Ok, agree to let them build a coal plant or a battery plant in your backyard
then. Plug-ins and hybrids just transpose the pollution problem away from
where actual consumption is taking place. Environmentally I would much
rather have the ICE pollution over the coal / heavy metals pollution.
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:36:57 +0200, Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
About the low current phenomenon, it occurs to me that a sufficiently
low current ion stream, where the ions would form a clearly discrete
dotted line rather than a continuous-looking stream, would not expand
On Jun 22, 2007, at 3:57 PM, Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:02:14
-0800:
Hi,
[snip]
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19225771.800
At that strength, says Overduin, we would expect to see
gravitomagnetic effects
throughout the
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:36:57 +0200, Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Applications of EHD to aircraft aerodynamics has been a subject of
intense research recently, lookup e.g. OAUGDP.
Why _piezo_ ceramic tiles BTW?
Suppose that polyethelene-covered conductors at AC high frequency
Ceramic rather than plastic makes sense for this kind of discharge indeed
(dielectric barrier discharge, the kind used in ozonizers), but my question
was, why piezoelectric? I thought maybe you were thinking about converting
vibrations into electricity, or electricity into vibrations, but maybe
Dear Mr Winestone,
I do wish people like you would not keep stirring
up the mud with the ridiculous beliefs that are implied in your phrase When
the rational minds at Vortex start to buy into the mythology/religion of
man-made global warming, we're in deep trouble.
Nick Palmer wrote..
Your whole position, and that of people like you, seems to be based upon the
irrational belief that people cannot affect the planets systems for good or
ill. Bring on whatever you have got - I will try to demolish it.
Howdy Nick,
Anyone with eyes can see a huge black dead
John Steck wrote:
Ok, agree to let them build a coal plant or a battery plant in your backyard
then. Plug-ins and hybrids just transpose the pollution problem away from
where actual consumption is taking place.
That is incorrect for two reasons that we have often discussed here, and that
you
The day after the levees were breached in New Orleans as a result of the
hurricane Katrina, we contacted FEMA-Dallas.
They were going to repair the pumps and pump polluted stormwater back into the
Gulf. We happened to have an order ready for a huge CSO basin ( Combined Sewage
Overflow) project
So let me see if I've gotcha.
Greenies, alternate energy and hippies are evil.
And oil companies are good and only speak the truth without any hint of
anything self serving.
I bet you'd have believed the tobacco lobby too.
On 6/24/07, PHILIP WINESTONE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When the
Let me just repeat what I said to Nick Palmer. Don't make the unjustified
assumption that I believe anyone, including myself. And don't put words in
my mouth, that don't belong there. Assumptions and judgments such as I
indicate, are more a reflection of your mind than mine.
P.
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Hi Richard,
You wrote What was the response for these non profit advocacy groups that
devote so much time to foaming at the mouth over pollution and global
warming... SILENCE!!! Why? Because they are political organizations
masquerading as environmentalists. and plus a number
Hi Richard,
How inconvenient that people like you and I won't just lie down and allow
ourselves to be thoroughly programmed.
CO2 credits? Reminds me of a little piece of philosophy that one of my
fellow Glaswegian lay philosophers said: Man has an infinite capacity for
stupidity.
(I
PHILIP WINESTONE wrote:
When the rational minds at Vortex start to buy into the mythology/religion of
man-made global warming, we're in deep trouble...
There was an interesting article today in The National Post (Canada), written
by a physicist, in which, among other things, he asked the
One probably calculates mean global temperature based on other measurements.
I expect that climate science is advanced enough to know what measurements
are necessary and how to calculate the global temperature from those
measurements.
If they are wrong, then there is either something
Hi Bill,
I think you have misunderstood what I suggested, which was not a linear chain
of charged droplets, but one of mere air ions (ultra low current point to plane
corona discharge), only too far apart (due to the low current) to provoke any
significant widening of the beam by sideways
On Jun 23, 2007, at 10:30 PM, William Beaty wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:36:57 +0200, Michel Jullian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
About the low current phenomenon, it occurs to me that a
sufficiently
low current ion stream, where the ions would form a clearly discrete
dotted line rather
Good points. When you consider it, measuring accurate global temperature is
a far more difficult situation than most people know. Heavens, even measuring
the mean temperature of a room over a period of 24 hours is no mean feat; where
do the sensors go? Near the window? Opposite the window?
I wrote:
That is the story of cold fusion in a nutshell: experts worked for
years, published peer-reviewed paper with high sigma, replicated
data, but the research was drowned out by a chorus of nitwit
scientists and self-appointed experts in the Washington Post and Time magazine.
In other
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PHILIP WINESTONE wrote:
Good points. When you consider it, measuring accurate global
temperature is a far more difficult situation than most people know.
No doubt this is true, but most people are not the ones who are
trying to measure it. Measuring the temperature in a calorimeter is a
I just noticed the thread name changed.
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Nice (I am really impressed by the ASCII art) but R2 is superfluous Horace.
Current is the same at all points of the circuit, so R1 (or R1 and R3) is
sufficient to measure the discharge current, whatever the nature (filament,
drops, ions...) of the discharge. Agreed?
Michel
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On Jun 24, 2007, at 1:58 PM, Michel Jullian wrote:
Nice (I am really impressed by the ASCII art) but R2 is superfluous
Horace. Current is the same at all points of the circuit, so R1 (or
R1 and R3) is sufficient to measure the discharge current, whatever
the nature (filament, drops,
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On Jun 24, 2007, at 1:58 PM, Michel Jullian wrote:
Nice (I am really impressed by the ASCII art)
Gee, you're easily impressed. 8^)
but R2 is superfluous Horace. Current is the same at all points of
the circuit, so R1 (or R1 and R3) is sufficient to measure the
discharge current,
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2007, Horace Heffner wrote:
How quickly memory fades:
When I used a soda straw and blew upon a thread with all my might,
the dot in the mist only moved a little... Not at all like smoke,
they are more like carbon-fiber spiderwebs under high linear
tension...
And now I
I had some trouble coming to terms with this observation myself when I first
experimented with corona discharges, but emitter current is equal to plate
current at all times, not just on average, even though the ions take ages
(milliseconds) to cross the gap. Try it if you don't believe me.
A
Philip Winestone replied to me privately and, amid his assertions of his own
objectivity, he wrote
First, I don't harbour beliefs or buy anything wholesale. This is your
arrogance speaking; you are the only person on earth who thinks straight; the
rest of the peasants harbour black belief
I last posted on the global warming subject several months ago with a
question that was not adequately answered by the global warming believers.
So, here it is again.
Why were the climate experts of the late seventies warning us of a coming
ice age while we were in the early stages of global
Jeff Fink wrote:
I last posted on the global warming subject several months ago with a
question that was not adequately answered by the global warming believers.
So, here it is again.
Why were the climate experts of the late seventies warning us of a coming
ice age while we were in the early
On Jun 24, 2007, at 3:50 PM, Michel Jullian wrote:
I had some trouble coming to terms with this observation myself
when I first experimented with corona discharges, but emitter
current is equal to plate current at all times, not just on
average, even though the ions take ages
Nick Psalmer wrote..
I have to point out that these groups you mention must be American and are
therefore unlikely to be part of the internationally recognised and credible
environmental groups such as Friends of the Earth International (at least 50
countries) and Greenpeace International.
We
On Jun 24, 2007, at 3:49 PM, William Beaty wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jun 2007, Horace Heffner wrote:
How quickly memory fades:
When I used a soda straw and blew upon a thread with all my might,
the dot in the mist only moved a little... Not at all like smoke,
they are more like carbon-fiber
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Sun, 24 Jun 2007 10:40:55 -0400
(GMT-04:00):
Hi,
[snip]
Ok, agree to let them build a coal plant or a battery plant in your backyard
then. Plug-ins and hybrids just transpose the pollution problem away from
where actual consumption is taking place.
That is
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