Latest defkalion post:
Tests with the presence of high level Government officials have been
concluded. Opinions and results were very positive.
Announcements will be made upon mutual agreements, at a time yet to be
defined.
Tests continue with international Authorities in the coming
I must admit that the forecasts from Path/Pseudo Skeptics are becoming more
and more accurate... heh... That makes me really, really sad.
2012/2/28 Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl
Latest defkalion post:
Tests with the presence of high level Government officials have been
concluded.
WOW ! That sounds very impressive!
2012/2/28 Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl
Latest defkalion post:
Tests with the presence of high level Government officials have been
concluded. Opinions and results were very positive.
Announcements will be made upon mutual agreements, at a time yet
Is Rossi working for DGT now? :-)
Em 28 de fevereiro de 2012 09:51, Andrea Selva
andreagiuseppe.se...@gmail.com escreveu:
WOW ! That sounds very impressive!
2012/2/28 Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl
Latest defkalion post:
Tests with the presence of high level Government officials
our dream becoming reality?
can it really be?
I'd like to see detailed accounts of independent replications of
anomalies, which then would have to granted the status of paradigm
shifting data...
Me too, Richard. Me too.
We shall see...
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
From Andre,
WOW! That sounds very impressive!
Tests with the presence of high level Government officials
have been concluded. Opinions and results were very positive.
Announcements will be made upon mutual agreements, at a time
yet to be defined.
Tests continue with international
Personally, I don't have a big problem with them taking some more time.
Their silence over the past days just confirms that they have been busy
hosting. And I can imagine that it takes a while to put the results in
writing in a way that pleases both DGT and the government officials.
That is:
I think they have a first things first politics. Authorities are
influential people who take decisions. We at Vortex are just curious
people, kibitzes, electronic paper tigers, with low impact. In the best
case- kind of consultants. Can we come and say: Guys, we have perfectly
solved the problems
what did you expect from a corp...
a video of the tests ? preliminary results on rough paper with units
errors ?
it is annoying for us, but that is the rule of regular corp communication
...
no comment before all is checked.
their short message is already at the limit of what is allowed
what did you expect from a corp...
Let us know at least who attended the tests ? Too hard ?
I think the results - in essence- are much more important than the testers-
at least this time.
Say it were the Greek Ministers for Industry, Energy and Environment - each
with three consultants plus the Vice-President for Technology
of the Greek Academy.
What can we do with this information?
What can we do with this information?
Maybe just ask them if they really attended the tests.
2012/2/28 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
I think the results - in essence- are much more important than the
testers- at least this time.
Say it were the Greek Ministers for Industry, Energy and
Did you ever think you would hear MIT bragging about overunity?
Thermoelectrically Pumped Light-Emitting Diodes Operating
above Unity Efficiency
http://link.aps.org/doi/10.1103/PhysRevLett.108.097403
Parthiban Santhanam, Dodd Joseph Gray, Jr., and Rajeev J.
Ram
Pay attention at this:
Experiments directly confirm for the first time that this behavior
continues beyond the conventional limit of unity electrical-to-optical
power conversion efficiency.
It is above the conventional, not that it produces energy out of nothing.
This is just a way of saying
From: Daniel Rocha
Pay attention at this:
Experiments directly confirm for the first time that this
behavior continues beyond the conventional limit of unity
electrical-to-optical power conversion efficiency.
It
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Pay attention at this:
Experiments directly confirm for the first time that this behavior
continues beyond the conventional limit of unity electrical-to-optical power
conversion efficiency.
It is above the
I don't think it is a matter of protecting position because of crazy
claims. What they did was not unusual in the sense that there is no surplus
of energy, but more efficiency then expected.
2012/2/28 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
From: Daniel Rocha
Pay attention at this:
Why do you think it would violate the 2nd law? I don't understand.
2012/2/28 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
wrote:
Pay attention at this:
Experiments directly confirm for the first time that this behavior
Joseph Yater did substantial work in the diode conversion arena.
See: http://www.rexresearch.com/yater/yater.htm
See also what I believe was his last Patent: US 5,889,287
Unfortunately, he was unable to raise sufficient funds to commercialize his
work and has passed on.
I believe his
According to the second law you can only get a system to do work if
parts of the system are at different temperatures. In this situation
the system is a diode and it does work by converting heat into light.
It is hard to tell from the description, but I am guessing the entire
diode is at an
The key wording is here:
A heated semiconductor light-emitting diode at low forward bias voltage
VkBT/q is shown to use electrical work
*to pump heat from the lattice to the photon field.*
It is converting *heat* energy to light. not electricity-to-light!!!
Thus, as they *lower* the
Does anyone know of anyone, Org, Co, etc, who is either interested-in
and/or willing to fund a working prototype of the 'one' 'only' propulsion
system that is enabling extremely Advanced Civilizations to not only travel
interstellar space w/o trouble or fail, but live among the stars (and our
The diode is working as a cooler.
2012/2/28 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
According to the second law you can only get a system to do work if
parts of the system are at different temperatures. In this situation
the system is a diode and it does work by converting heat into light.
It is
Some months ago I speculated that LENR might one day be used as a heat
source to generate light directly using a thermophotovoltaic effect.
This work suggests it might be feasible. I even mentioned it to Rossi,
on his blog but he just saw it as a means to generate electricty from
the light
What about heat -electricity - light?
2012/2/28 Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
The key wording is here:
** **
A heated semiconductor light-emitting diode at low forward bias voltage
VkBT/q is shown to use electrical work
**to pump heat from the lattice to the
On the CoE balance sheet - we have light emission, which can be converted
into watts equivalent.
If the electrical input were to be 60% of that value, and the rest is
assumed (correctly) to come from ambient heat, then there is no CoE
violation. This would be ultra high efficiency in the same
If it is a cooler, it appears to violate the first law.
If it is an energy converter, it appears to violate the second law.
I guess the question is: what is it?
Harry
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
The diode is working as a cooler.
2012/2/28
The paper says that it is working at a temperature of 135 C, which is
relatively elevated.
I agree that this does violate the second law, in that it is doing work
but there is not a heat source and sink. However, as my son, who knows
more about physics than I do says, the second law is not
That's right. The 2nd law is not valid for very simple systems or open
systems, which is the case above.
2012/2/28 Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk
The paper says that it is working at a temperature of 135 C, which is
relatively elevated.
I agree that this does violate the second law, in that
-Original Message-
From: Mark Goldes
Joseph Yater did substantial work in the diode conversion arena.
See: http://www.rexresearch.com/yater/yater.htm
See also what I believe was his last Patent: US 5,889,287
Unfortunately, he was unable to raise sufficient funds to commercialize his
Jones,
Yater produced Proof of Concept devices.
As far as I am aware, he felt that practical systems were only limited by the
lack of finance for such controversial work.
Mark
Mark Goldes
Co-founder, Chava Energy
CEO, Aesop Institute
301A North Main Street
Sebastopol, CA 95472
I think that systems have always radiated heat energy by the blackbody method.
That is one way for a diode to act as a cooler, but this only works if the
radiated energy is directed toward a cooler region of space.
In one way of looking at it: All of the electrical energy dissipated by an
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
[why should undisturbed matter? Does making a connection to ZPE require
some kind of local stability?]
Jones,
Maybe this is somehow related to the Aspden Effect?
http://www.haroldaspden.com/
T
This is worth repeating from years ago:
http://www.haroldaspden.com/lectures/30.htm
T
Terry - Not sure I follow. Are you saying that virtual inertia comes from
being undisturbed for a time? Please elaborate.
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
[why should undisturbed matter? Does making a connection to ZPE require
some kind of local stability?]
Jones,
Maybe this
I've copied this from ecat news.
A very interesting Comment on the e-catworld.com Blog from a user called
“Fluffy”.
It’s about the secret element used in rossi’s e-cat (and maybe in defkalions
hyperion).
He thought it’s Tungsten (Wolfram) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tungsten
“Rossi’s
I did not realize Harold died. He was a great man. I do not know if he was
right about the far-out stuff, but he had wonderful ideas and he expressed
them well. He had many conventional accomplishments and a
distinguished career. I never met him but I have heard he was a nice fellow.
I am glad
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Terry - Not sure I follow. Are you saying that virtual inertia comes from
being undisturbed for a time? Please elaborate.
I was thinking of an inverse of the Aspden Effect, ie if the aether is
left undisturbed for some
Interesting thought but checkout the spectrum for Ni -
http://www.xrfresearch.com/component/content/article/71-periodic-table/160-xrf-spectrum-nickel.html
Colin
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Mark Goldes mgol...@chavaenergy.comwrote:
I've copied this from ecat news.
A very interesting
The test was supposed to start on Friday 24 February, but according to
sources of Ny Teknik it was initiated only after the weekend. The sources
also said that the test was not focused on power or energy measurements but
rather on safety.
*The E-cat was apparently* operated without refilling from a hydrogen
canister. Instead the hydrogen was supposedly stored in a piece of solid
material – possibly in a metal hydride. The material contained a few grams
of hydrogen gas which would last for six months of operation, according to
What I found most amazing, was all of the Rossi info:
On February 20, 2012 Rossi performed a demonstration to show the actual level
of development. Among the participants was chemist Roland Pettersson, retired
Associate Professor from the University of Uppsala, who also attended a test of
My first statement is only correct if the putative cooler is an active
cooling system. By that I mean it is behaving like the diode
equivalent of a heat pump. A heat pump requires an external input of
energy that is equal to or greater than the heat transferred out of
the system. In this system
Defkalion failed to make it clear on their forum that the government
representatives have so far only evaluated the Hyperion's safety.
Surely, they realize that most people interpreted their vague
annoncement of positive results as positive measures of energy
gain. Why do we have to learn through
PDF was too large, so go get U.S. Patent No. 0119825, McFarland.
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:29 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT
Terry - Not sure I follow. Are you saying that virtual
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