Re: [Vo]:NI and Rossi not related anymore

2012-02-19 Thread Wolf Fischer
Hm if NI was working under an NDA they would use another choice of words to deny a relationship with Rossi, I think, wouldn't they? Betts words are pretty clear (if it is correct what Krivit states on NET) and do not seem to leave much room for interpretation... Further as they explicitly

[Vo]:INFORMAVORE's SUNDAY No 495

2012-02-19 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Colleagues, I have just published: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2012/02/informavores-sunday-no-495.html with a LENR-focused foreword. Please take in consideration that without your help my Problem Solving Rules will not be translated in all the languages as planned in:

[Vo]:Defkalion- Onasis Oil Tankers and Greek Government

2012-02-19 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex-L, Was thinking of Defkalion- Onasis Oil Tankers and the Greek Goverment.. Was thinking Defklaion..should be carefully watching their backs. Decades ago, I saw the Greek Movie called: Zsimply chilling Perhaps a similar scenario for Defklaion. Ron Kita, Chiralex

Re: [Vo]:how common is heat pump / absorption cooling?

2012-02-19 Thread Robert Lynn
Absorption heat pumps are mainly used for industrial hot water using warm water or other waste heat sources. For domestic use they are not currently common due to higher cost than electrically driven heat pumps and have low COP of typically 1-2 vs 4-8 for electrical heat pumps, (though when

[Vo]:Vertical farming in Linköping, Sweden

2012-02-19 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Hello, First multistory vertical farm is being build into Linköping! It has in sun facing side a vertical farm and dark side is for offices. This is the way to go! Vertical farms may be initially costly, but they will get eventually cheaper, when technology evolves. Imagine this map to be wholly

Re: [Vo]:how common is heat pump / absorption cooling?

2012-02-19 Thread Nigel Dyer
Gas powered fridges have been around for many years, where the heat from a gas flame, together with heat pump technology, is used to cool a fridge. These are often used in caravans Nigel On 19/02/2012 02:39, Andre Blum wrote: Rossi says an optional cooling / air conditioning module can

RE: [Vo]:how common is heat pump / absorption cooling?

2012-02-19 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
Some buildings here in Phoenix use ammonia absorption cooling but I don't think it works very well when the outside temperature gets close to 50° C ( 122 °F ). Another company here was developing a lithium chloride liquid dessicant air conditioner. http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy99osti/24688.pdf

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Vertical farming in Linköping, Sweden

2012-02-19 Thread James Bowery
Humans burn calories at a rate greater than 100W. Photosynthesis, in the best conditions (algae) converts only about 6% of insolation to biomass. The plants typically used in vertical gardening are more like 1% efficient at generating biomass, and of that biomass only about 20% is actually

Re: [Vo]:A brief, semi-classical take on Widom-Larsen theory

2012-02-19 Thread Alain Sepeda
if you red WL theory, they say that the neutrons are generated from coherents pairs of p+e, and the result is a group of possible neutrons widely distributed among the coherents p, thus slow and delocalized a kind of schodinger cat gang most are alive, but one is dead, but nobody knows which, so

Re: [Vo]:NI and Rossi not related anymore

2012-02-19 Thread Ransom Wuller
I am just suggesting that commercialization of the ecat will require more then Leonardo Corp or Rossi. If Rossi is really developing a commercial product he will need Partners and the structure of that relationship would have been the first order of business after October. So it would not

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Vertical farming in Linköping, Sweden

2012-02-19 Thread Robert Lynn
Photosynthesis is actually a fairly inefficient process. 20GWh of sunlight on a hectare of land over a year might yield 30MWh of Wheat (8,000kg). But if we have cheap power we can make a reasonable proportion of animal feeds from CO2 and Water using chemical processing (simple glycerol,

Re: [Vo]:Vertical farming in Linkoping Sweden

2012-02-19 Thread Jouni Valkonen
James, with vertical farming food production is at least six times more efficient per m², because growing season is 365 days / 24 hours and growth conditions are optimized. That means that single person's vegetarian diet is requiring less than 100 m². But as one store takes just about 1.5 m in

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Vertical farming in Linköping, Sweden

2012-02-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: If you live in the desert southwest of the US, you would require an area 500m^2 to gather enough insolation for one person -- and that's assuming they are strict vegetarians. That's 0.1 acres. That is not enough to grow enough for one person. Not in an

Re: [Vo]:how common is heat pump / absorption cooling?

2012-02-19 Thread David Roberson
We are using a propane heated refrigerator in a hunting cabin on a mountain side where there are no electrical lines available. It is quiet and works very well for us. The unit came from a camper that is no longer in use. Dave -Original Message- From: Nigel Dyer

Re: [Vo]:Vertical farming in Linkoping Sweden

2012-02-19 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Jed wrote: Cosmoplant factory, 1 indoor acre = 1,000 outdoor acres. I think you are here counting in all the floors. With this kind of counting Despommier has calculated that it is possible to go up to 500x productivity. With artificial light boosting, I would say that 2000x is certainly not

Re: [Vo]:Leonado Corp Ownership

2012-02-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I personally do not see WL theory as something that would require much more than an undergraduate level . . . Well, I took undergraduate level physics, albeit in 1975. A mid-level course at Cornell. I got A's. But we never touched on anything as

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Vertical farming in Linköping, Sweden

2012-02-19 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: Photosynthesis is actually a fairly inefficient process. 20GWh of sunlight on a hectare of land over a year might yield 30MWh of Wheat (8,000kg). But if we have cheap power we can make a reasonable proportion

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Vertical farming in Linköping, Sweden

2012-02-19 Thread Harry Veeder
That's great. I hope the operation proves to be profitable. At this time vertical farming should be part of a government funded agricultural research program. Harry On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, First multistory vertical farm is being

Re: [Vo]:Leonado Corp Ownership

2012-02-19 Thread Daniel Rocha
You can tell that WL theory does not fit experiments since it does not predict the formation of He4 within a few hours of experiment. Thus, the constant attacks of Krivit on MacKubre's M4 experiment. That experiment rules out, completely, WL theory. Thus, Krivit makes himself a stooge by

Re: [Vo]:Leonado Corp Ownership

2012-02-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: You can tell that WL theory does not fit experiments since it does not predict the formation of He4 within a few hours of experiment. WL try to explain this discrepancy, don't they? Thus, the constant attacks of Krivit on MacKubre's M4

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Vertical farming in Linköping, Sweden

2012-02-19 Thread Robert Lynn
When you say the human population pressure would be reduced, what do you mean? Do you mean there would be fewer hungry people? Yes, and if we could make animal food through chemical processing from CO2 and H2O then we wouldn't require as much land for agriculture and so we could have more

[Vo]:In vitro meat production

2012-02-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
In a thread infected with the recursive Vo error, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Growing plants for food may be energy inefficient, but eating animals strikes me as indulgent and unethical if we could chemical synethsize all our food needs. I do not think it will be possible to

Re: [Vo]:Leonado Corp Ownership

2012-02-19 Thread Daniel Rocha
No, not at all. They rely on circumstantial evidence of unusual LENR processes and on Krivit, to try to put McKubre to shame. 2012/2/19 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: You can tell that WL theory does not fit experiments since it does not

RE: [Vo]:Leonado Corp Ownership

2012-02-19 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Jed: ... Krivit has done important work, and he has done a lot of good for the field. Both Steven and I have worked with Krivit, and benefited from the experience. So I do not wish to turn this thread into a bash Steve Krivit extravaganza. But I would like to add one thing.

Re: [Vo]:In vitro meat production

2012-02-19 Thread Axil Axil
The efficiency of food production can be increased many fold by the elimination of most non-essential animal parts and systems. The elimination of unproductive body parts such as skin, bones, fat, nerves, head, hoofs, beaks, claws, hair, feathers, intestines, reproductive parts, and the others

[Vo]:[JONP] About Leonardo Corp. property + end of partnership with NI

2012-02-19 Thread Michele Comitini
From JONP http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580cpage=4#comment-187119. By the way is there anywhere a more accurate business directory than this for NH? https://www.sos.nh.gov/corporate/soskb/Corp.asp?414253 Lu Fong February 19th, 2012 at 2:15 PM Dear Andrea Rossi, I am watching

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Vertical farming in Linköping, Sweden

2012-02-19 Thread Alain Sepeda
a bit off topic, but not so much there is a strong movement like what Harry says, a new phase (among many previous) of malthusianism... some says that it is the reaction of elits when their garden (environment, confort) is menaces by a herd of poors becoming rich... To be honest I totally support

Re: [Vo]:The first real NiH reactor

2012-02-19 Thread Alain Sepeda
good design, but I think it is not adapted to the need. your design save energy, but at the cost of investment. the structure of LENR is that it is investment that cost, not fuel. so my vision is that classic water, moderate temperature, will will, because it will ensure the least total cost

Re: [Vo]:Leonado Corp Ownership

2012-02-19 Thread Daniel Rocha
Beta delayed? Don't you mean beta speed up? In order to get to He4, tritium decay should be accelerated, from a half life of 10years to something of miliseconds. 2012/2/19 Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com this decay is well known, so no new physics involved... it can be considered by

Re: [Vo]:The first real NiH reactor

2012-02-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: good design, but I think it is not adapted to the need. your design save energy, but at the cost of investment. the structure of LENR is that it is investment that cost, not fuel. so my vision is that classic water, moderate temperature, will will,

Re: [Vo]:FYI (French) : question to Areva on Defkalion pass moderation

2012-02-19 Thread Alain Sepeda
just about the answer to that question http://www.areva.com/ajaxpub/dialog/DetailQuestion.aspx?idQuestion=1027 is beside the question, talking about Hyperion small nuclear reactor once again (coherent for corp) they say they use only mature technology, no reference to Defkalion 2012/2/13

Re: [Vo]:The first real NiH reactor

2012-02-19 Thread Axil Axil
We are talking the cost effective generation of electricity here. Let us draw proper lessens from recent history and current reality. If the production of electric power was more cost efficient in the individual home, then natural gas turbines would be now found in everyone’s basement; but there

Re: [Vo]:Leonado Corp Ownership

2012-02-19 Thread Alain Sepeda
no, as they say in the slide, it is alpha disintegration, that follow the rythm of beta decay. It is their explanation, and it seems standard physic (even if there is a needed trick either with energetic state or pauli-excluded beta) I could find those exambles cited beside the slides of Larsen

Re: [Vo]:The first real NiH reactor

2012-02-19 Thread Alain Sepeda
I agree with your vision. just one detail, nuclear energy huge size is alos linked to the need to concentrate criticall mass, AND safety protection in one place... the possibility of medium sized nuclear power plant, like hyperion look like another compromize. however saftery is also critical in

Re: [Vo]:Leonado Corp Ownership

2012-02-19 Thread Daniel Rocha
But that requires very heavy nucleus, like thorium or uranium. And it would present a similar problem to explain the presence beginning with tritium, since alpha emitters in general have very long decay times, at least for the purpose of the experiment. Just check the list of half lives of

[Vo]:A short rebuttal to the proponents and protagonists of Widom Larson Theory [GoatGuy@NextBigFuture]

2012-02-19 Thread Daniel Rocha
http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/02/short-rebuttal-to-proponents-and.html There are things that are agree and other that I do not agree. But most of the terms are straw man involving e-cats and LENR in general. I cannot respond because I was banned there for complaining about a war against Iran

Re: [Vo]:The first real NiH reactor

2012-02-19 Thread Axil Axil
A flexible interface matching LENR modular steam boiler that can be fitted into the current electric power plant infrastructure footprint would have a large and eager customer base from in-place current electric utilities. Such an approach would save untold $billions in existing electric power

Re: [Vo]:The first real NiH reactor

2012-02-19 Thread Jay Caplan
I agree, the market will decide the optimum scale and location for these types of generating facilities for the best economy. The risk is that govs will intervene with tax credits and regulations to influence how and where energy is produced - this invariably leads to distortions and

Re: [Vo]:In vitro meat production

2012-02-19 Thread Axil Axil
Meat production already takes up more than half of the world's estimated agricultural capacity, in one way or another. U.N. figures show that animal farming takes up 30 percent of the planet's exposed land mass. And over the next 40 years, the demand for meat products is expected to double. If

Re: [Vo]:In vitro meat production

2012-02-19 Thread David Roberson
I hope that the scientists can achieve the look and taste of normal meats. It would be difficult to eat fabricated meat products unless they closely resemble the real thing. I suppose that people can learn to accept whatever is placed before them as food, but thus far there is little

Re: [Vo]:FYI (French) : question to Areva on Defkalion pass moderation

2012-02-19 Thread Peter Gluck
Thank you, dear Alain I think after the first official tests, Friday-Sunday this week there will be real discussions about the Hyperions. Peter On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: just about the answer to that question

[Vo]:Time Crystals

2012-02-19 Thread Axil Axil
Time Crystals Reference: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1202.2539.pdf And a companion paper… http://arxiv.org/pdf/1202.2537.pdf It sounds like the title of a bad fantasy movie — time crystals — but it could be the next big thing in theoretical physics which might be worth the time and pain to rap

Re: [Vo]:[JONP] About Leonardo Corp. property + end of partnership with NI

2012-02-19 Thread Susanna Gipp
End of Partnership? Which one? LOL As far as we know, it has not even started. In my opinion he just got in touch with the local italian dealer, browsed the product catalogue, made a lot of chatters as he loves to, received a quote, got scared and ran away. The length of his answer on JoNP,