Reminds me of lissajous patterns.
T
http://www.alienscientist.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?26-Frank-Znidarsic-(Special-Guest)sort=postusernameorder=asc
I guess it isn't a circuit, strictly speaking.
Anyway, Lewan said: Sure. I filled up the hose first before [I started]
measuring.
He also said that he measured the temperature of the condensate using his
own thermocouple. The number was lower than the heat exchanger cooling water
measured by the
Terry, Robert,
I Googled lissajous patterns in my on-going efforts to educate
myself. In the midst of learning about these interesting oscillating
patterns I came across an obscure web site managed by an independent
inventor named Jed Margolin. I stumbled across his web site because
Mr. Margoliln
Hi Steven...
Mr. Margolin's house pics don't look like southern Nevada at all... I think he
is here in Reno because the weblink for his house pics has a folder named
'vch', which is most likely Virginia City Highlands, which is a rural housing
development about 20 mins out of Reno to the
On 2011-10-12 18:26, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
An English translation of Stremmenos' message to Defkalion GT appeared
on JONP is supposed to be posted soon on NyTeknik.
A translation has been posted today on 22passi instead:
Further reading confirmed my suspicions...
http://www.jmargolin.com/vch/myhouse.htm
The new house I bought is in Virginia City Highlands, about 22 miles South East
of Reno and 5 miles North of Virginia City.
-Original Message-
From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net]
Italian only...
http://www.radio24.ilsole24ore.com/player/player.php?
filename=111013-mrkilowatt.mp3
mic
Another attempt to untangle Rossi’s mess:
We’ve established that calorimetry for latest Oct 6 demo is badly flawed –
due to awful temp measurement on secondary loop, so here is an alternative
methodology to try and extract something useful.
As the temperature in the reactor rises above 100°C
Bob Higgins of Motorola Solutions did an analysis
which he sent to Mats Lewans, who copied it to me
and a couple of others on Vortex.
Hello Mr. Lewan,
I am enclosing my spreadsheet analysis of the
data you published for Ing. Rossis October 6
test at U. of Bologna of his E-cat. In this
← E-Cat Test Demonstrates Energy
Losshttp://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/10/08/e-cat-test-demonstrates-energy-loss/
Rossi’s 11th Test, 11th Failure
Posted on October 10,
2011http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/10/10/rossis-11th-test-11th-failure/
by Steven B. Krivit
Oops. I did not mean to copy that here. I hope Steve is not upset.
I meant to comment on this one part:
My conclusion is that Lewan and Rossi made no flow measurements that would
allow them to directly calculate the energy output during the heating
phase.
That is incorrect. They made the same
I wrote:
it clearly shows that by the end of the warm-up period, I put energy
already exceeded input energy.
Meant to say: OUTPUT energy already exceeded input . . .
The point is, this is balance of heat generation and loss, similar to a
financial balance sheet. Not complicated.
- Jed
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Safety: Don’t stand near the fat cat. 30 litres of 125°C water and steam
at 1.5bar gauge pressure in a stupidly designed thin walled SQUARE pressure
vessel with one whole side held on by a few bolts and engineered by someone
of Rossi’s
Strange, I just commented on The EEStory.com thst input energy looks equal to
output up to the time Lewan turns on the infamous device that creates
frequencies which to my mind is clearly a meter beater.
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent:
Joe Catania wrote:
Strange, I just commented on The EEStory.com thst input energy looks
equal to output up to the time Lewan turns on the infamous device
that creates frequencies which to my mind is clearly a meter beater.
You have a vivid imagination. Perhaps you should inform Termometro
By the way, Lewan said that his electronic thermometer was inexpensive.
Not laboratory grade.
Even the inexpensive ones are reliable but not as accurate in my
experience. I think the cheap ones are often thermistors rather than
thermocouples.
- Jed
All water heaters should have a pressure relief valve. Heck, your
home water heater has one.
T
Yes your imagination is vivid. I'm refering to the clamp on ammeter of course.
Nice try.
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Krivit report on Oct. 6 Rossi test
Joe Catania wrote:
Hello,
I think this heatexchanger is not made for those big temperature
differences.
Usually these devices are designed for minimum temperature loss and so
they are optimized for low thermal resistance.
The steam inlet in Rossis configuration has 100° or more.
The warm water outlet has 30°
Joe Catania wrote:
Yes your imagination is vivid. I'm refering to the clamp on ammeter of
course. Nice try.
Ah, so you should inform Digimaster company that their instrument can be
fooled with a simple device. Please let us know their reply.
- Jed
Regarding Mr. Krivit's Oct. 10 installment:
It's a good example of what I mean when I have described Mr. Krivit as
being a cynic at heart. Being a cynic is neither good, nor bad. It is
how one uses their innate sense of cynicism in order to get to the
bottom of a tantalizing mystery that
Thanks, Akira ... More drama indeed! Move over, James Bond there is new
poker-faced gambler in town.
This is looking almost like financial suicide on Rossi's part (assuming DGT is
not bluffing). AR has made all the wrong strategic moves and with mind-boggling
naiveté. In contrast, the low key
I should? I've already done what I should do.
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Krivit report on Oct. 6 Rossi test
Joe Catania wrote:
Yes your imagination is vivid. I'm refering
Joe Catania wrote:
I should? I've already done what I should do.
Nonsense! You should tell the company. They will be grateful you have
discovered this terrible problem with their instrument. They may pay you
a large sum of money for helping them find this problem. You should
inform all of
At 04:56 PM 10/12/2011, Horace Heffner wrote:See this graph:
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/RossiT2Pout.png
Thanks --- It wasn't QUITE what I wanted but I photoshopped out
the yellow line and used it as
http://lenr.qumbu.com/111010_pics/HH_RossiT2Pou_at.png
I eyeballed in a couple
Obviously a lot of effort went into this. I am curious, where did the
information about the 1 bar pressure regulator in the outlet come from? How
does that talley with the 124°C temperature that was recorded at 15:58,
given that 124°C implies a pressure (saturated steam) of 2.25bar absoulute
Am 13.10.2011 21:08, schrieb Peter Heckert:
Hello,
I think this heatexchanger is not made for those big temperature
differences.
Usually these devices are designed for minimum temperature loss and so
they are optimized for low thermal resistance.
I made another picture to explain the
The point is more that the choice of a meter that can't measure high frequency
is requisite for this hoax.
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Krivit report on Oct. 6 Rossi test
Joe
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
I sure appreciate Mr. Krivit being a bit more forthcoming in his own
thought processes on the controversial Rossi Saga. . . .
This is carelessness. The information Krivit demanded from Lewan was right
there, in plain sight, in
At 01:03 PM 10/13/2011, Robert Lynn wrote:
Obviously a lot of effort went into this. I am
curious, where did the information about the 1
bar pressure regulator in the outlet come
from? How does that talley with the 124°C
temperature that was recorded at 15:58, given
that 124°C implies a
Joe Catania zrosumg...@aol.com wrote:
**
The point is more that the choice of a meter that can't measure high
frequency is requisite for this hoax.
Two different meters, in this case.
I suggest you make a box that fools both of these meters to demonstrate that
it can be done.
- Jed
Mr. Higgins did a fantastic diagram of the fat-cat...
-mark
I was concerned about the high temperatures being seen in the E-cat which were
not plausible without elevated pressure. I remembered seeing an account on the
web (can't recall where at the moment) where there was mention of a visible
spring used in a pressure limiter (think of a pressure
However, I'm not sure if he's got the dimensions of the heat spreaders
correct.
From all the pics of the fat-cat open, the heat spreader fins look to have a
uniform ~3cm clearance from the 4 walls. In Higgins' drawing, he shows the
heat spreaders having a much larger clearance on one side... I
The drawing I included is only meant to be a diagrammatic/schematic
representation to help understand the quantities being considered.
Regards, Bob Higgins
-Original Message-
From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 4:27 PM
To:
At 01:19 PM 10/13/2011, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
Mr. Higgins did a fantastic diagram of the fat-cat...
He offered me a higher-res version, if anyone wants it.
At 01:32 PM 10/13/2011, Higgins Bob-CBH003 wrote:
The drawing I included is only meant to be a diagrammatic/schematic
representation to help understand the quantities being considered.
Welcome to vortex
I suggest you accept my treatment was theoretical. Rossi should comply, not me.
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Krivit report on Oct. 6 Rossi test
Joe Catania zrosumg...@aol.com
Hi Bob,
I think all us Vorts appreciate the time you've put into the analyses and
diagrams...
I know you say the diagram is only meant to help visualize things, but from
what I've read and seen, it seems pretty accurate; not sure about the
pressure limiter. I think the water inlet is on the
For all you fellow code monkeys out there... Dennis Ritchie died.
The inventor of C, designer of a universal language syntax, and a major
contributor to UNIX died this week at the age of 60.
-m
Joe Catania wrote:
I suggest you accept my treatment was theoretical. Rossi should
comply, not me.
Rossi set up two meters, a Digitmaster DM201 and a Mastech MS2102. You
are saying you know a theoretical way to fool both of them,
simultaneously, with some sort of external signal generator
A Genius.
He was 70, indeed.
long:
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/business-of-it/2011/10/13/dennis-ritchie-father-of-unix-and-c-dies-40094176/
short: http://goo.gl/BRUJc
mic
2011/10/13 Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net:
For all you fellow code monkeys out there... Dennis Ritchie
At 01:57 PM 10/13/2011, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
For all you fellow code monkeys out there... Dennis Ritchie died.
The best Obit I saw was Goodbye, World
70, goto 10? well, only if you believe in reincarnation, I guess.
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Michele Comitini
michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
A Genius.
He was 70, indeed.
long:
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/business-of-it/2011/10/13/dennis-ritchie-father-of-unix-and-c-dies-40094176/
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Given the circumstances, it seems at least arguable that they have done this,
and that Stemmenos may have been their ace-in-the-hole, so to speak.
Ace? Hole?
LOL! And from a JD. :-)
T
Jed if you can't explain your position you are a fraud. Me building a test
circuit is not going to vindicate you. Lewan hasn't answered queries about the
freq device but most people know that cheap meters cannot follow this well. If
current and voltage aren't in phase its no good. If high freqs
Could putting the 3 reactors in the same box build a dangerous
positive feedback in case one goes out of control?
That's worrisome!
Kaboom! That would make it to mainstream news! ;-)
mic
2011/10/13 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com:
All water heaters should have a pressure relief valve.
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Hi Bob,
I think all us Vorts appreciate the time you've put into the analyses and
diagrams...
Yes! Welcome to Vortex, Bob.
I'm curious. At one time it was rumored that Motorola was interested
in the CETI
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Michele Comitini
michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
Could putting the 3 reactors in the same box build a dangerous
positive feedback in case one goes out of control?
I thought it was 4 reactors.
T
What I wunder about is whether the process is enclosed in an infinite loop...
For (;;) {
// Oh no! Not again!
}
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Hi Mark,
I will consider such a drawing. However, the present diagram is not
geometrically correct - the internal unit is rotated in the
cross-section so as to highlight the fins. What is needed is a proper
drawing from the pictures. I just don't know what useful insight would
be obtained from
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Another attempt to untangle Rossi’s mess . . .
So how do the results from this method look? Well the total steam
enthalpy flow throughout the 100°C period from 13:46 to 19:59 is 52.7MJ
(substantially greater than the 32.1MJ . . .
That's
At this point, I can only say that my involvement is personal. I was
around in those Patterson days and was part of a panel that considered
Motorola's involvement. Unfortunately, I am one of the few from that
group that is still with the company. Patterson really didn't want
Motorola's
Joe,
A poll of everyone here would surprise me if you got 10%
support regarding this method of sneaking power into the reactor. I respect
your skepticism even though I often disagree with your conclusions but I
always make time to read your posts. In this instance I think
At 03:26 PM 10/13/2011, Higgins Bob-CBH003 wrote:
Hi Mark,
I will consider such a drawing. However, the present diagram is not
geometrically correct - the internal unit is rotated in the
cross-section so as to highlight the fins. What is needed is a proper
drawing from the pictures. I just
Hi Bob,
Having some basic dimensioning (height, width, length, etc.) would have been
helpful for many of the analyses done to date, however, at this late stage
it probably isn't much needed. I am still trying to get Horace to read my
articles about the dimensions of the spreader, since Lewan's
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Higgins Bob-CBH003
bob.higg...@motorolasolutions.com wrote:
At this point, I can only say that my involvement is personal. I was
around in those Patterson days and was part of a panel that considered
Motorola's involvement. Unfortunately, I am one of the few
I think the resistor network and finite element approaches discussed
below are a great track for understanding the possible magnitude of the
Tout error. The big uncertainty is the pipe thread. It may take
experiments to estimate the thermal resistance across the pipe thread -
particularly if it
From Jones
...
Of course, this conclusion is valid only if DGT has indeed duplicated
the technology successfully.
U sure have a knack for generating fertile speculation.
BTW, have you been able to discern anything interesting from the BLP CIHT
patent? I seem to recall in that your last
A belated welcome to Bob Higgins and all the other newcomers brought
here by the Rossi extravaganza.
On Oct 13, 2011, at 3:35 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
Hi Bob,
Having some basic dimensioning (height, width, length, etc.) would
have been
helpful for many of the analyses done to
At 05:58 PM 10/13/2011, Horace Heffner wrote:
It does not appear there are any fins on the bottom of the reactor
housing.
My confidential observer said that there ARE fins on the bottom.
I pleaded with him to get photos of everything WITH a ruler but
here we are again pixel-peeping!
On Oct 13, 2011, at 4:11 PM, Higgins Bob-CBH003 wrote:
I think the resistor network and finite element approaches discussed
below are a great track for understanding the possible magnitude of
the
Tout error. The big uncertainty is the pipe thread. It may take
experiments to estimate the
-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
BTW, have you been able to discern anything interesting from the BLP CIHT
patent? I seem to recall in that your last comment on the matter you had not
uncovered anything of particular interest.
I was hoping that Robin,
On Oct 13, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 05:58 PM 10/13/2011, Horace Heffner wrote:
It does not appear there are any fins on the bottom of the reactor
housing.
My confidential observer said that there ARE fins on the bottom.
I pleaded with him to get photos of everything WITH
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Hi Horace,
Sorry! I didn't mean to be a pest, but I didn't even get an ACK that
indicated you had seen my post (or personal email) about this issue... next
time, if possible, just a quick note to indicate that you saw the post or
email and are working on it... for a trivial issue I wouldn't care,
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