Re: [Vo]: E.V. Gray experiment

2007-02-28 Thread Esa Ruoho
http://www.gn0sis.com/component/option,com_joomlaboard/Itemid,33/func,showcat/catid,12/ also seems to have at least some work on EVGray. and why wouldnt norman wootan answer questions regards evgray? On 28/02/07, Esa Ruoho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i recommend hunting down this.. it used to be

Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics

2007-02-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nick Palmer wrote: Paul wrote:- You should read about different types of noise -- http://www.aikenamps.com/ResistorNoise.htm Well, I read this webpage. Maybe you misunderstand. When they say The thermal noise of a resistor is equal to: Vt = SQRT(4kTBR) where: Vt =

Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics

2007-02-28 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Palmer wrote: Paul wrote:- You should read about different types of noise -- http://www.aikenamps.com/ResistorNoise.htm Well, I read this webpage. Maybe you misunderstand. When they say The thermal noise of a resistor is equal to: Vt =

Re: [Vo]: E.V. Gray experiment

2007-02-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The E.V. Gray case is strange indeed, but again my PI work revealed the free energy community is flooded with so-called people I refer to as thugs that have a hidden agenda in the free energy community. Anyhow, Gray demonstrated his motors ran cold. I was trying to find some detailed

Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics

2007-02-28 Thread Michel Jullian
I think you're right on this Paul, however you're unnecessarily rude as usual. Anyway I don't think that rectifying the hot resistor noise with a diode breaks 2LoT. Does a photovoltaic cell (which is a diode too) break 2LoT when converting the thermal energy radiated by a 6000°C black body to

Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics

2007-02-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michel Jullian wrote: I think you're right on this Paul, however you're unnecessarily rude as usual. That's just your interpretation according to a POV of common social behavior. That's a result of being programmed by society. What you refer to as rudeness I refer to as bluntness with very

Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics

2007-02-28 Thread Michel Jullian
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics I think you're right on this Paul, however you're unnecessarily rude as usual. That's just your interpretation according

Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics

2007-02-28 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michel Jullian wrote: I think you're right on this Paul, however you're unnecessarily rude as usual. That's just your interpretation according to a POV of common social behavior. That's a result of being programmed by society. What you refer to as rudeness I

Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics

2007-02-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michel Jullian wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics I think you're right on this Paul, however you're unnecessarily rude as usual. That's just your interpretation

Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics

2007-02-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: [snip] And how much electrical noise energy is the cell converting back into radiation, eh? If everything's at the same temperature you'll most likely find the amount of radiation the cell is generating, as a result of running backwards, is equal to the amount of

Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics

2007-02-28 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: [snip] And how much electrical noise energy is the cell converting back into radiation, eh? If everything's at the same temperature you'll most likely find the amount of radiation the cell is generating, as a result of running

Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics

2007-02-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: You think that unlike other materials in the room, it radiates less than it absorbs under those conditions. I'm saying I'm not so sure. Experiment can't give the answer at this time, of course -- or, rather, any real experiment using real solar cells will support

[Vo]: Public question for Michel Stephen

2007-02-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have a question for both Michel Jullian and Stephen A. Lawrence. Could you please state if you are presently working on so-called Free Energy technology? My definition of Free Energy obviously would not include the initial cost or cost of maintenance. If you are working on such

[Vo]: Re: Public question for Michel Stephen

2007-02-28 Thread Michel Jullian
This sounds very inquisitive, are we excommunicated if we are not? :) My involvement in new energy is non-public, and concerns principally the electrical and chemical aspects of determining a system's energy balance. Michel - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [Vo]: Re: lifter in a accelerating frame

2007-02-28 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
thomas malloy wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: Michel Jullian wrote: Doing calculations in an accelerating frame makes me sick I am afraid ;-) But I guess it would be the same force, since it's not a ficticious one like e.g. the centrifugal force. Hum; ficticious force? Isn't the force that

Re: [Vo]: Re: lifter in a accelerating frame

2007-02-28 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Robin van Spaandonk's message of Thu, 01 Mar 2007 08:10:46 +1100: Hi, [snip] region below it. The difference in air pressure is multiplied by the entire area of the craft (Pi x r^2) to calculate the lifting force. By analogy we are adding wings to an aircraft, and pointing the

Re: [Vo]: Re: lifter in a accelerating frame

2007-02-28 Thread Harry Veeder
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: When you are actually _in_ a rotating frame, such as a car going around a corner, you naturally think about the situation from the POV of that frame, and in that frame, the centrifugal force -- and the Coriolis force -- are both quite real, even though they are

Re: [Vo]: Re: lifter in a accelerating frame

2007-02-28 Thread Michel Jullian
Indeed in an inertial frame the fictitious force vanishes (from the analysis) as a force, but it also magically reappears as mass times acceleration, simply going from the left hand side to the right hand side of F=ma while changing sign, so the equations remain the same mathematically. For

Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics

2007-02-28 Thread Nick Palmer
In response to Paul and Michel and Steven I will only repeat what I wrote. Obviously you did not understand what I said. Read it again without your knee-jerk prejudices. Besides, in order do work by extracting energy from ambient heat with no heat sink, Paul's diodes would need to rectify a

[Vo]: Re: Quantum Thermodynamics

2007-02-28 Thread Jones Beene
Gentlemen! ...to paraphrase Strangelove, you can't fight in here! This is ... well not the war room, but the war-on-oil room.

Re: [Vo]: Re: lifter in a accelerating frame

2007-02-28 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Harry Veeder wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: When you are actually _in_ a rotating frame, such as a car going around a corner, you naturally think about the situation from the POV of that frame, and in that frame, the centrifugal force -- and the Coriolis force -- are both quite real, even

Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics

2007-02-28 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Nick Palmer wrote: In response to Paul and Michel and Steven I will only repeat what I wrote. Obviously you did not understand what I said. Read it again without your knee-jerk prejudices. If you're including me in the knee-jerk crowd who didn't understand what you wrote, I take issue with

Re: [Vo]: Tubular Lifter (again)

2007-02-28 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:29:58 -0500: Hi Harry, [snip] Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:11:03 -0500: Hi, [snip] Michel Jullian wrote: The tube doesn't oscillate because the process Robin described is

Re: [Vo]: Hydrogen Outta Nowhere?

2007-02-28 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Zell, Chris's message of Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:59:23 -0600: Hi, [snip] I realize that completely eliminating all contamination is difficult but if protons can be popped out of the vacuum by an arc discharge, then I think we need to take another look at the Steady State theory of the

Re: [Vo]: Re: lifter in a accelerating frame

2007-02-28 Thread Harry Veeder
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: When you are actually _in_ a rotating frame, such as a car going around a corner, you naturally think about the situation from the POV of that frame, and in that frame, the centrifugal force -- and the Coriolis

Re: [Vo]: Re: lifter in a accelerating frame

2007-02-28 Thread Harry Veeder
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: When you are actually _in_ a rotating frame, such as a car going around a corner, you naturally think about the situation from the POV of that frame, and in that frame, the centrifugal force -- and the Coriolis

Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics

2007-02-28 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:49:54 -0500: Hi, [snip] In any case there's also thermal noise in the diode, as I believe I also pointed out (though I didn't phrase it that way), and that is surely where you should be hunting for the flaw in the design. [snip]

Re: [Vo]: Tubular Lifter (again)

2007-02-28 Thread Harry Veeder
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:29:58 -0500: Hi Harry, [snip] Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:11:03 -0500: Hi, [snip] Michel Jullian wrote: The tube doesn't oscillate because

[Vo]: water engine

2007-02-28 Thread thomas malloy
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