Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-02 Thread Alain Sepeda
2014/1/2 Foks0904 . foks0...@gmail.com Garwin and Lewis is it linked to that report http://newenergytimes.com/v2/reports/GarwinLewisReport/garwin.shtml what an irony that Lewis, who seems to be THE CAUSE of general LENR denial, admitted in silence that it worked.

[Vo]:Was Garwin Lying on CBS 60 Minutes..Cold Fusion- Hot Again??

2014-01-02 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex-L Was Garwin lying on CBS 60 Minutes- Cold Fusion, Hot Again CBS was 2009 and his Pentagon Letter was 1993: http://www.scoop.it/t/lenr-revolution-in-process-cold-fusion Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex The Truth is Out There

Re: [Vo]:Was Garwin Lying on CBS 60 Minutes..Cold Fusion- Hot Again??

2014-01-02 Thread Foks0904 .
Garwin is in denial. He knows input power is a red herring, nonsense argument. His public statements are motivated by politics. On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Vortex-L Was Garwin lying on CBS 60 Minutes- Cold Fusion, Hot Again CBS was

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-02 Thread David Roberson
I just read the paper again and believe that the author is not confident that excess heat is being generated. He apparently has witnessed the small signal detected by the apparatus, but expresses caution that this result might contain measurement errors of an unknown type. This reminds me of

[Vo]:Linear Operation of ECAT Modeled

2014-01-02 Thread David Roberson
I have been toying with a new computer model of the ECAT that I constructed the other day. The concepts that are being presented are based upon a simple model of the ECAT that has many assumptions since Rossi has not released many of the detailed technical information required to construct a

RE: [Vo]:Linear Operation of ECAT Modeled

2014-01-02 Thread Jones Beene
Dave, Did you consider a negative differential resistance scenario for the input? This would make for nonlinear operation but it is closer to what Rossi is suggesting. It implies a sweet spot in the parameters which should be easier to control since there would be both positive and

Re: [Vo]:Linear Operation of ECAT Modeled

2014-01-02 Thread David Roberson
The model I constructed is fairly simple in form. In this particular case I used a forth order function of power internally generated versus core internal temperature. I also tried many other functions, but felt that the magnitude of the nonlinearity was within reason with the forth order

RE: [Vo]:Linear Operation of ECAT Modeled

2014-01-02 Thread Jones Beene
From: David Roberson Could you offer a simple description of the behavior of the negative differential resistance function that you mention? Looks like you are already doing something similar. Wiki has an entry for the electronic version. The image of the curve is an ascending double

[Vo]:Isaac Asimov predicts the world of 2014 in 1964

2014-01-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/03/23/lifetimes/asi-v-fair.html Too optimistic about many technologies, but not bad. Arthur Clarke did a better job in my opinion. - Jed

RE: [Vo]:Linear Operation of ECAT Modeled

2014-01-02 Thread MarkI-Zeropoint
Sounds like one of Rossi's controllability issues may come from the temperature stability of the cooling fluid itself. Dave's explanation sounds as if the control loop is expecting a rather consistent cooling fluid inlet temperature... and that may be the case if running off the city water

Re: [Vo]:Isaac Asimov predicts the world of 2014 in 1964

2014-01-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
Yeah, he missed the part about 1/55 kids with autism, amphibians disappearing, starfish melting, birds dropping from the sky, trees disappearing, reactors melting down, reefs bleaching, Earth warming, Alzheimer's and some cancers increasing. Other than that it is one big f($$ worldwide party...

Re: [Vo]:Isaac Asimov predicts the world of 2014 in 1964

2014-01-02 Thread Edmund Storms
Good point Stewart. People like to hear about all the good things the future holds but its the bad things that are worth knowing so that they can be avoid. For example, people look forward to having their work done by robots but each robot puts several people out of work, who now cannot

Re: [Vo]:Isaac Asimov predicts the world of 2014 in 1964

2014-01-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is a prediction he got way wrong, but you can't blame him. The improvements in optical fibers beginning around 1970 were astounding: Any number of simultaneous conversations between earth and moon can be handled by modulated laser beams, which are easy to manipulate in space. On earth,

Re: [Vo]:Isaac Asimov predicts the world of 2014 in 1964

2014-01-02 Thread James Bowery
To be fair, Ed, the left wing fights the solution too. The solution being the unconditional basic income. It was the last thing Martin Luther King, Jr. recommended as the proper solution to inequality -- just before he was assassinated. The Southern Poverty Law Center has never advocated it

Re: [Vo]:Isaac Asimov predicts the world of 2014 in 1964

2014-01-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, he missed the part about 1/55 kids with autism, amphibians disappearing, starfish melting, birds dropping from the sky, trees disappearing, reactors melting down, reefs bleaching, Earth warming, Alzheimer's and some cancers increasing. . . . I

Re: [Vo]:Isaac Asimov predicts the world of 2014 in 1964

2014-01-02 Thread James Bowery
Erratum: Murray proposed this as a scholar with the American Enterprise Institute, not the Cato Institute. On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 1:14 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: To be fair, Ed, the left wing fights the solution too. The solution being the unconditional basic income. It was

Re: [Vo]:Isaac Asimov predicts the world of 2014 in 1964

2014-01-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: To be fair, Ed, the left wing fights the solution too. The solution being the unconditional basic income.. . . That is a little unfair to the left wing. The idea of an unconditional basic income has been around for a while, but people only began taking

Re: [Vo]:Isaac Asimov predicts the world of 2014 in 1964

2014-01-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
The future is uncertain and the end is always near - Doors, Roadhouse Blues. 1970 On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Good point Stewart. People like to hear about all the good things the future holds but its the bad things that are worth knowing so that

Re: [Vo]:Isaac Asimov predicts the world of 2014 in 1964

2014-01-02 Thread ChemE Stewart
Why Are ASDs Increasing? [image: Prevalence of ASDs per 1,000 Children. 2002: 6.6, 2006: 9.0, 2008: 11.3]At CDC, we know that people want answers to what is causing this increase, and so do we. The reasons for the increase in the identified prevalence of Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASDs) are not

Re: [Vo]:Isaac Asimov predicts the world of 2014 in 1964

2014-01-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com quotes the CDC: However, the data tell us one thing with certainty—more children are being identified as having ASDs than ever before and these children and their families need help. No one disputes this. However, some experts believe the illness is being

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I just read the paper again and believe that the author is not confident that excess heat is being generated. He should be, though. Because as he himself says: The uncertainty in excess power measurement is about 50 mW, but the excess power appears to

[Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins

2014-01-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://news.cnet.com/2300-13576_3-10017501-4.html They are replacing the blimps with Zeppelin NTs designed by Zeppelin Luftschifftechnik (ZLT) of Friedrichshafen, Germany. It is amazing that ZLT is still in business after all this time. There have not been commercial zeppelins since the

RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins

2014-01-02 Thread Chris Zell
Saying except for the explosion is rather Pythonesque. Hopefully, they have enough helium.

Re: [Vo]:Linear Operation of ECAT Modeled

2014-01-02 Thread David Roberson
I suspect that a change of the temperature of the incoming water will cause a disturbance to the loop. Rossi must allow sufficient margin for his drive to account for this behavior since it will no doubt be encountered. It would be a good idea for him to control the coolant flow rate on the

Re: [Vo]:McKubre visitors who peer-reviewed his lab, then get (unethically) silent

2014-01-02 Thread David Roberson
He should have confidence in what he has seen, but I can think of other things that one might see on fleeting occasions but still have reservations. I suppose UFO's, ghosts, and etc. fall into that category. It just appears that many people maintain some level of doubt regardless of the

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins

2014-01-02 Thread David Roberson
Hey, if they really want to make a light ship, then figure a way to enclose a vacuum. With material science advancing at the rate that it is that might actually become feasible one day. Another idea would be to come up with a way to thermally insulate the container to a super degree and then

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins

2014-01-02 Thread fznidarsic
They are building a giant drone Zepplin here in Johnstown. It will be tethered and fly at 20,000 feet. The other parts will be built in Texas. The technology is classified. What next? Frank -Original Message- From: Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com

Fwd: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins

2014-01-02 Thread fznidarsic
Maybe it will hold a death ray. Such a thing was predicted 75 years ago. -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Jan 2, 2014 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins They are building

Re: [Vo]:Isaac Asimov predicts the world of 2014 in 1964

2014-01-02 Thread James Bowery
When a prominent libertarian scholar with the premiere conservative public policy think tank puts his credibility on the line for it and the Democrats -- none of them -- do, I'm sorry, Jed: There is something seriously amiss with the Democrats. On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Jed Rothwell

RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins

2014-01-02 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
With ECAT's just plain old hot air balloons have infinite endurance. From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2014 3:44 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins Hey, if they really want to make

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins

2014-01-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
fznidar...@aol.com wrote: They are building a giant drone Zepplin here in Johnstown. A zeppelin or a blimp? A zeppelin has internal structure. It will be tethered and fly at 20,000 feet. That is quite a long tether! I wonder what it is made of. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins

2014-01-02 Thread de Bivort Lawrence
Greetings, and a great 2014 to all. I am guessing that what was meant was that the Zeppelin would be tethered while stationary, and could cruise at 20,000 feet if so desired. Cheers, Lawry On Jan 2, 2014, at 5:30 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: fznidar...@aol.com wrote: They

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins

2014-01-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: Saying except for the explosion is rather Pythonesque. Hopefully, they have enough helium. I am sure they will. They don't waste it. They only need to replace that which leaks out. It tells you something about people in the 1930s that they were willing

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins

2014-01-02 Thread de Bivort Lawrence
Hydrogen was imposed upon the German operators as helium was embargoed against Germany for political reasons. Cheers, Lawry On Jan 2, 2014, at 2:33 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: See: http://news.cnet.com/2300-13576_3-10017501-4.html They are replacing the blimps with

Re: [Vo]:Isaac Asimov predicts the world of 2014 in 1964

2014-01-02 Thread de Bivort Lawrence
The notion of a guaranteed basic income has serious pros and cons: what one thinks of the possibility seems to reelect ones basic attitudes toward human motivation and work, collective responsibility, social cohesion, leisure-time use and productivity, etc. The idea is not a slam-dunk. I

Re: [Vo]:Isaac Asimov predicts the world of 2014 in 1964

2014-01-02 Thread James Bowery
If it weren't for the fact that the Federal government is so dead-set against any kind of decentralization of power and revenue, this and many other ideas would have been tested long ago in the laboratory of the States. The hubris of arrogating, to the Federal level, social policy is inhumane and

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins

2014-01-02 Thread Terry Blanton
No parachute, no potty, no problem: http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/02/travel/goodyear-blimp-main/index.html

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins

2014-01-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
de Bivort Lawrence ldebiv...@gmail.com wrote: Hydrogen was imposed upon the German operators as helium was embargoed against Germany for political reasons. True. But they went ahead and used it, and people flew with it. Hydrogen was not imposed on the R101, or the Graf Zeppelin. They were

Re: [Vo]:Isaac Asimov predicts the world of 2014 in 1964

2014-01-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: If it weren't for the fact that the Federal government is so dead-set against any kind of decentralization of power and revenue, this and many other ideas would have been tested long ago in the laboratory of the States. Do you mean the way marijuana is

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins

2014-01-02 Thread H Veeder
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.netwrote: With ECAT's just plain old hot air balloons have infinite endurance. a prediction for 2064. harry

Re: [Vo]:Isaac Asimov predicts the world of 2014 in 1964

2014-01-02 Thread James Bowery
No when I say revenue I mean it. If the Feds take the lion's share of the revenue it hog-ties the States in the most fundamental aspects of political economy experiments. On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: If it

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins

2014-01-02 Thread H Veeder
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 9:31 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. hoyt-stea...@cox.netwrote: With ECAT's just plain old hot air balloons have infinite endurance. a prediction for 2064. harry balloon cities harry

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins

2014-01-02 Thread fznidarsic
I don't know Jed. The details are unknown to me. Why bother building such a thing? As the found out in WWI they are extremely vulnerable. Satellites are better and more secure. That is quite a long tether! I wonder what it is made of. That's good question also. Frank

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins

2014-01-02 Thread Analog Fan
On Thursday, January 2, 2014 1:34 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: It is amazing that ZLT is still in business after all this time. It's not amazing - they are different companies. The original companies that constructed and operated the Hindenburg (Luftschiffbau Zeppelin,

Re: [Vo]:Isaac Asimov predicts the world of 2014 in 1964

2014-01-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: For example, people look forward to having their work done by robots but each robot puts several people out of work, who now cannot afford to buy a robot or anything else. In spite of this problem becoming obvious, the

Re: [Vo]:Isaac Asimov predicts the world of 2014 in 1964

2014-01-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 11:14 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: To be fair, Ed, the left wing fights the solution too. The solution being the unconditional basic income. It was the last thing Martin Luther King, Jr. recommended as the proper solution to inequality -- just before he

Re: [Vo]:Isaac Asimov predicts the world of 2014 in 1964

2014-01-02 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: It would be something else to see Americans emigrating en mass to Ireland, Italy and eastern bloc countries in order to make a better life for themselves and their children. No offense intended to anyone in these countries. This was just an allusion to the large migrations of people

Re: [Vo]:Isaac Asimov predicts the world of 2014 in 1964

2014-01-02 Thread James Bowery
If you listen to the video by Charles Murray, you'll be listening not only to a voice of reasonable compromise, but the voice of experience regarding overcoming political gridlock. I agree, however, that the US looks likely to be headed toward devolution if it can't work out some means of