperature should be known. This bit of information is not trivial.
Bob
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*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:fast LENR news about Parkhomov, etc.,
Series and parallel circuits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_and_parallel_circuits
In a series circuit, the current through each of the components is the
same
Without all the details, it may be hard to fully evaluate this. If the
thermocouple was on the inside of the cell (and only one was used), it
opens the possibility of differences in heat conduction. Imagine a
thermocouple in the air in the center of the tube versus touching the
nickel fuel in
Any COP higher than 2 would be easy to detect with the setup I have
proposed. Also, it will silence one argument of the skeptics, that there is
no control in the LENR experiments (i.e. an easily verifiable null
hypothesis). One can always find problems with calorimetry... With two
reactors
If there are some air in the reactor the oxygen will oxidise Ni an
possible other compounds then the temperature becomes high enough.
This binds the oxygen and it will lower the pressure.
It will also
make some heat, but only until the oxygen are consumed.
Torulf
On
Thu, 19 Mar 2015
The main player is hydrogen. LIALH$ contains ` 10% in weight
H2, i.e. 6mgr.
2 gr H2 is 22410 mL in standard conditions; ergo 6mgr hydrogen
makes 67 mL gas. This is disappearing during the process
adsorbed in the melt and...?
Peter
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:22 PM, torulf.gr...@bredband.net wrote:
Great work Peter. The fact that he has repeated the results using a method
alternative to his calorimetry is very encouraging. In addition, the fact
that he was able to run for such a long time easily rules out chemical
effects. Hopefully, it will keep on running for more days to weeks. I was
I would suggest running two identical reactors in the same room (one
without fuel) with heating resistances (identical) in series. If the fueled
reactor becomes hotter, we have excess heat. One can film (MFMP style) the
measurement of the resistance of the heaters before, and the voltage on
them
Dear Jack,
This morning - 8 hours ago, the reactor was still working. Nothing was
announced till now.
I am sure Alexander will work out a proper calorimetry system, not easy
- if no sufficient cooling (as in his older system) risk of overheating and
burnout.
I have searched for the new sort of
It is impressive even without calorimetry. He would have to make a severe
mistake on input power measurement to be off that far. To be more
specific, he would have to make a mistake on input power measurement on the
run with fuel that he did not make on the run without the fuel (very
unlikely).
That's awesome!
On Thursday, March 19, 2015, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote:
It is impressive even without calorimetry. He would have to make a severe
mistake on input power measurement to be off that far. To be more
specific, he would have to make a mistake on input power measurement on
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