Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project just uploaded a video

[Kevin O'Malley]

Last I was looking into this, it seemed like there was a scam being
run on MFMP.   It took all this rigmarole to get the guy to work with
you on a replication?

On 7/19/17, Che  wrote:
> So... what do people think about the ECCO cold fusion project from an
> Indian team? The MFMP seem impressed by a claimed COP of 8.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project just uploaded a video

[Che]

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:

> Last I was looking into this, it seemed like there was a scam being
> run on MFMP.   It took all this rigmarole to get the guy to work with
> you on a replication?
>

The SoundCloud audio clips make it clear that the main issue is the BANKS.
i.e.: the LOANSHARKS this guy was forced to mortgage his property to, or
similar.

The *interesting* stuff is the speculation that this apparently _elegant_
use of  sonic pressure involves *cavitation* operating on the
micrometer-size particles inside the slender ceramic tubing between the
electrodes. The video shows impressive heat production involving likely
said tubes.


Why would anyone think this guy is having the World on, as some sort of
scam..? That sort of thinking is AFAIC simply more ritual abuse of Occam's
poor razor. Considering the HUGE amount of work AND resources people put
into these sorts of things, *you* people really should be compelled to
*give them reasonable benefit of the doubt* -- until 'something comes up'
to -- justifiably -- indicate otherwise.

Sheesh. Misanthropists.






> On 7/19/17, Che  wrote:
> > So... what do people think about the ECCO cold fusion project from an
> > Indian team? The MFMP seem impressed by a claimed COP of 8.
>

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project just uploaded a video

[Kevin O'Malley]

Because if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a
duck, etc., it's probably a duck.

http://e-catworld.com/2017/07/14/mfmp-plan-and-proposal-regarding-ecco-device/

On 7/20/17, Che  wrote:

>
> Why would anyone think this guy is having the World on, as some sort of
> scam..? That sort of thinking is AFAIC simply more ritual abuse of Occam's
> poor razor. Considering the HUGE amount of work AND resources people put
> into these sorts of things, *you* people really should be compelled to
> *give them reasonable benefit of the doubt* -- until 'something comes up'
> to -- justifiably -- indicate otherwise.
>
> Sheesh. Misanthropists.

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project just uploaded a video

[Che]

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:

> Occham's Razor applies in scientific politics as well as it applies to
> other inductive pursuits.  And I'm not the one prevaricating, I'm
> trying to get PAST the evasion.   Why are you even here with your
> attitude?
>


'I know you are -- but what am I??'

I expect such juvenile games from people who start off poisoning the well,
like you did.

So be it.







>
> On 7/20/17, Che  wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Kevin O'Malley 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Because if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a
> >> duck, etc., it's probably a duck.
> >>
> >
> > That's the kind of bullshit, status-quo prevarication we get in Politix
> all
> > the time, eh? Shame on you for trying it here. It's not unlike kicking
> > someone in the head when they're already down: it's too easy, and it's
> not
> > fair play. Why are you even here, with an attitude like that..?
> >
> > Frankly Bub, this thing is NOT quacking like a duck as far as I can see,
> > based on a few videos and articles. I'm hoping we're actually seeing what
> > many of us hope we are seeing. HOW these things always end up failing in
> > the end, is what *I* want to know. The MFMP guy speaks elsewhere of 'dark
> > forces'... and being the subject of 'dark forces' myself -- I *KNOW* they
> > really DO exist. So AFAIC: there IS likely a conspiracy to derail ALL
> cold
> > fusion research.
> >
> > And I wonder who'd be behind THAT effort...
> >
> > For that matter: who burned down Tesla's lab..? I'll give you three
> > guesses. That's all you'd need.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> http://e-catworld.com/2017/07/14/mfmp-plan-and-proposal-
> >> regarding-ecco-device/
> >>
> >> On 7/20/17, Che  wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Why would anyone think this guy is having the World on, as some sort
> of
> >> > scam..? That sort of thinking is AFAIC simply more ritual abuse of
> >> Occam's
> >> > poor razor. Considering the HUGE amount of work AND resources people
> >> > put
> >> > into these sorts of things, *you* people really should be compelled to
> >> > *give them reasonable benefit of the doubt* -- until 'something comes
> >> > up'
> >> > to -- justifiably -- indicate otherwise.
> >> >
> >> > Sheesh. Misanthropists.
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project just uploaded a video

[Kevin O'Malley]

Occham's Razor applies in scientific politics as well as it applies to
other inductive pursuits.  And I'm not the one prevaricating, I'm
trying to get PAST the evasion.   Why are you even here with your
attitude?

On 7/20/17, Che  wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Kevin O'Malley 
> wrote:
>
>> Because if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a
>> duck, etc., it's probably a duck.
>>
>
> That's the kind of bullshit, status-quo prevarication we get in Politix all
> the time, eh? Shame on you for trying it here. It's not unlike kicking
> someone in the head when they're already down: it's too easy, and it's not
> fair play. Why are you even here, with an attitude like that..?
>
> Frankly Bub, this thing is NOT quacking like a duck as far as I can see,
> based on a few videos and articles. I'm hoping we're actually seeing what
> many of us hope we are seeing. HOW these things always end up failing in
> the end, is what *I* want to know. The MFMP guy speaks elsewhere of 'dark
> forces'... and being the subject of 'dark forces' myself -- I *KNOW* they
> really DO exist. So AFAIC: there IS likely a conspiracy to derail ALL cold
> fusion research.
>
> And I wonder who'd be behind THAT effort...
>
> For that matter: who burned down Tesla's lab..? I'll give you three
> guesses. That's all you'd need.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> http://e-catworld.com/2017/07/14/mfmp-plan-and-proposal-
>> regarding-ecco-device/
>>
>> On 7/20/17, Che  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Why would anyone think this guy is having the World on, as some sort of
>> > scam..? That sort of thinking is AFAIC simply more ritual abuse of
>> Occam's
>> > poor razor. Considering the HUGE amount of work AND resources people
>> > put
>> > into these sorts of things, *you* people really should be compelled to
>> > *give them reasonable benefit of the doubt* -- until 'something comes
>> > up'
>> > to -- justifiably -- indicate otherwise.
>> >
>> > Sheesh. Misanthropists.
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project just uploaded a video

[Che]

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:

> Because if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a
> duck, etc., it's probably a duck.
>

That's the kind of bullshit, status-quo prevarication we get in Politix all
the time, eh? Shame on you for trying it here. It's not unlike kicking
someone in the head when they're already down: it's too easy, and it's not
fair play. Why are you even here, with an attitude like that..?

Frankly Bub, this thing is NOT quacking like a duck as far as I can see,
based on a few videos and articles. I'm hoping we're actually seeing what
many of us hope we are seeing. HOW these things always end up failing in
the end, is what *I* want to know. The MFMP guy speaks elsewhere of 'dark
forces'... and being the subject of 'dark forces' myself -- I *KNOW* they
really DO exist. So AFAIC: there IS likely a conspiracy to derail ALL cold
fusion research.

And I wonder who'd be behind THAT effort...

For that matter: who burned down Tesla's lab..? I'll give you three
guesses. That's all you'd need.






>
> http://e-catworld.com/2017/07/14/mfmp-plan-and-proposal-
> regarding-ecco-device/
>
> On 7/20/17, Che  wrote:
>
> >
> > Why would anyone think this guy is having the World on, as some sort of
> > scam..? That sort of thinking is AFAIC simply more ritual abuse of
> Occam's
> > poor razor. Considering the HUGE amount of work AND resources people put
> > into these sorts of things, *you* people really should be compelled to
> > *give them reasonable benefit of the doubt* -- until 'something comes up'
> > to -- justifiably -- indicate otherwise.
> >
> > Sheesh. Misanthropists.
>
>

[Vo]:Rossi-Gullstrom paper published on July 18 on Arxiv.org

[Nick]

E-Cat QX Picture Posted in New Rossi-Gullstrom Paper (COP of 2000 reported with 
Calorimetry) | E-Cat World
  
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 https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.05249.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Rossi-Gullstrom paper published on July 18 on Arxiv.org

[Jones Beene]

What's wrong with this picture?

Great inventor presents crappy-looking experiment along with brain-dead 
theory... while at the same time,  he has just completed successful test 
of the most valuable energy device of all time - producing an average 
megawatt of power over a year at a gain of at least 6:1.


Yet this trillion $$ invention sits in a warehouse somewhere, gathering 
dust.


...uh... What am I missing?


 Nick wrote:
E-Cat QX Picture Posted in New Rossi-Gullstrom Paper (COP of 2000 
reported with Calorimetry) | E-Cat World 




https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.05249.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project just uploaded a video

[Kevin O'Malley]

I didn't accuse Suhas of scamming, although that's a distinct
possibility.   It looks to me like the lawyers and bankers that have a
hold over Suhas might be running a scam and I was urging MFMP to use
caution.   At the very least, buying real estate is  pretty far afield
from what MFMP's mission statement projects.

And in the link provided, I'm not the only one saying such things.
So pipe down, bub.   Argue the facts, not personality "types" and pure
bullshit.

On 7/20/17, Che  wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:16 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
> wrote:
>
>> What?   You're the one who started with the personal bullshit.
>> Buying real estate to help out an experimenter's debt situation is
>> pretty far afield from what MFMP's stated mission is declared.
>>
>
>
> You *accused* them of scamming. YOU started this, bub.
> But I have lots of experience with your type, understand... so don't think
> you're going to be able to misdirect anything here.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On 7/20/17, Che  wrote:
>> > On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Occham's Razor applies in scientific politics as well as it applies to
>> >> other inductive pursuits.  And I'm not the one prevaricating, I'm
>> >> trying to get PAST the evasion.   Why are you even here with your
>> >> attitude?
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > 'I know you are -- but what am I??'
>> >
>> > I expect such juvenile games from people who start off poisoning the
>> well,
>> > like you did.
>> >
>> > So be it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> On 7/20/17, Che  wrote:
>> >> > On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Kevin O'Malley
>> >> > 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Because if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a
>> >> >> duck, etc., it's probably a duck.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > That's the kind of bullshit, status-quo prevarication we get in
>> Politix
>> >> all
>> >> > the time, eh? Shame on you for trying it here. It's not unlike
>> >> > kicking
>> >> > someone in the head when they're already down: it's too easy, and
>> >> > it's
>> >> not
>> >> > fair play. Why are you even here, with an attitude like that..?
>> >> >
>> >> > Frankly Bub, this thing is NOT quacking like a duck as far as I can
>> >> > see,
>> >> > based on a few videos and articles. I'm hoping we're actually seeing
>> >> > what
>> >> > many of us hope we are seeing. HOW these things always end up
>> >> > failing
>> >> > in
>> >> > the end, is what *I* want to know. The MFMP guy speaks elsewhere of
>> >> > 'dark
>> >> > forces'... and being the subject of 'dark forces' myself -- I *KNOW*
>> >> > they
>> >> > really DO exist. So AFAIC: there IS likely a conspiracy to derail
>> >> > ALL
>> >> cold
>> >> > fusion research.
>> >> >
>> >> > And I wonder who'd be behind THAT effort...
>> >> >
>> >> > For that matter: who burned down Tesla's lab..? I'll give you three
>> >> > guesses. That's all you'd need.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://e-catworld.com/2017/07/14/mfmp-plan-and-proposal-
>> >> >> regarding-ecco-device/
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 7/20/17, Che  wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Why would anyone think this guy is having the World on, as some
>> sort
>> >> of
>> >> >> > scam..? That sort of thinking is AFAIC simply more ritual abuse
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> Occam's
>> >> >> > poor razor. Considering the HUGE amount of work AND resources
>> people
>> >> >> > put
>> >> >> > into these sorts of things, *you* people really should be
>> >> >> > compelled
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > *give them reasonable benefit of the doubt* -- until 'something
>> >> >> > comes
>> >> >> > up'
>> >> >> > to -- justifiably -- indicate otherwise.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Sheesh. Misanthropists.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi-Gullstrom paper published on July 18 on Arxiv.org

[Che]

Is this yet another Rossi 'black' box..?

Bah, then. Full disclosure. Open-Source Science -- which AFAIC includes
Open-Source engineering, too.
Forget becoming rich and famous. Just do it for Humanity.




On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 6:23 PM, Nick  wrote:

> E-Cat QX Picture Posted in New Rossi-Gullstrom Paper (COP of 2000 reported
> with Calorimetry) | E-Cat World
> 
>
> E-Cat QX Picture Posted in New Rossi-Gullstrom Paper (COP of 2000 reported
> ...
>
> 
>
>
> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.05249.pdf
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi-Gullstrom paper published on July 18 on Arxiv.org

[Axil Axil]

This trillion $$ invention only works if Rossi is there at the controls to
adjust it minute by minute. It is a device that only Rossi can use.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 11:00 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> What's wrong with this picture?
>
> Great inventor presents crappy-looking experiment along with brain-dead
> theory... while at the same time,  he has just completed successful test of
> the most valuable energy device of all time - producing an average megawatt
> of power over a year at a gain of at least 6:1.
>
> Yet this trillion $$ invention sits in a warehouse somewhere, gathering
> dust.
>
> ...uh... What am I missing?
>
>
>  Nick wrote:
>
> E-Cat QX Picture Posted in New Rossi-Gullstrom Paper (COP of 2000 reported
> with Calorimetry) | E-Cat World
> 
>
>
> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.05249.pdf
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project just uploaded a video

[Kevin O'Malley]

What?   You're the one who started with the personal bullshit.
Buying real estate to help out an experimenter's debt situation is
pretty far afield from what MFMP's stated mission is declared.

On 7/20/17, Che  wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
> wrote:
>
>> Occham's Razor applies in scientific politics as well as it applies to
>> other inductive pursuits.  And I'm not the one prevaricating, I'm
>> trying to get PAST the evasion.   Why are you even here with your
>> attitude?
>>
>
>
> 'I know you are -- but what am I??'
>
> I expect such juvenile games from people who start off poisoning the well,
> like you did.
>
> So be it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On 7/20/17, Che  wrote:
>> > On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Kevin O'Malley 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Because if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a
>> >> duck, etc., it's probably a duck.
>> >>
>> >
>> > That's the kind of bullshit, status-quo prevarication we get in Politix
>> all
>> > the time, eh? Shame on you for trying it here. It's not unlike kicking
>> > someone in the head when they're already down: it's too easy, and it's
>> not
>> > fair play. Why are you even here, with an attitude like that..?
>> >
>> > Frankly Bub, this thing is NOT quacking like a duck as far as I can
>> > see,
>> > based on a few videos and articles. I'm hoping we're actually seeing
>> > what
>> > many of us hope we are seeing. HOW these things always end up failing
>> > in
>> > the end, is what *I* want to know. The MFMP guy speaks elsewhere of
>> > 'dark
>> > forces'... and being the subject of 'dark forces' myself -- I *KNOW*
>> > they
>> > really DO exist. So AFAIC: there IS likely a conspiracy to derail ALL
>> cold
>> > fusion research.
>> >
>> > And I wonder who'd be behind THAT effort...
>> >
>> > For that matter: who burned down Tesla's lab..? I'll give you three
>> > guesses. That's all you'd need.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> http://e-catworld.com/2017/07/14/mfmp-plan-and-proposal-
>> >> regarding-ecco-device/
>> >>
>> >> On 7/20/17, Che  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Why would anyone think this guy is having the World on, as some sort
>> of
>> >> > scam..? That sort of thinking is AFAIC simply more ritual abuse of
>> >> Occam's
>> >> > poor razor. Considering the HUGE amount of work AND resources people
>> >> > put
>> >> > into these sorts of things, *you* people really should be compelled
>> >> > to
>> >> > *give them reasonable benefit of the doubt* -- until 'something
>> >> > comes
>> >> > up'
>> >> > to -- justifiably -- indicate otherwise.
>> >> >
>> >> > Sheesh. Misanthropists.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Fwd: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project just uploaded a video

[Che]

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:16 PM, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:

> What?   You're the one who started with the personal bullshit.
> Buying real estate to help out an experimenter's debt situation is
> pretty far afield from what MFMP's stated mission is declared.
>


You *accused* them of scamming. YOU started this, bub.
But I have lots of experience with your type, understand... so don't think
you're going to be able to misdirect anything here.








>
> On 7/20/17, Che  wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Occham's Razor applies in scientific politics as well as it applies to
> >> other inductive pursuits.  And I'm not the one prevaricating, I'm
> >> trying to get PAST the evasion.   Why are you even here with your
> >> attitude?
> >>
> >
> >
> > 'I know you are -- but what am I??'
> >
> > I expect such juvenile games from people who start off poisoning the
> well,
> > like you did.
> >
> > So be it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On 7/20/17, Che  wrote:
> >> > On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Kevin O'Malley 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Because if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a
> >> >> duck, etc., it's probably a duck.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > That's the kind of bullshit, status-quo prevarication we get in
> Politix
> >> all
> >> > the time, eh? Shame on you for trying it here. It's not unlike kicking
> >> > someone in the head when they're already down: it's too easy, and it's
> >> not
> >> > fair play. Why are you even here, with an attitude like that..?
> >> >
> >> > Frankly Bub, this thing is NOT quacking like a duck as far as I can
> >> > see,
> >> > based on a few videos and articles. I'm hoping we're actually seeing
> >> > what
> >> > many of us hope we are seeing. HOW these things always end up failing
> >> > in
> >> > the end, is what *I* want to know. The MFMP guy speaks elsewhere of
> >> > 'dark
> >> > forces'... and being the subject of 'dark forces' myself -- I *KNOW*
> >> > they
> >> > really DO exist. So AFAIC: there IS likely a conspiracy to derail ALL
> >> cold
> >> > fusion research.
> >> >
> >> > And I wonder who'd be behind THAT effort...
> >> >
> >> > For that matter: who burned down Tesla's lab..? I'll give you three
> >> > guesses. That's all you'd need.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> http://e-catworld.com/2017/07/14/mfmp-plan-and-proposal-
> >> >> regarding-ecco-device/
> >> >>
> >> >> On 7/20/17, Che  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Why would anyone think this guy is having the World on, as some
> sort
> >> of
> >> >> > scam..? That sort of thinking is AFAIC simply more ritual abuse of
> >> >> Occam's
> >> >> > poor razor. Considering the HUGE amount of work AND resources
> people
> >> >> > put
> >> >> > into these sorts of things, *you* people really should be compelled
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > *give them reasonable benefit of the doubt* -- until 'something
> >> >> > comes
> >> >> > up'
> >> >> > to -- justifiably -- indicate otherwise.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Sheesh. Misanthropists.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>