Re: [Vo]:EETIMES publishes report

2011-01-25 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jan 24, 2011, at 10:25 PM, Mark Iverson wrote: Horace: I hope I didn't delete it... In order to not confuse people, if I'm really only responding to a sentence or two out of a lengthy posting, I will delete much of the extraneous material.. and I will try to remember to include 'snip'

Re: [Vo]: Where have all the neutrons gone...

2011-01-25 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Mark Now sing along with me... from that ol' folk song... Where have all the neutrons gone... I did start singing. ;-) ' ...perhaps into heavy fermions?  ;-) This from the comment section of the Knol page on CF... Consider heavy fermion superconductors The August 2009 issue of

Re: [Vo]:Your suspicion is not proof there is a problem

2011-01-25 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: ... and the others must protect their phoney baloney jobs ... On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote: The scientists who agreed to participate in the public demo, most certainly

[Vo]:Rossi's personal web site

2011-01-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://ingandrearossi.com/

RE: [Vo]: Where have all the neutrons gone...

2011-01-25 Thread Jones Beene
From: Mark Iverson This from the comment section of the Knol page on CF... Consider heavy fermion superconductors The August 2009 issue of Scientific American, pg 66 at left margin, describes a 1979 discovery: Heavy-fermion superconductors such as uranium platinum (UPt3) are remarkable by

Re: [Vo]:Your suspicion is not proof there is a problem

2011-01-25 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 9:19 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Harumph! Don't worry Terry. I think many got it. Whew, thank Ford! Otherwise it sounds like the rantings of a lunatic. T

[Vo]:Levi/Bianchini Report Not Available?

2011-01-25 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/files/Levi%20and%20Bianchini%20Reports.pdf returns a 403 Forbidden code. It's still available on Jed's site. I wonder if they pulled it intentionally? T

[Vo]:Superconductivity and LENR

2011-01-25 Thread Jones Beene
Let me organize the previous chain of thought … First one detail – gold is an excellent spillover catalyst, plus it is also specifically mentioned in the old patent. It is seldom used as a catalyst due to cost but that is not relevant at this point, since spillover catalysts work best in

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's personal web site

2011-01-25 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: See: http://ingandrearossi.com/ From the page Google translates as Rebirth: , While maintaining professional relations with the United States, and started working with LTI (Leonardo Technology Incorporated), a

Re: [Vo]: Where have all the neutrons gone...

2011-01-25 Thread Harry Veeder
Anyone for Anyons? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anyon Harry

RE: [Vo]: Where have all the neutrons gone...

2011-01-25 Thread Jones Beene
This can be read in conjunction with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2DEG and the Lawandy paper, to understand that hydrogen spillover is probably in the class of 2D reactions, at the outset. There could easily be a strong topological basis for robust LENR. Interfacial layers, boundary

[Vo]:Levi Report Rossi accessed via Infinite Energy to Nuclear Journal

2011-01-25 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex, I have accessed the Levi report by using the series of links at http://www.infinite-energy.com there is a download at January 15th link at the Nucleur Journal. Here is a cut ad pasted that worked today:

Re: [Vo]:Superconductivity and LENR

2011-01-25 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jan 25, 2011, at 7:11 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Let me organize the previous chain of thought … First one detail – gold is an excellent spillover catalyst, plus it is also specifically mentioned in the old patent. It is seldom used as a catalyst due to cost but that is not relevant at

[Vo]:Times of India reports on ICCF16 and Rossi

2011-01-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/Cold-fusion-turns-hot-city-to-host-meet-/articleshow/7357005.cms

Re: [Vo]:Levi Report Rossi accessed via Infinite Energy to Nuclear Journal

2011-01-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Ron Kita wrote: I have accessed the Levi report by using the series of links at http://www.infinite-energy.com there is a download at January 15th link at the Nucleur Journal. A copy is here: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LeviGreportonhe.pdf The English in this version is improved by me. -

Re: [Vo]:Times of India reports on ICCF16 and Rossi

2011-01-25 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Jed: See: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/Cold-fusion-turns-hot-city-to-host-meet-/articleshow/7357005.cms Excerpt: According to Dr M Srinivasan, chairman of the organizing committee, the conference will deal with the recent breakthrough in cold fusion theory

Re: [Vo]:Times of India reports on ICCF16 and Rossi

2011-01-25 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:58 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: 20 KW? Oh, what the hey. What's +/- 10 KW - just between you-n-me. KiloWatts are smaller in India. ;-) T

Re: [Vo]:Levi/Bianchini Report Not Available?

2011-01-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/files/Levi%20and%20Bianchini%20Reports.pdf returns a 403 Forbidden code. Momentary glitch, probably. It seems to be back now: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/files/Levi%20and%20Bianchini%20Reports.pdf If it does not

Re: [Vo]:Levi/Bianchini Report Not Available?

2011-01-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
I'll bet their server was overwhelmed. that happens occasionally at LENR-CANR.org. It happens when people use a program such as Web Reaper and they open ~20 channels (meaning they try to download 20 papers in the time over high-speed connection). We are still getting a lot of traffic at

RE: [Vo]:Superconductivity and LENR

2011-01-25 Thread Jones Beene
From: Horace Heffner * Also of possible interest is that my rough computation for the deflated state up quark: * http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/FusionUpQuark.pdf * shows that the deflated state electrons have a gamma of 36,000, and mass of 3.3 x10^-26 kg, more than the rest

Re: [Vo]:Times of India reports on ICCF16 and Rossi

2011-01-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
As noted, the gadget is reported as 20 kW in the Times of India. I think Rossi said it is, and my guess is that it can put out 20 kW. It wasn't running at full performance, and the calorimetry is probably missing a lot of the heat, even though they wrapped insulation around the machine. In

Re: [Vo]:Burst of downloads at LENR-CANR.org

2011-01-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Final tally of downloads for yesterday: 01/14/2011 597 01/15/2011 447 01/16/2011 732 01/17/2011 1,162 01/18/2011 1,325 01/19/2011 1,449 01/20/2011 1,952 01/21/2011 1,510 01/22/2011 1,467 01/23/2011 1,696 01/24/2011 4,525 Today so far: 2,046 as of 14:56 EST - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Your suspicion is not proof there is a problem

2011-01-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: I don't mean to be too harsh. Jed, don't misunderstand. My comments were directed at the same people you directed comments. I didn't mean you any-who. Dr. Levi has too much to lose to participate in a hoax. He stands to profit nothing from a hoax. I agree. If

RE: [Vo]:Times of India reports on ICCF16 and Rossi

2011-01-25 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell In his blog, Rossi told me that the 1 MW reactor will be 1 MW thermal output. I do not know if it will be for process steam or electricity. My guess is steam, because it would cost a whole lot more to make an electric generator and you need high

Re: [Vo]:Superconductivity and LENR

2011-01-25 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Prediction – if helium is found it will be mostly 3He. Heck, if that turns out to be true, then the value of the byproduct could pay for everything. Wait a minute. You're saying that if we find 3He as a byproduct of cold

Re: [Vo]:Levi/Bianchini Report Not Available?

2011-01-25 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I'll bet their server was overwhelmed. That's probably it. I'm getting code 403 consistently. I tried clearing my cache just to be sure. T

Re: [Vo]:Times of India reports on ICCF16 and Rossi

2011-01-25 Thread noone noone
The 1 MW reactor is composed of 125 10KW units From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 2:52:57 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Times of India reports on ICCF16 and Rossi As noted, the gadget is reported as 20 kW in the

Re: [Vo]:Superconductivity and LENR

2011-01-25 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/25/2011 02:48 PM, Jones Beene wrote: *From:* Horace Heffner Ø Also of possible interest is that my rough computation for the deflated state up quark: Ø http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/FusionUpQuark.pdf http://www.mtaonline.net/%7Ehheffner/FusionUpQuark.pdf Ø

Re: [Vo]: Thinking out of the box... Was: Radiation issues with Ni+p-Cu-Ni

2011-01-25 Thread mixent
In reply to Mark Iverson's message of Mon, 24 Jan 2011 20:48:33 -0800: Hi, [snip] Thanks for the lead, Robin... Have you got a link to it? I probably already downloaded it... Just haven't been able to read it yet! -Mark You might find a lead here:- http://www.padrak.com/ine/BASS.html#BASS_1

Re: [Vo]:Times of India reports on ICCF16 and Rossi

2011-01-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: There is little doubt that Rossi is being pushed up to the MW range by the Greek investors - who probably want it for ocean shipping. That may be overly ambitious at the start. I do not know about being pushed. It seems he is enthusiastic about doing

Re: [Vo]:Your suspicion is not proof there is a problem

2011-01-25 Thread P.J van Noorden
Jed In 1990 I have been working with a self deviced electromagnet which was powered by 25 ( and later 50) batteries of 12 V in parallel with a total current of 1000 A continously to generate a very electric strong magnetic field to detect possible neutron emission from an electrolytic

RE: [Vo]: Where have all the neutrons gone...

2011-01-25 Thread Mark Iverson
Robin: I was quoting from the comment section of the Knol page on CF... -Mark -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 1:00 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]: Where have all the neutrons gone... In reply to

RE: [Vo]:Superconductivity and LENR

2011-01-25 Thread Jones Beene
Awkshully, a prime future use for 3-He could be as a conduit for ZPE, somewhat in the way of Horace's paper, although it is not impossible that an improved version of hot fusion will also compete with Ni-H. 3-He is also a simple composite molecular boson. Imagine ICF using the Miley system with

Re: [Vo]:Superconductivity and LENR

2011-01-25 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jan 25, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Jones Beene wrote: From: Horace Heffner Ø Also of possible interest is that my rough computation for the deflated state up quark: Ø http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/FusionUpQuark.pdf Ø shows that the deflated state electrons have a gamma of 36,000,

RE: [Vo]:Superconductivity and LENR

2011-01-25 Thread Jones Beene
Oops. 3-He is also a simple composite molecular boson. Not true. There is not an integer spin.

Re: [Vo]:Times of India reports on ICCF16 and Rossi

2011-01-25 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Jed sez: ... See? This is an example of wild guessing and unfounded speculation. This is what I was complaining about before, in the thread, Your suspicion is not proof there is a problem. BUT, it would only be a problem if I were to make this back-of-the-envelope calculation, then jump to

Re: [Vo]:Your suspicion is not proof there is a problem

2011-01-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
P.J van Noorden pjvan...@xs4all.nl wrote: . . . so the temperature rose to the boilingpoint. The steam escaped very violently from the exit of the coil. The sound was as if explosions took place. Therefore you can understand that I am somewhat critical about the relative quiet experiment I

[Vo]:Mean gas speed in specific direction

2011-01-25 Thread David Jonsson
Hi We know that mean root square speed in specific perpendicular directions is like this Vrms^2 = 3 Vrmx_x^2 = 3 Vrmx_y^2 = 3 Vrmx_z^2 What is the relation for the mean linear speed Vavg in specific directions? Could it be like this, that the components can be vector summarized to get the

RE: [Vo]:EETIMES publishes report

2011-01-25 Thread William Beaty
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011, Mark Iverson wrote: and he has also related to me that on more than one occasion, the 'firing' of the Z-pinch machine has resulted in anomalous energy that could not be explained, and instruments all seemed to be working properly... don't think they ever tracked it down

Re: [Vo]:Your suspicion is not proof there is a problem

2011-01-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
I mentioned this fellow who thinks that McKubre does not know how to measure direct current electricity. This is in an exchange with long-suffering Ed Storms, here: http://knol.google.com/k/jed-rothwell/cold-fusion/2zjj2hvn3qzi5/2#comment-2zjj2hvn3qzi5.wwzfkv I added a few messages. I should

Re: [Vo]:Your suspicion is not proof there is a problem

2011-01-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
You have to expand the 9 comments below this comment to see what I mean: http://knol.google.com/k/jed-rothwell/cold-fusion/2zjj2hvn3qzi5/2#comment-2zjj2hvn3qzi5.wwzfkv - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Mean gas speed in specific direction

2011-01-25 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 01/25/2011 06:43 PM, David Jonsson wrote: Hi We know that mean root square speed in specific perpendicular directions is like this Vrms^2 = 3 Vrmx_x^2 = 3 Vrmx_y^2 = 3 Vrmx_z^2 What is the relation for the mean linear speed Vavg in specific directions? Could it be like this, that

Re: [Vo]:Your suspicion is not proof there is a problem

2011-01-25 Thread Harry Veeder
Jed, that person writes, With regard to my own current area of research, what's interesting to me about the cold fusion story is the comparison of the beliefs and practices of the two camps (believers vs. skeptics) and their associated affective emotional states. It seems to be suspicion

Re: [Vo]:Your suspicion is not proof there is a problem

2011-01-25 Thread Harry Veeder
I meant to sayIt seems to me suspicion as proof stems from a beliefthat the experiment is flawed or the interpretation of the experiment is just wrong so these kinds of skeptics are as much believers as the cold fusion believers. Harry From: Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com To: