AG, look at the date.
The Gallentini pages you refer to were produced in July, for the December and
January tests, as a direct answer to Krivit's concerns; that is why BY MASS was
all in caps. Steven Krivit, of New Energy Times, had traveled to Italy for an
interview with Rossi. An E-Cat was
I would expect the pump noise to alter. Before boiling occurred the pump
only had to contend with flow loss induced pressure requirements. When
steam was generated it had to handle the flow losses plus the steam
pressure on the unboiled water that would be trying to force the feed
water back
There are scientists that report much better results:
http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/cf/204israel.html
citation:
- Run #64b gave 1500% excess heat over a duration of 80 hours with a
total excess energy of 4.6 Megajoules
So, why do they all stare at Rossi and his poor COP and
Why? Because Rossi has apparently cracked the reliability issue. I can
tell you he is being super conservative about the COP number. The 1 MW
test had virtually NO input power. close to infinite COP, 5.5 hours of
heat after death until finally the customer's acceptance engineer said
I have
There are scientists that report much better results:
http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/cf/204israel.html
citation:
- Run #64b gave 1500% excess heat over a duration of 80 hours
with a total excess energy of 4.6 Megajoules
So, why do they all stare at Rossi and his poor COP and
I think more his +10 kW outputs with a few 100 watts in is hard to
question and that is which causes the stares and envy. As for
questionable methods, the 15 Jan test was done under the supervision of
the university professors and scientists. As Rossi said in the video, we
did the tests as
What circus? Rossi brought a Door Knob and stove pipe style reactor to
the university for testing. Set it up with their test equipment and
advise. Did the test the way they desired, as the university people were
in the room (like Celani who tried to get / steal a spectrum) and
measured around
The circus is the continual refusal by deniers that call over 1
year of published peer reviewed (Levi, Kullander, Celani, etc)
test data rubbish when it is the deniers that are making up
rubbish claims. You want science? Wait until Rossi sells me a
E-Cat and you can give it your all, that is
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
There are scientists that report much better results:
http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/cf/204israel.html
citation:
- Run #64b gave 1500% excess heat over a duration of 80 hours with a total
excess energy of 4.6 Megajoules
Dardik's
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote:
If you are so sure Rossi has the goods, why don't you pay him the
money now - none of that escrow nonsense - in return for a 10
percent discount, or for putting you at the top of the waiting
list - or both?
Did Rossi make those offers? Are you
Are you saying Levi, Celani, Kullander, Essen,Bianchi, McKubre,Focardi,
etc and Rossi are ALL fools, idiots, liars or incompetents? If you throw
mud at Rossi you throw mud at them as well.
As for our venture, we need to wait for Rossi to post the technical
specification for the high
The key is the brass manifold - the heat exchanger is unimportant. But I
have not seen the Brass manifold anywhere on their website.
If we could get a hold of a brass manifold (or ask SWEP for an engineering
drawing or CAD model that they probably have) then we could do some proper
analysis or
Without appropriate certification you cannot get equipment insured.
Installing uncertified equipment anywhere exposes the company
manufacturing, marketing, installing or owning the equipment up to all
sorts of potentially devastating legal repercussions in the event of an
accident or failure or
Am 11.12.2011 15:15, schrieb Robert Lynn:
The key is the brass manifold - the heat exchanger is unimportant. But I
have not seen the Brass manifold anywhere on their website.
I dont think the heatexchanger is unimportant.
I got the heater applications handbook from SWEPS website.
The exchanger did work in the horizontal position. All it has to do is to
condense and cool the vapor/water mixture that enters into the primary. The
temperature of the exiting liquid was low enough and that is proof that the
device transferred the heat.
Location of the TCs is another matter
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Robert Lynn
robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Without appropriate certification you cannot get equipment insured.
Rossi claims he has CE certification.
T
Am 11.12.2011 16:49, schrieb David Roberson:
The exchanger did work in the horizontal position. All it has to do is to
condense and cool the vapor/water mixture that enters into the primary. The
temperature of the exiting liquid was low enough and that is proof that the
device transferred
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Rossi claims he has CE certification.
From JNoP:
Andrea Rossi October 23rd, 2011 at 8:08 AM Dear Dario: The CE for the
business to business has been done. For household applications not
yet. Warm Regards, A.R .
Of
Peter, Mats Lewan measured the output water temperature at two points in time
and it was quite low. Review his report. What evidence do you have that the
heat exchanger did not transfer the heat? I hope you realize that this
suggestion of yours would indicate that heat was escaping the
The heat exchanger will not work as well when horizontal (the condensate
water will not drain out nicely and the steam will not pass in parallel
through all channels equally due to pressure gradient from top to bottom of
stack), but it will still work - just with greater pressure drop
and
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
As for Krivit in Italy did you actually listen to the way he asked
questions? He was rude and insulting. To an Italian his actions would have
just shut them down. Did you see Levi's reactions as Krivit questioned
Exactly. Besides which others have claimed to have checked and found no
records of his having CE compliance.
On top of which it is obvious to any engineer that looks that his design
and construction would not comply with even the European Pressure Equipment
Directive, (Oct 6th test was a
Am 11.12.2011 17:12, schrieb David Roberson:
Peter, Mats Lewan measured the output water temperature at two points in time
and it was quite low. Review his report. What evidence do you have that the
heat exchanger did not transfer the heat?
I did not say that.
Of course it transferred the
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 6:09 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
Are you saying Levi, Celani, Kullander, Essen,Bianchi, McKubre,Focardi,
etc and Rossi are ALL fools, idiots, liars or incompetents? If you throw
mud at Rossi you throw mud at them as well.
No. You're putting up
You are both going over the top here. I think in scientific discourse
something along the lines of Yeat's Second Coming is worth holding in
mind:
The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate
intensity
On 11 December 2011 16:13, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
On
Are you sure Puthoff was so skeptical to start with? He spent more than a
decade spending public money to research paranormal even before meeting
Yuri Geller.
2011/12/11 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 6:09 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Robert Lynn
robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly. Besides which others have claimed to have checked and found no
records of his having CE compliance.
Yeah, that was me. But, you need to know under which company it is
registered. I tried all the
I downloaded an image from Ny Teknik and enhanced contrast and
brightness and sharpened it, to make the thermoelement visible:
http://hphsite.de/vortex/thermoelement.jpg
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Are you sure Puthoff was so skeptical to start with? He spent more than a
decade spending public money to research paranormal even before meeting
Yuri Geller.
Neither Targ nor Puthoff were properly skeptical of
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Robert Lynn
robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly. Besides which others have claimed to have checked and found no
records of his having CE compliance.
Yeah, that was me.
I never found a way to make vapor carry more than 1/1 of its volume in
liquid when any of its parts are sltighly off horizontal. So, I cannot
convince myself that humidity meters would be useful at all.
2011/12/11 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Daniel Rocha
1. Francesco Fiorenzani
December 10th, 2011 at 10:03
AMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=563cpage=4#comment-143668
Dear Andrea Rossi
In your opinion the collaboration with University of Bologna
will start before the next March or not?
thank you
Francesco
Rossi did not even answer the question. lol
Harry
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Francesco Fiorenzani
December 10th, 2011 at 10:03 AM
Dear Andrea Rossi
In your opinion the collaboration with University of Bologna
will start before the next March or
acceleration under load effect, by deepcut66
http://youtu.be/vBDOOSOhbz0
The previous setup had physical limitations although it was
excellent for demonstrating the AUL [acceleration under load] effect.
This setup lends itself better to harnessing the effect for
power-generation.
I've done away
Well, if the testing has already begun, if is being flatly denied by UNIBO:
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/12/01/university-of-bologna-clarifies-relationship-with-rossi/
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 12:46:39 -0500
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi plans to muzzle the university project for at least a
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
According to the meters more power is coming out than going in, but we
all know how deceptive things can be and i can't do proper
measurements until i get my hands on a scope, which i will get in the
new year.
DVM's
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 4:36 AM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.dewrote:
There are scientists that report much better results:
http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/cf/204israel.html
citation:
- Run #64b gave 1500% excess heat over a duration of 80 hours with a total
excess energy of
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Without appropriate certification you cannot get equipment insured.
Installing uncertified equipment anywhere exposes the company
manufacturing, marketing, installing or owning the equipment up to all
sorts of potentially devastating legal
On 2011-12-11 18:46, Harry Veeder wrote:
Rossi did not even answer the question. lol
I think we should now expect Rossi to not activate (i.e. pay) his
contract with the University of Bologna in January, and see him come out
at some point with a [mostly] undisclosed report of an undisclosed
I am confused about the purpose of the experiment. Is this some kind of free
energy device? If it really works, you should be able to drive the input with
the output and have it to accelerate in speed or at least keep freely moving.
If this can not be done, then most likely there is a
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
wrote:
Let's hope that Defkalion GT or other scientists (supposedly close to
reaching commercially viable results) won't back off from reputable,
independent, thorough testing at the last minute or postpone it
Mass in must = mass out, or else pressure inside would steadily increase.
From: Daniel Rocha [mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 9:19 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:What is so special abbout Rossi?
I never found a way to make vapor carry more than
Just a thought, FWIW:
The pressure does increase, raising the boiling temperature, decreasing the
primary pump output (remember it decreases with back-pressure) and eventually
it leaks out of the top of the E-Cat. Remember the leaking seals?
From: zeropo...@charter.net
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
The problem of insurance et certification is a key fact.
for me it is a way for the incumbent business to block the spread of that
technology to the public, and privatize the benefits to the usual big
players.
as you see many comments, this is in process. the LENR is not event proved,
and
On 2011-12-11 19:28, Mary Yugo wrote:
[...]
Is there any reason to believe anything Defkalion claims at this point?
Basing on recently disclosed information, independent testing should
occur within the first months of next year. Confidential information at
my disposal also leads me to
You are right that Rossi and Defkalion did proof nothing certain.
but We have to understand that in the business logic(unscientific) they
have no incentive to prove anything to us, the opposite.
they just have incentive to prove to their clients, and convince others
nothing works, until
Agreed. 1 year exceeds my subjective deadline of October 28th. Time to move
on...
2011/12/11 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
On 2011-12-11 18:46, Harry Veeder wrote:
Rossi did not even answer the question. lol
I think we should now expect Rossi to not activate (i.e. pay) his
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
This sort of claim Unique to the ET experiments is the use of a new
understanding of wave modulation. Rather than dc, dc + ac, dc pulsed or
bi-level perturbation, the waveforms being subjected (successfully) to test
by ET employ waves fractally nested in a
Mary, and many LENR-under-informed or patho-skeptics, point to things like
this as evidence to support their beliefs:
Nor is there any evidence that Defkalion, as they claimed, provided devices
to the Greek authorities for safety and efficacy testing and certification.
A member of the Greek
Yes, I would expect the pressure to increase slightly until the reactor
reached steady state, but after that, and over the course of 6+ hours, if
mass in NOT= mass out, then pressure would increase to dangerous levels (if
not explosive) since the volume ratio between liquid water and water as
Hi all
I would like to determine the shear stress in the Sun so I need to know its
viscosity. Does anybody know it or how to derive it? The shear flow in the
Sun and other stars is a riddle.
David
David Jonsson, Sweden, phone callto:+46703000370
Recently, Steven Krivit of New Energy Times was
interviewed by a representative of IARPA, a U.S.
government agency, reported by Krivit at
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/government/Intel/Krivit-LENR-Interview-IARPA.shtml
In that interview, Krivit refers to his prior study of SRI experiment M4:
It's been suggested that heavy electrons may accelerate fusion in metals.
In Intense focusing of light using metals - JB Pendry (p. 9) --
http://www.cmth.ph.ic.ac.uk/photonics/Newphotonics/pdf/pendry_crete.pdf
-- states that the effective mass of heavy electrons can equal the mass of
a nitrogen
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Mary, and many LENR-under-informed or patho-skeptics, point to things like
this as evidence to support their beliefs
Name calling now? Nice. What, exactly is a patho-skeptic? Someone who
doubts a
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de
Here is a screenshot about condensing applications:
http://hphsite.de/vortex/SWEP-handbook.png
I think Rossi did it perfectly wrong and the exchanger cannot work in
horizontal orientation.
I think that the combination of using it horizontally AND with
Yes, I do now think, the heat exchanger should do it in the horizontal
orientation.
I tested this as follows:
I downloaded and installed the heatexchanger calculation software from
SWEP.
It is unregistered and in demo mode. Registering is free bust must be
approved, so I have none.
In this
Mary:
You should read the entire thread which ended with the following exchange
between me and Terry:
Mark Iverson:
Didn't they change the location to Cypress? Or was that just rumor? I
tend to gloss over the non-technical details.
Terry Blanton:
Defkalion Green Technologies is
Peter:
Thanks for taking time to RAISE the SNR!
What can we conclude from your analysis? Well, at first reading, it seems
reasonable, so it is at least helpful and might swing the 'accuracy meter' a
little over to Rossi's favor, however, I don't think its conclusive. But that
seems to be the
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
“So, has anyone checked to see if Defkalion has filed an application
with the
appropriate agency on Cypress??? Probably not... at least not yet!”
Except that Defkalion specifically said their
That they promised to heat the police academy was before they broke up with
Rossi, right?
2011/12/11 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
“So, has anyone checked to see if Defkalion has filed an application
Am 11.12.2011 21:51, schrieb Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint:
Peter:
Thanks for taking time to RAISE the SNR!
What can we conclude from your analysis? Well, at first reading, it seems
reasonable, so it is at least helpful and might swing the 'accuracy meter' a
little over to Rossi's favor, however, I
Mary wrote:
That none of this appears to be true is indeed evidence-- evidence that
Defkalion was lying.
NO, IT IS NOT EVIDENCE THAT THEY ARE LYING!
There are a number of explanations which are just as plausible:
- knowledge of the application's existence has not made it up to
I don't know Daniel. but that's certainly a relevant point.
I've only skimmed these kinds of topics since they rarely prove ANYTHING,
positive or negative.
I have only been engaging in the discussion lately in an attempt to raise
the SNR of this forum.
-mark
From: Daniel Rocha
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
That they promised to heat the police academy was before they broke up
with Rossi, right?
I think that's correct. But they also claimed they have their own
technology and don't need Rossi. In fact their Hyperion
Peter:
There's a bit of a language barrier here...
I was not suggesting that you actually repeat the analysis, or do something a
little different... but I think most readers will understand my point.
Again, thanks for taking time to run the analysis and report your results...
-Mark
Am 11.12.2011 22:57, schrieb Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint:
Peter:
There's a bit of a language barrier here...
I was not suggesting that you actually repeat the analysis, or do something a
little different... but I think most readers will understand my point.
I dont understand your point.
If I could
No, not name calling. it is a valid term according to many definitive
references, this one from Webster's Online Dictionary:
The terms Pathological skepticism and Pseudoskepticism were coined, by
Marcello Truzzi (sociology professor at Eastern Michigan University), in the
early 1990s in response
We do have a language barrier here... sorry!
Can someone translate my point to Peter?
If I understand you right, you don't want anything being tested this way.
And Rossi does not want it. This is strange.
No, that is NOT what I meant...
I think your analysis was a GOOD effort!
-Mark
Mary wrote:
Someone who doubts a convicted felon who makes extravagant claims and then
won't provide definitive proof that is extremely easy, safe and cheap to
come by?
Oh brother. not that again. As usual, the material regarding Rossi's
questionable history has been rehashed numerous times
Some news about engineering atomic interactions, which ties in with my
contention that nuclear and electron interactions can be achieved at much
lower energies if one knows what frequencies and harmonic relationships are
involved:
Atoms dressed with light show new interactions, could reveal
I was impressed with Rossi's magnetic glasses as seen in one or more videos
( made practical by rare earth magnets ), so I ordered two pairs from:
http://www.readingglasses.com/clic-reader
I like them!
After all, if Rossi likes them, they gotta be good :-) .
Hoyt Stearns
Scottsdale, Arizona US
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Where did that phrase you apparently quoted out of context come from
anyway?”
What phase are you referring to?
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
It's cute but often wrong.
I guess we
From Hoyt:
I was impressed with Rossi's magnetic glasses as seen in one or more
videos ( made practical by rare earth magnets ), so I ordered two pairs
from:
http://www.readingglasses.com/clic-reader
I like them!
After all, if Rossi likes them, they gotta be good :-) .
I would
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 9:14 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
I would speculate that Rossi probably had Lasik surgery performed on his
eyes so that his focus range is permanently set at far distances.
He has presbyopia. Inflexible natural lens due to old
Terry sez:
I would speculate that Rossi probably had Lasik surgery performed on
his eyes so that his focus range is permanently set at far distances.
He has presbyopia. Inflexible natural lens due to old age. Like me.
Myself as well. I forgot the technical term.
Incidentally, when
Dave Nagel says that about 100 people turned out for the memorial service.
Talbott was a nice person with many friends.
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com asked:
Did he have any opinion on Rossi's device? Or on Ni+H reactions in general?
What was it?
He seemed negative about that. I thought
You have put more effort into this analysis than Krivit merits.
- Jed
Please, I am curious. Not only about Rossi, but about Ni + H in general...
2011/12/12 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Did he have any opinion on Rossi's device? Or on Ni+H reactions in
general? What was it?
He seemed negative about that. I thought he was misinformed about the
details
Abd Lomax has rendered valuable service by clearly putting this lucid
exposition of the M4 data into the focus of debate about evidence for
CF:
Krivit: ...In 2004, McKubre, Hagelstein, David J. Nagel, Talbot
Chubb, Randy Hekman, Graham Hubler and Michael Melich proposed that
the Department of
GJB:
If your hypothesis started with some (peer-reviewed, or not) references, could
you please provide some links or abstracts on those?
-Mark
From: GJB [mailto:kiw...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:16 PM
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:RFC: Localised Electrodynamic
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