Please remember that the impluse required to produce a jump in angular
velocity is not the same as the torque required
to produce a steady angular acceleration.

Harry

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Harry Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Robert Leguillon
> <robert.leguil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> The central issue is that Acceleration Under Load (AUL) is a misnomer.
>
> No. It describes exactly what is observed.
>
>> The
>> acceleration is occurring when coils are being shorted. Two issues arise:
>> 1) The initial power/rpm ratio is set while these same "regenerative coils"
>> are presenting opposition to movement. In most experiments, just moving the
>> coils out of the way would result in more rpm/watt.
>
> If you remove the coils  then you are missing the point of the experiment.
> According according to Lenz law the coils should should slow the rotor
> when the coils are shorted and remain shorted.
>
>
>> 2) Shorting the coil does create a collapsing magnetic field. The time
>> constant of the collapsing field is proportional to the resistance to
>> electrical current. If the shorted coil collapses at just the right speed
>> w.r.t. the disk rotation, it would cause a "push" in the direction of
>> rotation. There could be a higher rpm of rotation at a lower torque value,
>> and only within the narrow band of rotation frequency.
>
> Assuming this is possible, the effect you mention will only result in
> momentary jerk in the direction of rotation.
> However, what is observed is a steady acceleration in the direction of
> rotation while the coils remain "shorted".
>
> Anyway Thane Heins youtube channel has better examples because you can
> hear the acceleration.
>
> harry
>
>>
>>> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:19:52 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load
>>> From: hveeder...@gmail.com
>>> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
>>>
>>> Hopefully it will become free energy device.
>>>
>>> Dozens of amateur researchers ( Steorn included ) have established
>>> that it is possible to circumvent Lenz's law. The hope is this will
>>> eventually lead to a free energy device.
>>>
>>> But even if you can't use a violation of lenz law to generate free
>>> energy, this achievement alone deserves attention from mainstream
>>> engineers and physicists, which it isn't getting. It is a strange
>>> state of affairs.
>>> Harry
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 1:21 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > I am confused about the purpose of the experiment. Is this some kind of
>>> > free
>>> > energy device?  If it really works, you should be able to drive the
>>> > input
>>> > with the output and have it to accelerate in speed or at least keep
>>> > freely
>>> > moving.  If this can not be done, then most likely there is a difficulty
>>> > in
>>> > reading the true power output and input.
>>> >
>>> > Dave
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Harry Veeder <hveeder...@gmail.com>
>>> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
>>> > Sent: Sun, Dec 11, 2011 12:53 pm
>>> > Subject: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load
>>> >
>>> > acceleration under load effect, by deepcut66
>>> >
>>> > http://youtu.be/vBDOOSOhbz0
>>> >
>>> > <<The previous setup had physical limitations although it was
>>> > excellent for demonstrating the AUL [acceleration under load] effect.
>>> > This setup lends itself better to harnessing the effect for
>>> > power-generation.
>>> >
>>> > I've done away with the Bedini drive circuitry and replaced it with a
>>> > 12v/6w motor from an Audi message-pump system :
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12v-DC-electric-motor-UK-SELLER-/110739940158?pt=UK...
>>> >
>>> > This gives me twice the RPM for a third of the input power, coupled
>>> > with the fact that the rotor has 24 poles, arranged N/S i can now get
>>> > higher frequencies.
>>> >
>>> > This is running at around six or seven hudred Hz.
>>> >
>>> > According to the meters more power is coming out than going in, but we
>>> > all know how deceptive things can be and i can't do proper
>>> > measurements until i get my hands on a scope, which i will get in the
>>> > new year.>>
>>> >
>>>

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