On Nov 28, 2011, at 10:34 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
There are two forces at work in the nucleus. The strong and the
electromagnetic. In ordinary hot fusion only the static
electrostatic repulsion and the static strong nuclear attraction
are considered.
There are other induced
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Fair enough Mary Yugo.
But surely someone else in this forum is willing to bet $200 that will go
to charity, on the E-Cat not working.
Anyone??
Or has the E-Cat already been accepted by the wide majority already? :)
Regards,
Patrick
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Mary Yugo
My bet is:
at 30 nov 2013 at least 5 companies other than Rossi's will manufacture
commercial energy
generators based on Transition Metals-H LENR.
Peter
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.comwrote:
Fair enough Mary Yugo.
But surely someone else in this forum
Just to conclude my question,
from various sources it seems that the pessimistic version of the
consumption of e-cat is the good one,
http://faq.ecat.com/112449/how-much-nickel-and-hydrogen-will-it-take-to-generate-one-megawatt-of-heat-continuously-for-six-months/
10kg Ni+16kgH for 1MW*6month
Hello group,
Have a read at this article posted today on NyTeknik. It's about the
backstage of tomorrow's Defkalion Announcement:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3353181.ece
A short excerpt:
“Let’s say I have the formula of Rossi, but I’m not saying it officially.
So, it is likely that Piantelli is involved in this, after all:
*Piantelli* is working with the *University of Siena* on his Ni-H cell
http://ecatnews.com/?p=581
2011/11/29 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
Hello group,
Have a read at this article posted today on NyTeknik. It's
If this is true they are gangsters and Rossi has my full support.
And also at University of Siena they have gangsters, if this is true.
This doesnt shed a good light on their previous work for Piantelli.
Possibly they are all gangsters, and this all is a horrible soap opera.
Could be, nothing is
Others have openly admitted in trying to get a spectrum. And joked about
it how Rossi got angry at them for trying it on. Like it had no value.
Almost suggesting Rossi had no right to withhold it from science. If
true I do hope he sues the University and all involved for everything
they have.
The moment you fill the patent, you get the rights to the vindicated
novelties, you don't need to wait until it is granted. Of course, if you
are denied the patent or the inventive points, you lose the rights
accordingly.
So, if everything proven and the patent is well written, Rossi does not
On 2011-11-29 12:14, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Hello group,
For what it's worth, Daniele Passerini on a recent comment in his Blog
[1] is saying that when Roy Virgilio denied any relationship between
Piantelli and DGT, he answered him privately that according to his
sources both do have an
On 2011-11-29 13:01, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
If this is true they are gangsters and Rossi has my full support.
And also at University of Siena they have gangsters, if this is true.
I guess if this turns out to be true, Rossi was not wrong about snakes
and competitors lurking everywhere,
If it is true, then it is a case of scientific fraud and industrial spionage.
If its untrue and they all collaborate behind the scenes, then ist is a
gigantic staged investment fraud.
In both cases it is a case for Interpol.
For now I think they are all gangsters working together behind the
So, if that is confirmed, we can put Piantelli also as a scammer, from the
point of view of the hardest skeptics.
2011/11/29 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
On 2011-11-29 12:14, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Hello group,
For what it's worth, Daniele Passerini on a recent comment in his
Are you saying you support IP theft? This is not Vulcan where the needs
of the many outweigh the needs of the few:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa6c3OTr6yA
This is business and this is, if proven, theft. If I was Rossi, I would
be talking to the police and asking for charges to be filled
I have no problems with the test the 2 Swedish physicists, Levi. Focardi
and a hand full of other academics did.
AG
On 11/29/2011 11:12 PM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
If it is true, then it is a case of scientific fraud and industrial spionage.
If its untrue and they all collaborate
Only in this case. This invention, if true, is too precious to be kept
private.
2011/11/29 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
Are you saying you support IP theft? This is not Vulcan where the needs
of the many outweigh the needs of the few: http://www.youtube.com/watch?*
*v=Xa6c3OTr6yA
More like just another snake who needed the spectrum to work out Rossi's
key IP. If proven, all involved are just common thieves.
AG
On 11/29/2011 11:12 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
So, if that is confirmed, we can put Piantelli also as a scammer, from
the point of view of the hardest skeptics.
Technically, Rossi still has to prove the I part of the IP, besides, he
must show that it is not based on prior art from Piantelli.
2011/11/29 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
More like just another snake who needed the spectrum to work out Rossi's
key IP. If proven, all involved are
I have no problems with that was done.
I have problems with additional tests that where not done.
Kullander Essen's trip was payed by Rossi and they where friendly treated by
the italian scientists.
So they dont believe or say there was fraud and this is understandable.
But they do admit, they
If proven it is planned IP theft. Clear and simple. Those involved
should go to jail and the University, if involved, should be forced to
pay a very large amount of money. The courts do not consider the Needs
of the Many justify theft of the IP of the one. And neither should you.
Theft is
We don't know how much of Piantelli's patents Rossi used anyway. Send both
to jail? :)
2011/11/29 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
If proven it is planned IP theft. Clear and simple. Those involved should
go to jail and the University, if involved, should be forced to pay a very
They acted like scientists do. We are not certain. We need to do more
tests, which you can pay us for. Oh and by the way we need to do those
tests in private so we can get the radiation spectrum and figure out
that you have inside. I'm like Rossi, an engineer and I don't give a
C**P what is
It won't use nearly that much hydrogen as a reactant - if it really is
using that much hydrogen then most of it will be lost through leakage,
or possibly to remove unwanted gaseous contaminants and products.
On 29 November 2011 10:17, Alain dit le Cycliste alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
Just to
BTW, Krivit really supports Piantelli. So, what now? Is he also supporting
Rossi indirectly??? LOL!
2011/11/29 peter.heck...@arcor.de
If it is true, then it is a case of scientific fraud and industrial
spionage.
If its untrue and they all collaborate behind the scenes, then ist is a
If Rossi used some Piantelli IP then Rossi will need to pay Piantelli a
royalty. However that does not excuse outright IP theft, especially when
the theft was arranged in advance.
AG
On 11/29/2011 11:41 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
We don't know how much of Piantelli's patents Rossi used anyway.
maybe is it still legal to build a similar reactor, with a pattented, or in
process of patent, technology,
but you have to obtain the allowance of the inventor/owner... and not steal
it.
normally rossi before applying for patent, should have put a document in a
third-party file, that proove that
That people conspired together to steal the IP / trade secrets says it
is not prior knowledge.
AG
On 11/29/2011 11:33 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Technically, Rossi still has to prove the I part of the IP, besides,
he must show that it is not based on prior art from Piantelli.
2011/11/29
- Original Nachricht
Von: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 29.11.2011 14:11
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion: ?We have Rossi?s formula?
We don't know how much of Piantelli's patents Rossi used anyway. Send both
to jail? :)
As long as he
Rossi has said his IP / trade secrets are in Escrow and if anything
should happen to him they will be released, I guess to him estate. So he
has dated and recorded his priority.
AG
On 11/29/2011 11:50 PM, Alain dit le Cycliste wrote:
maybe is it still legal to build a similar reactor, with a
I suspect there was bad blood there for some time and Rossi used Krivit.
Have you listened to the way Krivit asked questions? HE showed no
respect at all and basically / indirectly accused most who he
interviewed of lying. I know and have many good Italian friends. They
would not stand to be
I am rather sure there is no radiation to measure and so there is no spectrum
to measure and there is nothing to steal.
They play a collaborative soap opera behind the scenes, where they all win
investors.
Everybody who has money invested in Piantelli, Defkalion or Rossi's business
should go
One problem with this statement by Rossi that 18 kg hydrogen and 10
kg nickel is required for a 180 day charge for 1 MW, is that it is
inconsistent with the gammas observed (i.e. not observed.) See:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg53616.html
The non-transmuted Ni could
One problem with this statement by Rossi that 18 kg hydrogen and 10
kg nickel is required for a 180 day charge for 1 MW, is that it is
inconsistent with the gammas observed (i.e. not observed.) See:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg53616.html
The non-transmuted Ni could
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 20:35 -0800, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote:
Wouldn't that be a hoot if it was good ol Dr. Mills.
I hear BLP had to cut back on space heating to save money, and their
technology is a little behind schedule, and over budget!
:-)
-Mark
What is their technology? Are
what is more sensible for me is that in the article they pretend that
the e-cat cannot be stable for more of 24hour because of the design that
create hot-sport in the middle(explanation is credible)...
the second most sensible point is that they pretend to have solved the
problem,
meaning that it
On one test occasion Rossi had provided 2 holes through the 2 cm thick
lead shielding. The scientists present at that test tried to switch the
radiation detector from count mode to spectrum mode, despite Rossi
telling them they were not allowed to record a spectrum. Rossi saw what
they were
It is still theft. No way to spin it any other way.
AG
On 11/30/2011 12:29 AM, Alain dit le Cycliste wrote:
it looks like what I say about patent race... hard to keep an IP from
creative competitors...
As I read it, this is not fusion, as it was understood to happen. So not
much use looking for the products expected from conventional fusion. May
have seem transmutations but no gammas. So why stress out over missing
gammas? The old understand is not happening here. I'm just an engineer
but
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Only in this case. This invention, if true, is too precious to be kept
private.
Wasn't that the defense used by Julius and Ethel Rosenberg?
T
On Nov 29, 2011, at 5:18 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
As I read it, this is not fusion, as it was understood to happen.
So not much use looking for the products expected from conventional
fusion. May have seem transmutations but no gammas. So why stress
out over missing gammas? The old
That's the problem with IP protection through security, leaks are not
necessarily theft in a legal sense (the only one that matters
commercially). Even if there may be individuals who have signed
non-disclosure agreements etc and then leaked info, it is only them
and the organisations they work
A copy of the slides in Acrobat format and a convenient list of the YouTube
links are here:
http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm
- Jed
Here's an extremely interesting item from the linked Nyteknik article:
According to Xanthoulis, *Rossi could not run the reaction more than
24 hours*, and when Defkalion required a 48 hour test it supposedly
led to a conflict with Rossi.
Exactly how do we square this with Rossi's claim that
Many of us have given Steven the same sound advice but you can't make him
drink.
On 2011-11-29 16:43, Jed Rothwell wrote:
A copy of the slides in Acrobat format and a convenient list of the
YouTube links are here:
http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm
Thanks for the slides, I was wondering if they were available somewhere.
Cheers,
S.A.
On 2011-11-29 16:46, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Exactly how do we square this with Rossi's claim that he ran a reactor
for *two years*, heating a factory?
Perhaps they meant that in self-sustaining mode?
Just guessing.
Cheers,
S.A.
Or perhaps in very low power. Like, for example, an input of 10W, output of
150W.
2011/11/29 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
On 2011-11-29 16:46, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Exactly how do we square this with Rossi's claim that he ran a reactor
for *two years*, heating a factory?
Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Exactly how do we square this with Rossi's claim that he ran a reactor
for *two years*, heating a factory?
Perhaps they meant that in self-sustaining mode?
I believe that's what it means. Obviously they know a reactor ran for 18
hours in one test. I think they are
On 11-11-29 10:55 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Or perhaps in very low power. Like, for example, an input of 10W,
output of 150W.
That doesn't seem to me to make a lot of sense for a space heater
adequate to heat an entire factory. But I suppose you can assume that,
if you like, and justify
On 11-11-29 11:03 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Exactly how do we square this with Rossi's claim that he ran a reactor
for *two years*, heating a factory?
Perhaps they meant that in self-sustaining mode?
I believe that's what it means. Obviously they know a reactor ran
Did he ever say entire factory or just heat a factory? :) Or was only his
room? Seeing his old tests to McKubre, it should be something below 400W,
if that was the state of the art back then.
2011/11/29 Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com
**
On 11-11-29 10:55 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Or
/snip/
Did he ever say entire factory or just heat a factory? :) Or was only his
room? Seeing his old tests to McKubre, it should be something below 400W, if
that was the state of the art back then.
/snip/
In his patent application, he states:
[0060] A practical embodiment of the inventive
All this discussion based on an August phone call to someone at Ny Teknik
back in August is just unwarranted drama, I predict Xanthoulis will deny
this version of the story and leave it to Rossi to make a case if there is
one. If DK did get a hint from Sienna then they have had plenty of time to
He didn't say how much that was heated! But it's weird that he mentions
that. It's like he is inviting the patent analyzers to test his device, LOL!
2011/11/29 Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com
/snip/
Did he ever say entire factory or just heat a factory? :) Or was only
his room?
If you're easily offended, just skip it.
http://www.moletrap.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Rossicaptions
I think the only device that did not somehow impress the people who
attended demonstrations, according to these, was the one shown to Krivit.
2011/11/29 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
2011/11/29 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
He didn't say how much that was heated! But it's weird that he
Hahahahahausauiahsiudhadhfahdahiaasihafaofihasi!!11! KK! :D VERY
FUNNY!
Actually creative. The annoying thing is being repetitive, not just
disagreeing.
2011/11/29 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
If you're easily offended, just skip it.
Key statement by DGT in the Ny Teknik article is the following:
It's very simple but they didn't think about it. (...) We solved the
problem. Because the problem is that he cannot spread the reaction all over
the pipe, and all the heating is concentrated in the middle, Xanthoulis
told Ny Teknik.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
** **
If it’s all a hoax, gotta ask yourself, why would Rossi go to all the
trouble of completely changing the reactor? If the thing is NOT producing
any excess power, and if the Ni powder is NOT melting,
Am 29.11.2011 18:15, schrieb Mary Yugo:
If you're easily offended, just skip it.
http://www.moletrap.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Rossicaptions
Here's another one to load up:
attachment: ColdFusion2.jpeg
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, you see, the problem is that there are many possible errors in their
determinations and they did not do what was need to rule them out.
No, there are not. This is your
I don't know about everyone else but I am on pins and needles awaiting the
Defkalion press-release.
A year ago, with Rossi's first public demo, I thought the world is changed
and so many of our global problems can be solved. With essentially
unlimited free energy, pollution, global warming, food
I have showed that the energy level of the hydrogen atom, cold fusion, and the
photon occur across paths of matching impedance. I was a bit baffled by the
higher Z elements and the fine structure of the atom. I believe I have solved
this part now.
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
If it’s all a hoax, gotta ask yourself, why would Rossi go to all the
trouble of completely changing the reactor? If the thing is NOT producing
any excess power, and if the Ni powder is NOT melting, WHY go
Albert Ellul
November 29th, 2011 at 4:29 AM
Dear Andrea,
May I make one suggestion: Would it be possible to include a counter on
you website showing the number of people that have confirmed the
pre-order for the 10KW heater? Just thinking.
Andrea Rossi
November 29th, 2011 at 9:29 AM
FWIW I would recommend if at all possible trying to find a place of
neutrality on the Rossi/Defkalion matter.
In my view, there is too much rampant anticipation going on - and
that's not a good thing. Inevitably, unbridled anticipation tends to
generate profound disappointment when the
2011/11/29 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com:
I think the only device that did not somehow impress the people who attended
demonstrations, according to these, was the one shown to Krivit.
Maybe it was Rossi who set up Krivit knowing that he supported
Piantelli and that Krivit would ultimately
Daniel Rocha wrote:
Did he ever say entire factory or just heat a factory? :) Or was
only his room? Seeing his old tests to McKubre, it should be something
below 400W, if that was the state of the art back then.
The heater in the factory produced 5 to 8 kW thermal. It is a small factory.
-
At 09:50 PM 11/28/2011, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
Is the 1MW in addition to, or instead of the 100kW ?
Dear Albert Ellul:
I prefer not, I want to analyze a neutral reaction of the public to make
projections.*This is a very important study*, not just a collection of
pre-orders.
Warm Regards,
AR
Unbeknownst to the cold fusion enthusiasts, Rossi is really doing a
phenomenological study on
This has been discussed elsewhere, but a lot is happening and the threads
here are tangled up with [Vo]:Re:[Vo] problem, so I thought I would
reiterated it. Piantelli has been making some amazing claims lately. See:
http://ecatnews.com/?p=581
Original source in Italian:
See (in Japanese):
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/atmoney/news/2029-OYT1T00943.htm
Summary:
Sales will begin January 30, 2012. Minimum sales price will be ¥3,200,000
($41,000). after government rebates it comes to ¥2,750,000. it takes
roughly 3 hours to recharge. The range on batteries alone
From Ahsoka,
Unbeknownst to the cold fusion enthusiasts, Rossi is really doing a
phenomenological study on the perception and judgement of those who
believe in in LENR.
...
Assuming you're serious, and that Rossi's entire eCat endeavor has
been nothing more than a phenomenological study of
Are you sure of that? It was before the small scale tests for McKubre...
and in the very close to beginning of development of the ecat.
2011/11/29 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Daniel Rocha wrote:
Did he ever say entire factory or just heat a factory? :) Or was only
his room? Seeing
Rossi wrote:
Unit to conform to all USA, State and Local regulations
Unit to conform to USA domestic insurance regulations (Tower Insurance)
I do not think it will be possible to meet these two conditions in 2012 or
2013 either. The insurance regulators have never heard of this device. The
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you sure of that?
Pretty sure. Reliable sources say so. Sorry to sound like a Magic 8-Ball.
- Jed
On 2011-11-29 20:38, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Original source in Italian:
http://www.energeticambiente.it/sistemi-idrogeno-nikel/14742857-novita-cella-piantelli.html
Hopefully we will have additional news on Piantelli by Roy Virgilio
soon. There were supposed to be some by the second half of
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:50:06 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
See (in Japanese):
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/atmoney/news/2029-OYT1T00943.htm
Summary:
Sales will begin January 30, 2012. Minimum sales price will be ¥3,200,000
($41,000). after government rebates it comes
Am 29.11.2011 20:38, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Piantelli has loads of academic credibility. He is been supported for
many years by an Italian automobile manufacturer. I wish I could
recall which one.
So far I have read this was Fiat Avio SpA, which was Fiat's aviation
business. They sold it some
Am 29.11.2011 21:05, schrieb mix...@bigpond.com:
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:50:06 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
See (in Japanese):
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/atmoney/news/2029-OYT1T00943.htm
Summary:
Sales will begin January 30, 2012. Minimum sales price
mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
Efficiency is 60.1 km per liter (141 mpg), compared to an ordinary Prius
which gets 32.6 km per liter (77 mpg). (Those efficiency ratings sound too
high to me.)
They are probably based on the notion that a larger percentage of driving will
be pure electric, thus
So, DGT was trying to test self sustaining for 48 hours. Odd test. Why
exactly this one?
2011/11/29 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you sure of that?
Pretty sure. Reliable sources say so. Sorry to sound like a Magic 8-Ball.
- Jed
--
I had always wondered about this:
Four reasons why the quantum vacuum may explain dark matter
November 28, 2011 by Lisa Zyga
(PhysOrg.com) -- Earlier this year, PhysOrg reported on a new idea
that suggested that gravitational charges in the quantum vacuum could
provide an alternative to dark
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:38:04 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
* Confirms the presence of 6-7 Mev Protons
The suggestion that 6-7 MeV protons are responsible doesn't add up. If you
bombard Nickel with 6-7 MeV protons you don't get enough energy from the fusion
reactions to
I think it is likely that the intellectual property rights for cold fusion
will soon result in a gigantic legal brawl with countless lawsuits. I
suppose that powerful interests may line up behind Piantelli to sue Rossi,
and vice versa, with everyone suing Defkalion. A lawsuit frenzy should not
Gee wiz!
I sed something sort of like this about three to six months ago in the
Vort Collective. However, I'm sure what I said was stated much more
crudely.
I recall conjecturing that the aggregate mass existence of all those
fleeting virtual particles could possibly in themselves contribute to
On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 16:01 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Someone here suggested that the best solution to this problem would be
for governments to throw a large pile of money that everyone involved
in the initial development of cold fusion. I think that would probably
be a good idea. I hope
I recommend giving his patent application another read, should you have the
time. I like that his reactions are both fission and fusion simultaneously -
talk about multi-tasking!:
[0069] In particular, said graphs clearly show that zinc is formed,
whereas zinc was not present in the
Here are some notes on the outcome. I though Uncle Sam purchased the
patents, as originally planned. Not so, according to: The American
aviation experience: a history By Tim Brady
There was a tangle of 130 patents, all essential to aviation.
On July 24, 1917 Congress appropriated $640 million
Due to the international nature of these patents, what do you predict today?
Would LENR be coopted by the IAEA or UN? Would there be a declaration of energy
as a human right, and thus richer countries subsidizing the energy needs of
poorer nations? Or would $ for new energy sources be pried
Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 16:01 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Someone here suggested that the best solution to this problem would be
for governments to throw a large pile of money that everyone involved
in the initial development of cold fusion. I
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
Due to the international nature of these patents, what do you predict today?
I know little about patents. My only prediction is that the people who
deserve a patent for the basic invention of cold fusion will not get one.
Cold fusion is
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:59 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:38:04 -0500:
Note also that 6-7 MeV is the energy that you get from fusing a proton with a
Ni
nucleus, so a likely reaction is the fusion of a Hydrino molecule with a Ni
On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 16:34 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 16:01 -0500, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Someone here suggested that the best solution to this
problem would be
for governments to
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Fleischmann is not working on anything. He is old and suffering from a fatal
disease. He got nothing for his efforts in cold fusion. Neither did any of
the other pioneers. They are mostly old or dead. All they got was
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Where is Stanley Pons?
He is living quietly in France. I have not heard from him in years.
- Jed
A new discussion section just appeared on the Defkalion forum:
Discussion on Hyperion Specs
(Unlocked following Spec release on November 30th 2011)
Let the fun begin!
T
Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote:
But you're not proposing a solution within a moral framework. You're
advocating that people take money from those who may not want to give
it . . .
In that case it should come from a temporary tax on the sale of cold fusion
devices. A royalty, in
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
A new discussion section just appeared on the Defkalion forum:
Discussion on Hyperion Specs
(Unlocked following Spec release on November 30th 2011)
Let the fun begin!
Ah. I get it. You refer to this:
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