Of course they are not like Rossi. They have not designed a paradigm shifting
technology. Instead, they are just searching for some particle, with no idea of
how to make it into a technology.
By the way, Rossi has tested his device over and over again. He is satisfied
the technology works and
I am all for vertical agriculture, but I am totally opposed to a global basic
income. I do not support socialism or communism.
With cold fusion technology, the price of everything will go down. Even a job
at McDonalds will be capable of paying for a nice house, nice cars, etc. We can
have a
I can't wait until the cost of everything has went down dramatically. I think
combining cold fusion with robotics and nanotechnology could allow us to end up
in a world where there is no such thing as scarcity. Everything could be dirt
cheap, and a simple part-time job would allow someone to
I think the election cycle this year is going to be very interesting. Actually,
I think it will be more exciting than ever before!
With the US military satisfied the Rossi technology works, purchasing thirteen
systems, and helping with R and D, I think the politicians are bound to be told
Bushnell had the vision to make Mars habitable. Ok, thats an utopy.
But can make deserts green and siberia habitable.
Its unclear what this does to global climate.
It can solve the water problems in far east and israel and can prevent wars for
oil.
But this all must be seen with care. Each new
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
I understand and agree with all the reasons but the problem I see is
accounting for the water. But how much water? I can't really tell what
Lewan measured.
It's pretty simple. Lewan measured about 11 liters going in to
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
An ultrasonic nebulizer is certainly possibly but it's a bit far fetched.
A bit? How would the water from this reach the end of the hose without
forming drops and becoming an
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
Lewan's 2nd test in april adequately measured the output energy to
establish O/I of over 3/1. Since steam quality and output measurements have
been questioned and used as a basis to argue that the various Rossi tests
So some things are impossible? You should keep an open mind. It doesn't
violate any principles of physics for a mist of micrometer droplets to
travel through a hose, and it is far more plausible than radiationless
nuclear reactions producing heat.
Joshua:
Considering this mist after
That calculation also requires an assumption that the steam that escapes
at
the end of the hose is dry. That is highly unlikely. If in fact, a fine
mist or fog was entrained in that steam, to explain the disappearance of
water, very little gain is established.
Sure, but the output after
Cude wrote:
So some things are impossible? You should keep an open mind. It doesn't
violate any principles of physics for a mist of micrometer droplets to
travel through a hose, and it is far more plausible than radiationless
nuclear reactions producing heat.
What is possible and
noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com wrote:
I am all for vertical agriculture, but I am totally opposed to a global
basic income. I do not support socialism or communism.
Socialism, communism and capitalism are all based on ordinary people
trading labor for money. In a few decades human labor
Mary Yugo wrote:
So why not take some of the output heat, run it through a simple and
reliable control system, and then return the heat to the input end?
Then, Rossi could self sustain after a brief initial period of
electrical heating, for as long as he liked.
He did that! What are you
I wrote:
I could set up a test to do that this afternoon, since I have an
ultrasonic humidifier. I would use a plastic bag to funnel the mist into a
short garden hose, and put a bucket at the end of the hose to collect the
water.
Use a scale to weigh the bucket and the humidifier reservoir
I have one of those, 5L. At maximum power, it takes 33W and 15 hours to
empty all the reservoir, but the fog is so dense that it falls within a
meter but it is so opaque cannot see through it. Despite all this, putting
my hand in front of exit of the fog, it takes a few seconds to make my hand
BTW, the vertical component of the exit tube of my humidifier is only 5cm
long...
2011/12/13 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
I have one of those, 5L. At maximum power, it takes 33W and 15 hours to
empty all the reservoir, but the fog is so dense that it falls within a
meter but it is so
Daniel Rocha wrote:
BTW, the vertical component of the exit tube of my humidifier is only
5cm long...
Mine too. As I said, I think you could use a plastic bag to funnel the
vapor into a hose.
Put a plastic bag around the exit tube, and tape it. Cut off one corner
of the bag leaving a
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 6:52 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo wrote:
So why not take some of the output heat, run it through a simple and
reliable control system, and then return the heat to the input end?
Then, Rossi could self sustain after a brief initial period
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Cude wrote:
So some things are impossible? You should keep an open mind. It doesn't
violate any principles of physics for a mist of micrometer droplets to
travel through a hose, and it is far more plausible than
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
I have one of those, 5L. At maximum power, it takes 33W and 15 hours to
empty all the reservoir, but the fog is so dense that it falls within a
meter but it is so opaque cannot see through it. Despite all this, putting
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Daniel Rocha wrote:
BTW, the vertical component of the exit tube of my humidifier is only 5cm
long...
Mine too. As I said, I think you could use a plastic bag to funnel the
vapor into a hose.
Be sure to mix it
Even if all is carried, the fog is extremely think and doesn't match the
video. And even with a such thick fog, my hand, it takes seconds for my
hand to feel the moisture. This leads me to think that it is impossible
that more than 1/1 of liquid by liquid is present in that video.
2011/12/13
*liquid by volume
2011/12/13 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
Even if all is carried, the fog is extremely think and doesn't match the
video. And even with a such thick fog, my hand, it takes seconds for my
hand to feel the moisture. This leads me to think that it is impossible
that more
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
He did that! What are you talking about?!? He has made the thing
self-sustain from internally generated heat for 4 hours.
It's not self-sustaining if you have to cycle the input power, and Rossi
has admitted that the
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Did you notice the difference between the ecat that could self-sustain,
and the one that did not? About 70 kg more mass, and 8 kW less power. Hmmm.
Coincidence?
NO! Progress!
At 10:57 PM 12/12/2011, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
So far I have read, they got
strong evidence, but not this high evidence that is needed for such a
fundamental discovery.
They are not like Rossi. They will test it again and again and doubt and
harden it by all possible methods, before they
Lattice Energy LLC-LENRs and Cold Fusion are Different Concepts - Dec 13 2011
http://dev2.slideshare.com/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llclenrs-and-cold-fusion-are-different-conceptsdec-13-2011
I don't know if anyone stopped to think that WL claims are much more
spectacular than Rossi's. While Rossi's claims only refer to small black
boxe(s), WL includes things that work with the ecat's super qualities plus
that nearly all natural phenomena should include some LENR, almost like all
I'm sorry if this has been discussed before. What I find odd about Newan's
documentation is that he notes the boiling point at 99.5 C. He then adds .5 C
to that on page two when explaining the outlet under approximately 200 mm or so
of water. So he gets 100 C overall and a measured T out of
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote:
I don't know if anyone stopped to think that WL claims are much more
spectacular than Rossi's. While Rossi's claims only refer to small black
boxe(s), WL includes things that work with the ecat's super qualities plus
Mary Yugo wrote:
Rossi ran a nuclear reactor for four hours with a claimed six month
capability and I am supposed to be ecstatic?
Since it would have cooled down immediately in the absence of anomalous
heat, 4 hours proves the point as well as 40 years would.
There is nothing in any
The topic now is WL theory... Rossi's claims are just too shy in comparison.
2011/12/13 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote:
I don't know if anyone stopped to think that WL claims are much more
spectacular than Rossi's.
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
Mary Yugo wrote:
Rossi ran a nuclear reactor for four hours with a claimed six month
capability and I am supposed to be ecstatic?
Since it would have cooled down immediately in the absence of anomalous
heat, 4
This went to personal mail, so I'm forwarding to the list:
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 7:29 AM, Ransom Wuller rwul...@peaknet.net wrote:
Sure, but the output after traveling through meters of hose also had to
then travel through water allowed to stand at room temperature.
It's exactly what
The statement from Lattice Energy LLC strikes me as essentially
saying: Accept no other theory than our own. IOW, product placement.
If LE LLC eventually gets around to unveiling their own Dog Pony
show, meaning the presentation of a product (or just a prototype),
then by all means, let the
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
Mary Yugo wrote:
There is nothing in any Rossi device's design that routes heat BACK from
output to input via a controller.
This make no sense. The heat is there in the reactor. There is no need to
conduct,
On 12th Day before Christmas, the ATLAS money-pit collaboration found that
a Higgs mass from 145 to 206 GeV has been excluded by their testing, and
today the geniuses have ‘probably’ limited the particle to a range of
115–130 GeV.
What a bunch of unmitigated pomposity. Give them a continuing 5
Members of the Vortex:
I joined last night to address an issue raised by Maryyugo. Being a lawyer I
really have no special expertise in the sciences and thus have little to
offer on technical issue. Thus, not wanting to burden all of you I will
likely either stay a member and be quiet or exit
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:12 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
Lattice Energy LLC-LENRs and Cold Fusion are Different Concepts - Dec 13
2011
As usual, he points out
1) the absurdity of breaching the Coulomb barrier in ordinary fusion, which
would take something approaching 100 keV for
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
OK. Then why does it have to be reheated by a safety heater at regular
intervals?
I do not know, but there must be a reason. Nothing happen in nature without
a cause. Perhaps they will find a way to make it run without this in the
future.
In any case,
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
In any case, it continues in self-sustaining mode far beyond the limits of
chemistry,
Not more than a few per cent on *this* side of the limits of chemistry.
and the energy used to reheat it is far less than the
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
Members of the Vortex:
I joined last night to address an issue raised by Maryyugo. Being a lawyer I
really have no special expertise in the sciences and thus have little to
offer on technical issue. Thus, not wanting to
From Randy Wuller:
...
... I also don't care if the name given to the process is
particularly accurate from a scientific standpoint,
you guys can call it whatever you want once you figure it out.
Many on this list have argued this very issue. So have I. Before I was
asked to resign, while I
my first post ...
Mary Yugo wrote
As Carl Sagan was fond of pointing out, the more extreme the claim, the
better the evidence has to be. Anyone can claim anything and there are
plenty of strange and not wonderful web sites that demonstrate the
phenomenon. The interesting thing to me is
Jones sez:
...
What a bunch of unmitigated pomposity. Give them a continuing
5 billion per annum - and in few decades, wow - they could
probably get it right. Isn’t it about time for a big dose
of “Occupy CERN”.
From:
http://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-is-dark-energy/
my first post ...
Mary Yugo wrote
As Carl Sagan was fond of pointing out, the more extreme the claim, the
better the evidence has to be. Anyone can claim anything and there are
plenty of strange and not wonderful web sites that demonstrate the
phenomenon. The interesting thing to me is
Here is a message from Mats Lewan.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
A couple of comments.
- The report you should refer to is this:
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3166569.ece/BINARY/Report+test+of+E-cat+28+April+2011.pdf
Mary referred correctly to this report, but someone referred also to
On 13 December 2011 23:25, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
The higher temperature might as well be due to a slightly increased pressure
inside the Ecat resulting in a higher boiling point
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax calculated this many months ago. If steam was
saturated (what is almost
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
However, it is very sad, that Lewan forgot to do simple steam sparging
test, what would have been given simple datapoint of the overall
performance.
I discussed this with him. I think the bucket was too far from the reactor
to do this
Hi All,
Just a brief update on the replication attempt by Chan. Chan is an
anonymous poster who claims to have replicated the Rossi reaction
using powders on two builder sites, ecatbuilder.com and buildecat.com.
He uses an RFG connected to a induction coil to heat the contents of a
copper
Am 13.12.2011 23:21, schrieb ecat builder:
Hi All,
Just a brief update on the replication attempt by Chan. Chan is an
anonymous poster who claims to have replicated the Rossi reaction
using powders on two builder sites, ecatbuilder.com and buildecat.com.
He uses an RFG connected to a induction
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I calibrated the thermocouple in a pot of boiling water before the test
and it was 99.6 deg C. That’s all you need to know. It’s in the report.
The temperatures +/- a degree or two within boiling are not informative.
Chris Zell wrote:
Once the emergence is established, there will be evidence of public grief by
various enviromentalists and climate change activists. Only a few will observe
what this teaches about their real motives were
I'm not having a go at Chris directly here but he repeats a common
Thanks Jed for explaining this automation argument in detail again. It
is surprising how it seems impossible for humans to comprehend that
argument, because this has been the reality for decades. And we have
all the evidence if we just look around.
However automation is not bad thing. We just
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.dewrote:
Am 13.12.2011 23:21, schrieb ecat builder:
Hi All,
Just a brief update on the replication attempt by Chan. Chan is an
anonymous poster who claims to have replicated the Rossi reaction
using powders on two builder
I have to say, I think that Mats did a great job in these tests.
An input flowmeter would've been nice, but I think that the biggest criticism
that I have is that the input power was not continually monitored.
The results cannot entirely be explained away by the vaporization question. For
these
No, Chan's mix isn't really close to the paper cited. Did you cite the wrong
paper?
Chan uses nickel and copper - plus the MgH2 and iron
Max Plank uses no nickel or copper
-Original Message-
From: Peter Heckert
He uses an RFG connected to a induction coil to heat the contents of a
Nickel was used.
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
No, Chan's mix isn't really close to the paper cited. Did you cite the
wrong
paper?
Chan uses nickel and copper - plus the MgH2 and iron
Max Plank uses no nickel or copper
..
On Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:32 PM Peter Heckert said [snip] This is rather
exactly what they use at Max Plank Institute for their
high temperature heat storage system.
http://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/10/1/325/pdf [/snip]
Peter,
In the past I have mentioned the Lyne furnace and MAHG
I don't see how boiling a pot of water and sticking a thermometer somewhere
into the swirling flow can possibly be as accurate as calculating it. Depending
on the heat source, the pot and the placement of the thermometer you should
always find a range of temperatures at least one or two degrees
Joshua,
I believe, Zawodny does explain the creation of ULM neutrons through the
plasmonic creation of heavy electrons. See (slide 16) of
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/36/2010-Zawodny-AviationUnleashed.pdf
I am unsure as to whether Zawodny is correct, but page 9 of INTENSE
FOCUSING OF
Yes, thane's research was the inspiration for this experiment.
Harry
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Robert Leguillon
robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
Reminds me of Thane Heins' Regenerative Acceleration.
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Robert Leguillon
robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
The central issue is that Acceleration Under Load (AUL) is a misnomer.
No. It describes exactly what is observed.
The
acceleration is occurring when coils are being shorted. Two issues arise:
1) The
Please remember that the impluse required to produce a jump in angular
velocity is not the same as the torque required
to produce a steady angular acceleration.
Harry
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Robert Leguillon
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Robert Leguillon
2) Shorting the coil does create a collapsing magnetic field. The time
constant of the collapsing field is proportional to the resistance to
electrical current. If the shorted coil collapses at just the right speed
w.r.t. the disk rotation,
Occasionally the MAHG comes up in regard to Rossi... as much in the context
of a 'missed opportunity' as anything else.
The original device was constructed 8 or more years ago in Russia by
Alexander Frolov. Having seen his name recently (in mention of Yan
Kucherov), I googled to see if he is
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Moab Moab moab2...@googlemail.com wrote:
my first post ...
Mary Yugo wrote
As Carl Sagan was fond of pointing out, the more extreme the claim, the
better the evidence has to be. Anyone can claim anything and there are
plenty of strange and not
Hi,
On 13-12-2011 21:50, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
From:
http://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-is-dark-energy/
By fitting a theoretical model of the composition of the
Universe to the combined set of cosmological observations,
scientists have come up with the
Subject: check out this 10,000 volt single cell battery near end of lecture
I see it but I still don't believe it.
http://academicearth.org/lectures/batteries-emf-energy-conservation-kirchoffs-rules
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:09:15 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
http://www.faraday.ru/ah.pdf
This is not the first time xenon and hydrogen have been proposed to work
together for gain.
Indeed. Papp used a mixture of all the noble gasses, including Xe.
(With the H coming from
In reply to Man on Bridges's message of Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:26:08 +0100:
Hi,
[snip]
Concerning matter, we have been all wrong. What we have called matter
is energy, whose vibration has been so lowered as to be perceptible to
the senses. There is no matter. - Albert Einstein
I don't think it's
In reply to fznidar...@aol.com's message of Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:30:30 -0500
(EST):
Hi,
[snip]
Subject: check out this 10,000 volt single cell battery near end of lecture
I see it but I still don't believe it.
In reply to ecat builder's message of Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:21:23 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
Quoting: Experiment with RFG to determine sweet spot for initial
heating and then sweet spot for maintaining reaction, modulating pulse
rate, frequency and power. Wave shape is important. Half wave sweet
spots also
- Original Nachricht
Von: mix...@bigpond.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 14.12.2011 07:22
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Fwd: check out this 10,000 volt single cell battery near end
of lecture
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Von: Moab Moab moab2...@googlemail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 13.12.2011 21:51
Betreff: [VO]: ENEA endorses the phenomenon
my first post ...
Mary Yugo wrote
As Carl Sagan was fond of pointing out, the more extreme the claim, the
I think I've watched all of Thane's vids and from what I remember, there is
a lower limit (RPM) where the acceleration will not happen, but if you start
at, or above, that RPM, then shorting the coils causes very significant
acceleration (IIRC, 100rpm/sec) from say 1700 RPM to over 3000. I
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