Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-27 Thread Michel Jullian
True but it does provide a positive feedback effect, i.e. the hotter it gets, the more there is on average, and therefore the hotter it gets. Its average concentration will only decrease if temperature decreases _first_ due to some stronger cooling effect. Such stronger cooling effects _do_

RE: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-26 Thread John Steck
PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW Paul Lowrance wrote: thomas malloy wrote: John Berry wrote: I think what you meant to say is that volcanoes have in the past erupted to produce more CO2 than humanity ***for a given duration***. Oddly enough you're

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-24 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
Actually, for the purposes of scientific argument, bollocks is much preferred. P. - Original Message From: John Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:27:37 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW Balls! On 4/24/07, PHILIP WINESTONE

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-24 Thread OrionWorks
Paul Lowrance wrote: thomas malloy wrote: John Berry wrote: I think what you meant to say is that volcanoes have in the past erupted to produce more CO2 than humanity ***for a given duration***. Oddly enough you're missing a huge factor, Duration. IOW, humanity continues to

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-24 Thread Paul Lowrance
thomas malloy wrote: Paul Lowrance wrote: thomas malloy wrote: John Berry wrote: I think what you meant to say is that volcanoes have in the past erupted to produce more CO2 than humanity ***for a given duration***. Oddly enough you're missing a huge factor, Duration. IOW, humanity

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-24 Thread Paul Lowrance
thomas malloy wrote: Paul Lowrance wrote: thomas malloy wrote: John Berry wrote: I think what you meant to say is that volcanoes have in the past erupted to produce more CO2 than humanity ***for a given duration***. Oddly enough you're missing a huge factor, Duration. IOW, humanity

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-24 Thread thomas malloy
Paul Lowrance wrote: thomas malloy wrote: Paul Lowrance wrote: thomas malloy wrote: John Berry wrote: I think what you meant to say is that volcanoes have in the past erupted to produce more CO2 than humanity ***for a given duration***. Oddly enough you're missing a huge factor,

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-24 Thread John Berry
Thomas, so what? Are you saying you have no doubt that man can pollute unchecked and be assured no impact on the climate? Even if you did why should pollution and oil be supported, even in your right wing view of the world shouldn't Oil be given up for an alternative energy? Are you trying to

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-24 Thread John Berry
I knew that Volcaino sh*t was bunk, thanks for finding the evidence. On 4/25/07, Paul Lowrance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thomas malloy wrote: Paul Lowrance wrote: thomas malloy wrote: Paul Lowrance wrote: thomas malloy wrote: John Berry wrote: I think what you meant to say is that

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-24 Thread Paul Lowrance
thomas malloy wrote: Paul Lowrance wrote: thomas malloy wrote: Paul Lowrance wrote: thomas malloy wrote: John Berry wrote: I think what you meant to say is that volcanoes have in the past erupted to produce more CO2 than humanity ***for a given duration***. Oddly enough you're

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-23 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
Then there's the small matter of two Canadian scientists who utterly refuted the thinking/mathematics behind the so-called hockey stick graph that showed how much we puny humans have influenced climate since the Industrial Revolution. These chaps have been all but totally ignored, but it's

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-23 Thread John Berry
Balls. The argument that us 'puny humans' can't effect the environment isn't based on science, it's just a philosophy if you could call it that. (It's a stupid ignorant assumption you are happy to risk the world to) One thing you have to note is that there are 6 Billion of us puny humans, the

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-23 Thread Paul Lowrance
No offense intended, but this topic is one of few that I take ***extremely*** seriously. I will be out right blunt and tell you that nearly all your statements are out right fuzzy logic -- Jeff Fink wrote: Al Gore is poised to make millions if not billions off of “global warming”. He puts

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-23 Thread Paul Lowrance
PHILIP WINESTONE wrote: --- Then there's the small matter of two Canadian scientists who utterly refuted the thinking/mathematics behind the so-called hockey stick graph that showed how much we puny humans have influenced climate since the Industrial Revolution. These chaps have been all but

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-23 Thread Steven Vincent Johnson
Then there's the small matter of two Canadian scientists who utterly refuted the thinking/ mathematics behind the so-called hockey stick graph that showed how much we puny humans have influenced climate since the Industrial Revolution. These chaps have been all but totally ignored, but

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-23 Thread thomas malloy
John Berry wrote: Balls. The argument that us 'puny humans' can't effect the environment isn't based on science, it's just a philosophy if Did you watch the video John? Volcanoes pump out 10 times as much CO2 as all human activity. The big volcano you mentioned blocked out the sunlight

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-23 Thread Paul Lowrance
thomas malloy wrote: John Berry wrote: Balls. The argument that us 'puny humans' can't effect the environment isn't based on science, it's just a philosophy if Did you watch the video John? Volcanoes pump out 10 times as much CO2 as all human activity. The big volcano you mentioned

RE: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-23 Thread Jeff Fink
-Original Message- From: Paul Lowrance [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:36 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW No offense intended, but this topic is one of few that I take ***extremely*** seriously. I will be out right

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-23 Thread Paul Lowrance
Jeff Fink wrote: Again I wonder. What happened to the ice age we were threatened with in the late 70’s. Please show your references of leading climate scientists make such claims. You don't remember it? It was all over the news and in magazines during the late 70's. If I hadn't

RE: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jeff Fink wrote: Listen, neither you or I are climate scientists. Therefore it's only logical to listen to the mass majority of PhD climate scientists. It is the liberal way to silence dissenting voices. The size of the mass majority is skewed because the esteemed potential dissenters

RE: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-23 Thread Jeff Fink
Also you said I recall a news caster six weeks before saying that Europe had just experienced the warmest autumn in 500 years. You recall a news caster making a statement?? The newscaster reported a statement. I don't know if he named a source. The item was obviously intended to hype GW

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-23 Thread Nick Palmer
This Mars warming up is a red herring. The source of that idea is one man but it has been seized upon by the GW deniers as the basis of the latest in a series of last minute revelations that they have trotted out - designed to protect the status quo and muddy the waters. Most planetary climate

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-23 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
Message From: John Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 7:56:59 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW Balls. The argument that us 'puny humans' can't effect the environment isn't based on science, it's just a philosophy if you could call

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-23 Thread John Berry
the others in this world, including Bush. P. - Original Message From: John Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 7:56:59 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW Balls. The argument that us 'puny humans' can't effect the environment isn't based

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-23 Thread John Berry
. P. - Original Message From: John Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 7:56:59 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW Balls. The argument that us 'puny humans' can't effect the environment isn't based on science, it's just

Re: [Vo]:to John Berry regarding GW

2007-04-23 Thread thomas malloy
Paul Lowrance wrote: thomas malloy wrote: John Berry wrote: I think what you meant to say is that volcanoes have in the past erupted to produce more CO2 than humanity ***for a given duration***. Oddly enough you're missing a huge factor, Duration. IOW, humanity continues to pump out a