On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I wrote:
I mean that no sane person would simply insert a probe into a hole without
checking where the probe ended up, and also checking to be sure it is
properly positioned and leak-tight. You don't just insert a
Hello group,
A detailed and quite long (even too much to post here completely)
english article on Rossi's Energy Catalyzer has been posted today on Ny
Teknik. Here's its summary:
In a detailed report, two Swedish physicists exclude chemical reactions
as the energy source in the Italian
Ah! Piccys of naked ECats!
Thanks!
T
On 2011-04-06 13:51, Terry Blanton wrote:
Ah! Piccys of naked ECats!
In the technical report itself there are even more pictures of them:
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3144960.ece/BINARY/Download+the+report+by+Kullander+and+Ess%C3%A9n+%28pdf%29.
http://tinyurl.com/68wqoyy
Cheers,
-Original Message-
From: SHIRAKAWA Akira
Thank you for posting this but for the record, the conclusions of Kullander
are wrong. Not just wrong but irresponsible and foolish.
First he says:
Analyses of the nickel powder used in Rossi's energy catalyzer show that
a large amount of
From Jones:
...
... There is a mundane
explanation for both copper and iron so why invent a reaction that does
not
exist?
And that speculated mundane explanation is...
Out with it!
Hydrinos?
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Passing to Kullander a well shaked mix of ni and cu powder ? Too easy ?
Just mixing ni and cu powder and giving it to *Kullander for the *
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:41 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
From Jones:
...
... There is a mundane
The mundane reason for the appearance of iron an copper is electromigration.
This is actually expected. Copper and iron are both found in the apparatus
and they migrate to the powder. For it to be otherwise, an isotopic
imbalance must be present.
Even hydrinos would result in an isotopic
On 04/06/2011 03:01 AM, SHIRAKAWA Akira wrote:
Kullander: Both measurements show that the pure nickel powder contains
mainly nickel, and the used powder is different in that several
elements are present, mainly 10 percent copper and 11 percent iron.
The isotopic analysis through ICP-MS
Andrea Selva andreagiuseppe.se...@gmail.com wrote:
Jed, I don't understand if you ever saw any of the pictures of the two test
assets or any of the clips of the January one.
If your answer is yes maybe your eyes are note telling you the truth.
Everybody can easily see that the output probe
On the pictures in the article:
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3144960.ece/BINARY/Download+the+report+by+Kullander+and+Ess%C3%A9n+%28pdf%29
)
it is seen that the copper tubes are corroded from the outside , probably
due to the high temperature of the reaction.
As Jones says it is very
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
The mundane reason for the appearance of iron an copper is
electromigration.
Where are the electric fields that would cause electromigration? There are
no fields in copper pipes as far as I know.
Kullander does say . . . it’s remarkable that nickel-58
On 04/06/2011 08:20 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
The Facts: There is evidence of the presence of copper but that is all. If
it were formed by transmutation some of it should be radioactive. In fact
there is a mundane explanation for the presence of copper
Dead on. In fact, as I recall, folks on
From Jones:
The mundane reason for the appearance of iron an[d] copper
is electromigration.
Seems like a reasonable conclusion to draw.
I must apologize for not being sufficiently clear as to what I was
really questioning: What is generating the massive amount of heat? I
gather the
On 04/06/2011 10:23 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net mailto:jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
The mundane reason for the appearance of iron an copper is
electromigration.
Where are the electric fields that would cause electromigration? There
are no fields in
One of the great things about this is that there is so much new
information here, it is taking me all morning to read and understand the
reports and photos. Usually, when I get a new paper, it is all stuff
that I have heard before. It is either a re-hash of previous reports, or
a repetition of
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
He *said* they measured the isotopes.
He said, specifically, the ratios for both nickel and copper didn't vary
from natural abundances: The isotopic analysis through ICP-MS *doesn’t
show any deviation from the natural isotopic composition* of
The energy release of the hydrino producing reaction is 50 MJ/mol hydrogen
gas. The prefered reactionproduct seems to be H1/4.
See http://www.blacklightpower.com/papers/Eng%20Power050410S.pdf
So if 25 kWh is produced (90 MJ) this should correspond to 1.8 moles of H2
gas = 3.6 grams.
Peter
If the reactor vessel is stainless steel, is the Cu migrating through
the walls of the vessel to contaminate the Ni?
T
-Original Message-
From: Steven V Johnson
Regarding the hydrino theory, my first impression would be to conclude...
that not enough hydrogen was consumed (into hydrinos) that would explain the
massive amount of heat recorded.
Right on! Steven. You get points for having been
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Essentially this is why I concocted the 'quark power' concept presented
recently.
I don't think you can sell the quark power theory to Hawking. :-)
T
From Stephen
...
It's more likely that Levi is in on the gag than that
transmutation from nickel to copper produced natural
isotope ratios in the ash. The former merely requires
the assumption that a few humans are acting unusually
stupid (which happens frequently). The latter requires
Stephen,
Urgent Addendum:
Just to be clear on this point, my speculation was pertaining to
whether you were now suspicious of the HEAT measurements. In truth I
must admit the fact that you seem to be questioning the isotopic
shifts, not the actual HEAT measurements. My apologies if I have
From: Stephen A. Lawrence
*
* Where are the electric fields that would cause electromigration? There
are no fields in copper pipes as far as I know.
In the photos I am looking at, from this page - one resistance heater
labeled auxiliary goes directly into a copper pipe. You may
Looking at the pictures, it seems to be fairly simple mechanically. The
chamber is 50cc and not 1 liter as we were made to believe.
My question is: does the water pass through the bed of Nickel?
I don't see anything in the pictures that would indicate that there is a
separate path for the
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
If the reactor vessel is stainless steel, is the Cu migrating through
the walls of the vessel to contaminate the Ni?
That is probably net necessary. It looks to me like a copper pipe, for heat
transfer, may go into the reactor itself. Plus, if I
My guess is that the Aux is to pre heat the water flowing into the system and
the other external clamp on heater is for control.
Put those two seem to be the only external electrical connections (other than
the thermocouples)
Dennis C
From: Jones Beene
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:41 AM
Jones,
So what causes the electromigration? As far as I can see all he has in there are some resistive
heaters.
Ron
--On Wednesday, April 06, 2011 6:15 AM -0700 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
wrote:
To be clear:
Yes the reaction is NOT chemical, but it is NOT the fusion of nickel and
From Jones
From: Terry Blanton
If the reactor vessel is stainless steel, is the Cu migrating through
the walls of the vessel to contaminate the Ni?
That is probably net necessary. It looks to me like a copper pipe, for heat
transfer, may go into the reactor itself. Plus, if I am not
Hello group,
A *very* interesting (revealing many previously unknown details, to tell
the truth I'm not sure if he was supposed to disclose them all)
three-part audio interview in italian to Sergio Focardi by a local web
radio has been submitted here:
-Original Message-
From: Ron Wormus
So what causes the electromigration? As far as I can see all he has in
there are some resistive heaters.
Ron - Possibly it could be related to either low level magnetic fields or emf
associated with the heaters, or else galvanic corrosion
The copper isotope ratios reported here contradict those from Rossi's blog
published data.
In his blog post titled Experimental Results he states the Cu63/Cu65 ratio is
1.6 after transmutation.
The isotope results reported by the swedish observers seems very suspicious to
me.
From Akira,
...
- Focardi doesn't know the exact composition of the catalyser used in the
reactor (in addition to nickel powder) or what it does exactly but he
suspects that it's a chemical compound promoting nickel's adsorption of
hydrogen in atomic form rather than molecular.
Maybe
On 2011-04-06 18:58, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
Maybe something got lost in the translation here, but find it
surprising that Focardi apparently doesn't know the composition of the
catalyzer used in Rossi's reactor. Are we to assume Rossi hasn't told
him?
I'm quite sure Focardi told
I'll update my Proof paper shortly.
Not much that can happen in 50cc, though .
Confirmed. Focardi doesn't know the composition.
--
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 6:58 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Sergio Focardi interviewed (not yet in english!)
From Akira
On 2011-04-06 18:58, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
I'm quite sure Focardi told that he doesn't know the composition (nor he
wants to know - he added). By catalyzer I mean the unknown compound which
enhances the nickel-hydrogen reaction.
Really! Does he say why he doesn't
This is a smaller version of the ECat: 4 kW vs 12 kW. It appears to
have a single heater. Rossi says he will make 300 of these for his MW
generator. It is simpler and safer according to the inventor.
Allegedly, in 2.5 months, a version of the ECat consumed (transmuted,
whatever) 100g of Ni
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
If the reactor vessel is stainless steel, is the Cu migrating through
the walls of the vessel to contaminate the Ni?
That is probably net necessary. It looks to me like a
Jones sez:
...
Wow, gotta luv that the Rossi apparatus does work - apparently - but doesn't
it
just scream cheap? Off the rack at K-Mart cheap...
Heh! It will probably result in an extra month of delays over at DoE
getting their s**t in gear... particularly if they deem to look at the
On 2011-04-06 19:10, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
Really! Does he say why he doesn't want to know?
The only speculation that makes any sense to me might be for personal
safety reasons.
He doesn't, and I don't think he seriously means that either, but maybe
he simply doesn't want to
Jones,
Yeah, I love that it looks like it could have been made in a garage of spare plumbing parts. It has
a much less sophisticated geometry than I expected too; seems too simple even compared to the MAHG
I started to replicate (it also had a copper vessel).
Keeps life interesting; you are
As far as I can see, they are still making mistakes by using a humidity
meter to test for the mass fraction of vapor to liquid water - also known as
steam quality
from their technical paper:
Has it ever be explained, using stellar nucleosynthesis theory, why naturally
occurring nickel and copper have the isotopic distribution that they have?
Harry
From: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 10:33:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE:
This question made me check out Walter Russell's Periodic Chart of the
Elements, and in there, Nickel and Copper are right next to eachother in
the 7th octave, listed as isotopes. On top of Nickel there's Cobalt, and
below Copper there's Zinc, Gallium and Germanium.
Jeff Driscoll wrote:
As far as I can see, they are still making mistakes by using a
humidity meter to test for the mass fraction of vapor to liquid water
- also known as steam quality
As everyone here remembers, this was disputed after the first test. I
would not know, but I have found
I pushed send too soon. I meant to add a critical point:
The 18-hour test proved that the device does, in fact, output 15 kW, so I do
not see how people can still argue that the first test was actually putting
out far less than that because of wet steam. I think the second test proved
that the
A few weeks ago I mentioned that I think ganging together many small Rossi
devices will call for some complicated engineering. Perhaps it will slow
down the development of the 1 MW reactor. I'm sure that 100 units can be
coordinated but it may take a team of engineers some time to design such a
I meant to say the screw holes would be used to admit hydrogen into the
cells, or evacuate them. Maybe they would be used to admit nitrogen to shut
the thing down.
100 individual hydrogen pressure hoses running to 100 cylinders would be an
engineering headache but I suppose something can be
On 2011-04-06 22:06, Jed Rothwell wrote:
A few weeks ago I mentioned that I think ganging together many small
Rossi devices will call for some complicated engineering. Perhaps it
will slow down the development of the 1 MW reactor. I'm sure that 100
units can be coordinated but it may take a team
SHIRAKAWA Akira shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote:
According to Rossi's latest plans, the megawatt reactor is going to be made
of not 100, but 300 smaller units similar in size to those seen in photos .
. .
Yup. But I started writing that text before I learned that. Besides a 10 x
10 array is
I don't remember having seen this (March) report by Essen from the
Swedish Skeptics Society (Discusses the NYteknik interview)
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=nprev=_thl=enie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1sl=svtl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vof.se%2Findex.php
(Sorry if it's a duplicate)
On 2011-04-06 23:01, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
prev=_thl=enie=UTF-8layout=2eotf=1sl=svtl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vof.se%2Findex.php
Seems new to me.
Proper link to the relevant bit:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=svtl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vof.se%2Faktuellt.php%23notis472
Cheers,
oh it is not surprising that they are claiming copper is produced, since even
on
the standard peoridic table nickel and copper are neighbors.
Stellar fusion can account for the lighter elements up to and including iron,
but how the heavier elements arose is not so clear. Indeed, most of the
SHIRAKAWA Akira wrote:
Seems new to me.
Proper link to the relevant bit:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=svtl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vof.se%2Faktuellt.php%23notis472
Original article in Swedish:
http://www.vof.se/aktuellt.php#notis472
- Jed
The first paragraph (Google translation) attacks Fleischmann and Pons,
saying:
No significant similarities with the Pons and Fleischmann flop of 1989
could be discerned.
What a jerk! I would send him a nasty note saying he should read the
literature, but I am trying to sweet talk him into giving
On Wed, 06 Apr 2011 09:53: SHIRAKAWA Akira wrote
[snip]Focardi doesn't know the exact composition of the catalyser used in
the reactor (in addition to nickel powder) or what it does exactly but he
suspects that it's a chemical compound promoting nickel's adsorption of
hydrogen in atomic form
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Clue: no, it's not the Colonel Mustard with the lead pipe - but the paper's
lead researcher is a Polish alloy expert named Romanowski, and you want to
look at Fig 9 on page 8 ...
Jesus, Jones! F9P8 of which? This:
Indeed from the link provided Akira it says:
The reactor itself, which is loaded with the nickel powder and secret
catalysts
pressurized with hydrogen, has an estimated volume of 50 cubic centimeters (3.2
cubic inches).
The reactor is made of stainless steel.
Harry
- Original
the Cu would have to go through the water and then through the stainless
steel to get to the powder.
Dennis C
--
From: Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 4:11 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE:
http://lenr.qumbu.com/fake_rossi_ecat_v314.php
Preliminary Conclusion:
Because the horizontal arm was NOT inspected
unwrapped, we have to assume it contained FAKE
material. The 6 hour test was NOT long enough to eliminate all of
the fakes.
At 03:34 PM 4/6/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Alan J Fletcher
a...@well.com wrote:
Because the horizontal arm was NOT inspected
unwrapped, we have to assume it contained FAKE material.
The 6 hour test was NOT long enough to eliminate all of the
fakes.
What on EARTH is THAT supposed to mean? The
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
Well. The one problem is that the paper is not accessible except by fee.
Copyrights and all that. You can read the abstract
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/la981339q
Romanowski is a nickel alloy expert. This finding is not new but was
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
IN SHORT - the migratory copper itself appears to be the secret catalyst,
but only after it alloys with the nickel to form this super catalytic alloy
- which almost splits the hydrogen molecule on contact. Unbelievable !
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
IN SHORT - the migratory copper itself appears to be the secret catalyst,
but only after it alloys with the nickel to form this super catalytic alloy
It looks to me like the water inlet goes through the center of the reactor.
This would likely be a copper pipe along the axis, surrounded by the nickel
powder. Copper ions would immediately start to migrate when heat was applied
to the outside of the reactor. Did you enlarge the pictures? There is
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
It looks to me like the water inlet goes through the center of the reactor.
This would likely be a copper pipe along the axis, surrounded by the nickel
powder. Copper ions would immediately start to migrate when heat was
that is also the way I see it. Otherwise you would need two copper
components - inner Cu tube, stainless and then the outer Cu tube - A
stainless reactor chamber inside a widen part of one copper component would
be much easier to machine.
Dennis C
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Because that is not what I envision. I envision a SS reactor vessel
enclosed within a copper sphere attached to a copper pipe. The
reactor vessel is suspended inside the copper and the water passes
outside the SS
Has anyone seen such a sphere?
Nothing seen by me indicates that level of sophistication. Small spheres are
tricky to make and the outward of H2 pressure would possibly be more of a
problem than a central tube.
An axial copper tube, even having lost mass to migration, would withstand a
fairly
Dennis,
that is also how I interpreted the new paper but Jones then indicated there
may also be copper inside the reactor. In either case I am convinced the
initial
Reaction is due to changes in nano geometry which causes change in
suppression level that disassociates any molecular hydrogen or
Watson, bring me my Dremel tool!
T
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Has anyone seen such a sphere?
Nothing seen by me indicates that level of sophistication. Small spheres are
tricky to make and the outward of H2 pressure would possibly be more of a
problem than a central tube.
An axial
Maybe the catalyst isn't so very secret.
T
Keep your powder dry, men.
I thought of it as a stainless steel cylinder (easier to machine) inside the
widen part of the copper tubing with water flowing around it.
From the temperature curves, I think that the external heater gets the system
up to around 60C where the reaction starts to proceed. My guess for the
It's probably something like nanonickel and buckyballs. :-)
T
The patent drawings sure looks like cylinder type vessel containing Ni and
surrounded by flowing water.
Dennis C
--
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 5:53 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Swedish
Dennis den...@netmdc.com wrote:
I thought of it as a stainless steel cylinder (easier to machine) inside
the [wider] part of the copper tubing with water flowing around it.
Yes, that is my understanding. In Fig. 4 you see a bulge in the copper pipe.
Inside that bulge is a second, stainless
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/what-is-stainless-steel-made-of.html
Harry
- Original Message
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 7:55:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: \It\'s a nuclear
reaction\
/ The
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Dennis den...@netmdc.com wrote:
The patent drawings sure looks like cylinder type vessel containing Ni and
surrounded by flowing water.
Yeah, and that is probably similar to the 12 kW reactor; but, the heat
variance over that amount of material required 5 heaters
Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote:
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/what-is-stainless-steel-made-of.html
This does not say how much copper impurity is found. It must be less than
0.15% I guess. Allowable Impurities for stainless steel are listed in ASTM
A276 but you gotta pay for that.
- Jed
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, and that is probably similar to the 12 kW reactor; but, the heat
variance over that amount of material required 5 heaters to control.
The much simplified single heater with a smaller output is actually an
ingenious
yes, I would think that a practical design would be to have a single large
flow system with several of the stainless reactors down inside the flow
instead of having a hundred widen copper tubes to make.
I also think that the additive is something that keeps the Ni surface
reduced and supports
All this being said, how do you avoid the isotopic ash in a true N
reaction as Mr. Beene originally points out?
T
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
For a 50 cc volume, the internal sphere would have a radius of about 1
inch (2.8 cm).
That should be 2.3 cm internal radius. Sloppy math!
T
I wonder if any of the other components of stainless steel might facilitate the
reaction
harry
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 8:26:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Swedish physicists on the E-cat: \It\'s a nuclear
reaction\
/ The used
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote:
I wonder if any of the other components of stainless steel might facilitate
the reaction
Dunno. But the SS pit could contain any radioactivity from
isotopes. This could allow Rossi to say that the ECat is not
What do you want from life?
Well, you can't have that, but if you're an American citizen you are
entitled to:
a heated kidney shaped pool,
a microwave oven--don't watch the food cook, . . .
T
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
What do you want from life?
Well, you can't have that, but if you're an American citizen you are
entitled to:
a heated kidney shaped pool,
a microwave oven--don't watch the food cook, . . .
I am turning in for the
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
It looks to me like the water inlet goes through the center of the reactor.
This would likely be a copper pipe along the axis, surrounded by the nickel
powder.
I gather Ed Storms also thinks that is the configuration, with the water
flowing through the
Oh no I agree with Jed.
Notice if it is just a SS cylinder inside some flowing water, it would be very
easy to scale up. Just a bigger pipe or even a pond with lots of Cylinders
down inside .
D2
From: Jed Rothwell
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 7:38 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
On 04/06/2011 11:28 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
From Stephen
...
It's more likely that Levi is in on the gag than that
transmutation from nickel to copper produced natural
isotope ratios in the ash. The former merely requires
the assumption that a few humans are acting
In the Essen report, Fig. 3, you see the hydrogen pipe at the top of the
cell, and the power lead for the resistance heater at the bottom (the red
wire). I am assuming both of pass through the outer copper sleeve, and then
into the inner cylindrical stainless steel container. Granted, that might
It worth noting that nickel and copper are often found together in mineral
deposits.
Harry
From: Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 5:08:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nickel and Copper
oh it is not surprising that they are claiming copper is produced,
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 6 Apr 2011 06:09:13 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Even hydrinos would result in an isotopic imbalance.
Actually, the ratio of Ni62/Ni64 is about the same as the ratio of Cu63/Cu65, so
adding a proton to Ni62 to give Cu63 and to Ni64 to give Cu65 would
automatically
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Wed, 6 Apr 2011 10:23:32 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Where are the electric fields that would cause electromigration? There are
no fields in copper pipes as far as I know.
...different metals form junctions. Two junctions at different temperatures will
form a
The write up says: the reaction chamber is made of stainless steel so I would assume that the
water flows around the outside of it.
Ron
--On Wednesday, April 06, 2011 4:17 PM -0700 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
wrote:
It looks to me like the water inlet goes through the center of the
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Wed, 06 Apr 2011 22:25:21 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
OTOH I suppose we can assume that lots of copper migrated, a little
The problem with this is that the actual container holding the Ni is made of
steel, not copper. The Copper is a second outer container
In reply to OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson's message of Wed, 6 Apr 2011 09:30:21
-0500:
Hi,
[snip]
Regarding the hydrino theory, my first impression would be to conclude
(with absolutely no math to back this conclusion up with) that not
enough hydrogen was consumed (into hydrinos) that would
In reply to P.J van Noorden's message of Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:46:27 +0200:
Hi,
[snip]
The energy release of the hydrino producing reaction is 50 MJ/mol hydrogen
gas. The prefered reactionproduct seems to be H1/4.
See http://www.blacklightpower.com/papers/Eng%20Power050410S.pdf
So if 25 kWh is
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