Re: [Vo]:Krivit accuses Rossi of not being a scientist, which Rossi isn't

2011-07-03 Thread Damon Craig
It's over dude. My condolences. I, myself, have been feasting on crow for days. Rossi is a Fraud or Delusional. See Steven's Video of his trip to Italy. The pathetic steam output volume is the give-away. You can witness it somewhere near the end of the video. The SR-71 blackbird would be put to

Re: [Vo]:Krivit accuses Rossi of not being a scientist, which Rossi isn't

2011-07-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: It's over dude. My condolences. I, myself, have been feasting on crow for days. Rossi is a Fraud or Delusional. See Steven's Video of his trip to Italy. The pathetic steam output volume is the give-away. You're joking. This is ridiculous. There would be

[Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

2011-07-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is an analysis of Rossi's e-Cat steam test from Ed Storms. Actually, this is a combination of two messages he sent me, with a clarification inserted into item 2. - Jed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - A variety of ways the Rossi claims might be wrong have been suggested. Let's examine

RE: [Vo]:Krivit accuses Rossi of not being a scientist, which Rossi isn't

2011-07-03 Thread Jones Beene
LOL. The personal dynamics emerging out of the Rossi story as we move into Independence Day, especially on the journalism end of the spectrum, are becoming quaintly humorous, no? Let's face it: this is either the most important invention of all time or it is a massive, embarrassing scam. It's

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

2011-07-03 Thread Jeff Driscoll
Rossi has not done a definitive test. I don't trust him on his input mass flow rate (2 grams per second) or whether or not it was turned to vapor or just spurted out as liquid slugs of water into the drain. Levi has a lot to gain monetarily so I don't trust his high flow rate test (where there

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

2011-07-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:48 AM 7/3/2011, Jeff Driscoll wrote: Rossi has not done a definitive test. I don't trust him on his input mass flow rate (2 grams per second) or whether or not it was turned to vapor or just spurted out as liquid slugs of water into the drain. Or something in between. Levi has a lot

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

2011-07-03 Thread Daniel Rocha
The analysis of Ed Storm is consistent with the book chapters of 2 phase flows that I posted here another day. No one bothered to read that with attention and in case anyone does that will see that the only consistent solution is that there is at least 3200W of excess energy. The only way this

Re: [Vo]:renamed Axil\'s Tungsten

2011-07-03 Thread francis
Axil, I realize that high pressure hydrogen is presently necessary and that the Rossi device is very tolerant of ambient gases. My posit was that next generation devices may not need as much pressure if smaller geometries can be accomplished by milling and maintaining the powder in

Re: [Vo]:Krivit accuses Rossi of not being a scientist, which Rossi isn't

2011-07-03 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Let's face it: this is either the most important invention of all time It is one of the most important inventions right NOW. Harry

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

2011-07-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jeff Driscoll hcarb...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi has not done a definitive test. I don't trust him on his input mass flow rate (2 grams per second) . . . You don't trust that he can read a digital weight scale? Do you trust that Krivit can? If he had any presence of mind I suppose he checked,

RE: [Vo]:Lots of good information in Defkalion forum, mixed in with lots of nonsense

2011-07-03 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
These would make excellent absortion refrigerators and air conditioners which may be more efficient than going the electric route. In the Platen-Munters system, ( http://www.absreftec.com/downloads/chapter01.pdf ), ammonia water is freed of it's amonia by heat which is condensed into liquified

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

2011-07-03 Thread Rich Murray
Ed Storms posted: 1. Not all of the water is turned to steam. If applied power is making all of steam, the following would be observed. Applied power = 745 watt Flow rate = 7 liter/hr = 1.94 g/sec Power to heat water to 100° = 73°*4.18*1.94 = 592 watt Power to make steam = 745 - 592 = 153

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

2011-07-03 Thread Jeff Driscoll
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Jeff Driscoll hcarb...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi has not done a definitive test.  I don't trust him on his input mass flow rate (2 grams per second) . . . You don't trust that he can read a digital weight scale? not when

Re: [Vo]:Krivit accuses Rossi of not being a scientist, which Rossi isn't

2011-07-03 Thread Damon Craig
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: It's over dude. My condolences. I, myself, have been feasting on crow for days. Rossi is a Fraud or Delusional. See Steven's Video of his trip to Italy. The pathetic steam output

Re: [Vo]:Krivit accuses Rossi of not being a scientist, which Rossi isn't

2011-07-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: Calculating the output velocity is a good sanity check. Could you see what you get? No, it isn't a good sanity check at the end of a 3 m hose. It would be good with a short hose. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

2011-07-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jeff Driscoll hcarb...@gmail.com wrote: 2. Rossi's assertions of that steam quality can be measured with a Relative Humidity meter (it can't). Yes, it can. No it can't, I wrote a detailed email on Vortex as to why it can't, maybe I should repost it. Experts in those meters such as

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

2011-07-03 Thread Jeff Driscoll
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Jeff Driscoll hcarb...@gmail.com wrote: 2. Rossi's assertions of that steam quality can be measured with a Relative Humidity meter (it can't). Yes, it can. No it can't, I wrote a detailed email on Vortex as to

RE: [Vo]:Lots of good information in Defkalion forum, mixed in with lots of nonsense

2011-07-03 Thread Steven Vincent Johnson
From Jed: I do not know what Rossi prefers regarding safety. I have some concerns about his devices, because Celani detected a burst of radioactivity and because during the 18-hour test it seemed to produce a great deal of heat for a while. Everything I have seen points to Defkalion

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

2011-07-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:06 AM 7/3/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Here is an analysis of Rossi's e-Cat steam test from Ed Storms. Actually, this is a combination of two messages he sent me, with a clarification inserted into item 2. - Jed Thanks for forwarding this, Jed, and thanks to Dr. Storms for writing it.

[Vo]:cough, cough

2011-07-03 Thread Harry Veeder
from the end of this post http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/07/improvvisarsi-scienziati-nellera-di.html   google translation: Still on the steam, further alleged weakness of the measurements by Rossi would be the speed of the steam outlet pipe. According to many critics, that speed would be too

[Vo]:video 7kg/hr water -- steam ?

2011-07-03 Thread Harry Veeder
found this in the comment section of http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/07/improvvisarsi-scienziati-nellera-di.html   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_m3_uO7VhI   7kg of water per hour turned to steam?   Harry

Re: [Vo]:Krivit accuses Rossi of not being a scientist, which Rossi isn't

2011-07-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:12 PM 7/3/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Damon Craig mailto:decra...@gmail.comdecra...@gmail.com wrote: Calculating the output velocity is a good sanity check. Could you see what you get? No, it isn't a good sanity check at the end of a 3 m hose. It would be good with a short hose. It

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

2011-07-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:17 PM 7/3/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Jeff Driscoll mailto:hcarb...@gmail.comhcarb...@gmail.com wrote: 2. Rossi's assertions of that steam quality can be measured with a Relative Humidity meter (it can't). Yes, it can. No it can't, I wrote a detailed email on Vortex as to why it can't,

Re: [Vo]:Krivit accuses Rossi of not being a scientist, which Rossi isn't

2011-07-03 Thread Harry Veeder
Joshua suggested  off list the hose might be as long as 4.5m. (Think about all the bends etc.) If Rossi said it was 3m that was probably Rossi speak for a length of hose which I haven't bothered to measure accurately but which is long enough to run down from the e-cat, along the floor into the

Re: [Vo]:Analysis of e-Cat test by E. Storms

2011-07-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Galantini has never said that steam quality can be measured with a relative humidity meter. Not that I've seen. Of course he did! He gave the model number and the type of probe, and he said that he used it to determine that the steam is dry.

Re: [Vo]:video 7kg/hr water -- steam ?

2011-07-03 Thread Harry Veeder
  - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2011 9:45:06 PM Subject: [Vo]:video 7kg/hr water -- steam ? found this in the comment section of