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Rossi confirm the contact but present a different version http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580cpage=9#comment-197583 so either it is as he says, with some misunderstanding. or the Wright is a fake partner of rossi. I have a tendency not to believe Rossi is a total scam, just a loose businessman and loose engineer, but claimed behavior of the regulator is ... weak. maybe are the consensus believers so sure CF is false that they don't care to regulate it. 2012/3/11 Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com krivits is only relayin the unsourced data that orbit around... hoak or not ? the claimed answer of Rossi is clear false, but is seems that anyway few times he pretend such false things, like no radioactivity, no nuclear reaction... while weaker assertion could be perfect (no radioactivit much higher than background, no nuclear waste after some short time)... I've always been surprised how much rossi could be loose with claims, science, numbers, units... shameful for an engineer. 2012/3/11 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com This is surrealistic even by Rossi's standards. I believe Krivit is wrong about thing. I do not think the Rossi ever claimed there is a nuclear reaction in his device. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Requesting recommendations on Web Authoring tools animation generation packages
Guys, can you please move any further discussion about web-tools to vortex-B??? -Mark From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:35 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Requesting recommendations on Web Authoring tools animation generation packages Jed, I downloaded XAMPP and eventually unzipped the contents onto a thumb drive. I think running XAMPP on a thumb drive will make it possible to run my own portable test server wherever I go. I haven't run my own web server since the 1990s. I'm sure a lot of things have changed since then, particularly security issues. If I execute the xampp-control.exe control program and start up the apache server (and MYSQL) I noticed that this inserts an XAMPP server icon in my window's system tray. Ok, standard operation procedure. ;-) I can access http://localhost and see that XAMPP is running. Success! Ok, so far, so good. However, if I attempt to shut down the XAMPP server it seems shut down my entire household network. In no time my wife lets me know that she can't access her favorite web site where she has been posting messages... and what the hell have I done to the network this time! So far the only way I can get the household network up and running again (that is, after I attempt to shut down the XAMPP service) is to restart both my modem and wireless Lynksys router. That seems to clear up the communication problem. I suspect (I hope) my current approach is fixing the problem with a sledge hammer. Are you aware of a less brutal way of shutting down the XAMPP server while leaving a home network unscathed? Just curious. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark
www.fusioncatalyst.org Andre On 03/11/2012 09:20 AM, Guenter Wildgruber wrote: hello guys, just an idea: Working together on an open source-LENR-device. There seems to be quite some knowledge here at vortex, and a couple of people seem to work in their backyard on their own devices. This is suboptimal. How about that: introduce some economy of scale: lets say ten devices, which need not be identical, but have a common base, e.g. nano-Nickel, a certain type of reaction chamber, hydrogen etc. the basic construction could be implemented via division of labour. one builds the basic reaction-chamber, the other procures the nano-Nickel, the third provides for some basic electronics, and so on. It does not make sense to procure nano-Nickel in every individual case. I'm thinking of about maybe ten devices, which share a common design, and can be freeley varied to optimize the effect. The overall concept seems to be straightforward enough, to make this a reasonable approach. It would have the consequence, that nobody can monopolize the technology via patents or secret sausages etc. Waiting for Godot in the form of Rossi or Defkalion otr Miles or McKubre is starting to go onto my nerves. What do You think? *Von:* Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com *An:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Gesendet:* 11:14 Sonntag, 11.März 2012 *Betreff:* Re: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark Awesome, Great minds think alike, eh? :-) Let us know how it goes. How are you driving your spark plug? I am planning a simple CDI Electronic Ignition Box for a CRRC-Pro 26cc engine: http://www.ebay.com/itm/130659127048
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Hello Jojo If you have not received my messages, please check your spam folder and add me to your whitelist. My mail adress seems to attract spam filters :( Marten 11.03.2012 06:55 skrev Jojo Jaro: I found this paragraph on Wiki. Rydberg atoms in plasmas Rydberg atoms form commonly in due to the recombination of electrons and positive ions; low energy recombination results in fairly stable Rydberg atoms, while recombination of electrons and positive ions with high often form Rydberg states. Rydberg atoms’ large sizes and susceptibility to perturbation and ionisation by electric and magnetic fields, are an important factor determining the properties of plasmas. Condensation of Rydberg atoms forms most often observed in form of long-lived clusters. The de-excitation is significantly impeded in Rydberg matter by exchange-correlation effects in the non-uniform electron liquid formed on condensation by the collective valence electrons, which causes extended lifetime of clusters. So it does seem hydrogen plasmas would easily recombine into Rydberg atoms. Does this mean sparks would be a good way to create Rydberg atoms? Oh, how I wished I had Axil's understanding right now.
[Vo]:Cold Fusion Now exclusive video interview with Andrea Rossi
Cold Fusion Now exclusive video interview with Andrea Rossi (recorded in Florida March 2, 2012) http://coldfusionnow.org/?p=15088 Harry
RE: [Vo]:Florida Investigates Rossi
Claud March 11th, 2012 at 3:21 PM Dear Andrea can you please give us your version of the Florida Bureau inspection referred on some site ? Thank you and good afternoon. C.R. Andrea Rossi March 11th, 2012 at 3:35 PM Dear Claud: There is not my version , there is only one version of the Florida Bureau inspection at Leonardo Corporation, as a matter of fact it is the version derived from the actual facts: We have been very glad to receive their visit and we have explained to them all we had to. We agreed with them that we will keep them informed of all our developments and also explained to them that we do not use radioactive materials and do not produce radioactive materials. The persons we talked with are very prepared and expert, they have been right and correct, and I have been honoured to deal with them. What we said beyond this is confidential and I have nothing to add at all. I give no information at all regarding our factory, as I always said, until our production will be officially announced. I can say, and I am delighted to say this, that the Officers of the Florida State I have been contacted from are glad that we are making jobs in Florida with a company that respects the Law. Of course they will have free access to us in our Florida site, also to verify that we do not use radioactive material and we do not produce radioactive material and, also , we agreed that we will not sell in the USA the domestic E-Cats before the due certification, that will certify that no radiations are emitted from the E-Cats outside the body of the E-Cats while they are working. Warm Regards, A.R. Tim
Re: [Vo]:Requesting recommendations on Web Authoring tools animation generation packages
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Ok, so far, so good. However, if I attempt to shut down the XAMPP server it seems shut down my entire household network. Why shut it down? It takes a while to load, but the Task Manager shows that it does not have any processor overhead. You can click on the Control Panel and Stop Apache and MySql . . . but they do not seem to stop. Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Guys, can you please move any further discussion about web-tools to vortex-B??? This is not political or disruptive. Granted, it is a little off topic. Please ignore this thread. - Jed
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I agree that more people should be working on some type of crowd-sourced building. A small lab to get started can be built for under $2000. Except for the hydrogen, everything can be purchased from the internet. (The hydrogen can be obtained through a local welding shop, although they should ask a number of safety questions that you should be prepared to answer.) I have extra 10 gram samples of nickel nano powder available to anyone with a reactor that can use it. For temperature logging, I'd recommend standardizing on the PICO USB TC-08. It is fairly priced, includes free software, and its what DGT uses. (Unless or until Bastian makes his BeagleBone system available!) I wasted too much time on labview and a custom app to record temps and times.. Keep it simple.. I also have some extra 1/2 NPT type-K thermocouples (stainless) that I'd sell at cost.. - Brad
Re: [Vo]:Requesting recommendations on Web Authoring tools animation generation packages
Hi Jed, and Mark, I should have prefaced the original subject line with OT Off Topic. I think that would have resolved the issue - except perhaps for a few Vort purists. ;-). My apologies for not having doing so in the first place. Again, I want to thank several Vorts for the plethora of advice and insight I received from them. It was not my intention to unduly distract the collective from several energy topics currently under discussion, such as what are Rossi's Defkalion's energy catalyzers made up of... and do those mythical reactors really work??? Neither was it my intention to unduly distract us from on-going Rossi Watching, or perhaps watching Krivit as Krivit watches Rossi, etc... I nevertheless took advantage of the situation when Jed announced the fact that he was focusing on using WORD PRESS templates to completely revamp his lenr-canr.org web site. I have found myself in need of doing a complete overhaul of my own web site. It seemed an opportune time to ask Jed a few probing questions about what it was like working with WORD PRESS. I learned a few things. I'm still very much an XAMPP/WORD PRESS newbie. Nevertheless, I have successfully installed the XAMPP on a Jump Stick. I defined a WORD PRESS database using MySQL on the local server. I also got WORD PRESS installed. I essentially have a local server where I can do all my WORD PRESS editing off-line. (Of course, eventually I'll have to upload it all to my web site, but all in due course!) All of these accomplishments are important landmarks, particularly since my goal is to work with simple formatting templates, and to do as little direct HTML coding as possible from now on. ;-) If I'm lucky I might have something worth publishing by fall. No promises. One of several topics I hope to publish will focus on algorithms I used to simulate the laws of Celestial Mechanics along with what appear to be certain relationships with chaos theory. Some of my research resulted in unexpected surprises. I hope to use plenty of graphics too. It's possible a few might find some of the work interesting, possibly even thought provoking at times. But who knows. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark
2011 Vague Recollections - possibly re: Chan - or Phen - or the person from HI whose leg was ripped open by H explosion while attempting cold fusion. 1. Chan powder in oil mixed with Diesel fed to engine caused runaway power. Tractor, I believe. 2. Santilli developed spark induced cold fusion years ago. 3. Monks in Brazil worked with arcs to create excess energy something to do with Broglie ? 4. Phen used powder and someone else tried it and blew a deep hole in the ground. 5. Some one put powder into lead bullet drilled cavity and blew a log to splinters. 6. Celine's duplicates Rossi. Vortex Plan: I love it when a plan comes together. That was an entertaining series but this is an exciting adventure. Sparks, RFG, heat, concussion, bubble, laser, pulses, Many ways to skin an Ecat. Reality Jojo Jaro wrote: Hey gang, another problem to mull over. (Snip)
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I got the pictures at a junk store. I am writing in MS word then down loading to html. I have downloaded the viewer from Amazon that presents the work as it will be seen as a final product. Building an automotive cell phone adapted is coming together. If it goes well Antigravity II will follow Frank Z Sent from my Kindle Fire
Re: [Vo]:Florida Investigates Rossi
0.511 MeV photons are not dangerous. I use them to heat my pasta for lunch. A.R.
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Thanks Brad, Andre, Jojo. I dont know how many here have concrete intentions to build a LENR- device themselves. Let me say a couple of words -as simple as possible- about a device based on Ni-H: 1st) Nano-Nickel seems to be essential, and there seems to be some optimal particle size- 10-100nm. I tend to the lower sizes 2) The particles have to be handled such that they are not oxidized 3) the reaction itself takes place, when H, or some variant diffuses into the lattice in sufficient amount 4) A startup-temperature is needed, in the range of 300 to 500 deg C 5) an additional excitation is needed, maybe a spark (I doubt that) or other forms of excitation (RF), or a catalyst (I doubt that) 6) the excess heat has to be harvested in such a manner, that no Ni-melting occurs. On the other hand the reactive volume is so small, that it is quite difficult to remove the excess heat from a small volume, say a couple of cm3.Think of a processor, who produces some 100-200W on a surface of several cm2. 7) one should separate proof of concept from an optimized device with COP 6 and such. 8) energy-production and harvesting should be as evenly distributed as possible in the active volume. Which is hard, even in a proof-of-concept device. I conclude from that, that something like a spark finds its way of lowest resistance, and produces so much heat, that particles bake together, and stop the reaction. Think of a lightning. In addition to that, the spark is a positive-feedback and would further on enhance this path, stopping the reaction in short time. This is important to recognize. Contrast this with controlled RF -whatever optimal frequency- where a volume is involved, and not a path. On the other hand: there seems to be no reliable indication that anybody used RF or sparks in addition to heat. This is an open question. Comments welcome. So my basic first idea would be implementing a) effective influx of H2 in a Nano-Powder Ni-chamber b) constructing it such, that the VOLUME can be effectively heated for startup. c) that any excess heat can effectively be removed from a small volume (very difficult!) d) that some some additional excitation can be applied (RF: maybe; sparks: doubtful; catalysts, doubtful) This as a starter. Von: ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 19:21 Montag, 12.März 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark I agree that more people should be working on some type of crowd-sourced building - Brad
Re: [Vo]:Florida Investigates Rossi
From Terry: 0.511 MeV photons are not dangerous. I use them to heat my pasta for lunch. Meaning, you nuke your lunch in a microwave oven? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Reality, assuming that Chan is a real person, which is part of the riddle, but anyway. He seemed to think big . Too big in the first place. Maybe this cost him something. Who knows. WRT to reliability of information, Chan is an order of magnitude below Rossi. If a (LENR) reaction theoretically produces 10million times the power of the most powerful chemical reaction, one has to scale down. It seems to be logical to me, that Rossi or Defkalion compartmentalize the reaction into 10kW to max 50kW units. this is an indirect proof that they are not complete idiots or frauds. Also Defkalions compartmentalization of their reactors seems to hint into the same direction. If one starts such a project, one should be well-advised to consider, a 1W chemical device has an equivalent power-density of a 10MW LENR-device! A 1uW chemical device, or the snip of Your eyelid every couple of seconds would scale up to a 10W LENR, which could power (thermal equivalent) a typical tablet-computer. Just to get the idea. Message: be careful. Guenter Von: integral.property.serv...@gmail.com integral.property.serv...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 21:09 Montag, 12.März 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark 2011 Vague Recollections - possibly re: Chan - or Phen - or the person from HI whose leg was ripped open by H explosion while attempting cold fusion. 1. Chan powder in oil mixed with Diesel fed to engine caused runaway power. Tractor, I believe. 2. Santilli developed spark induced cold fusion years ago. 3. Monks in Brazil worked with arcs to create excess energy something to do with Broglie ? 4. Phen used powder and someone else tried it and blew a deep hole in the ground. 5. Some one put powder into lead bullet drilled cavity and blew a log to splinters. 6. Celine's duplicates Rossi. Vortex Plan: I love it when a plan comes together. That was an entertaining series but this is an exciting adventure. Sparks, RFG, heat, concussion, bubble, laser, pulses, Many ways to skin an Ecat.
Re: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark
And a copy of the paper can be found here : http://www.fusioncatalyst.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/A-study-of-a-sparkdischarge-in-hydrogen-at-atmospheric-pressure.pdf On Mar 12, 2012 5:11 AM, Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl wrote: www.fusioncatalyst.org Andre On 03/11/2012 09:20 AM, Guenter Wildgruber wrote: hello guys, just an idea: Working together on an open source-LENR-device. There seems to be quite some knowledge here at vortex, and a couple of people seem to work in their backyard on their own devices. This is suboptimal. How about that: introduce some economy of scale: lets say ten devices, which need not be identical, but have a common base, e.g. nano-Nickel, a certain type of reaction chamber, hydrogen etc. the basic construction could be implemented via division of labour. one builds the basic reaction-chamber, the other procures the nano-Nickel, the third provides for some basic electronics, and so on. It does not make sense to procure nano-Nickel in every individual case. I'm thinking of about maybe ten devices, which share a common design, and can be freeley varied to optimize the effect. The overall concept seems to be straightforward enough, to make this a reasonable approach. It would have the consequence, that nobody can monopolize the technology via patents or secret sausages etc. Waiting for Godot in the form of Rossi or Defkalion otr Miles or McKubre is starting to go onto my nerves. What do You think? -- *Von:* Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com jth...@hotmail.com *An:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Gesendet:* 11:14 Sonntag, 11.März 2012 *Betreff:* Re: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark Awesome, Great minds think alike, eh? :-) Let us know how it goes. How are you driving your spark plug? I am planning a simple CDI Electronic Ignition Box for a CRRC-Pro 26cc engine: http://www.ebay.com/itm/130659127048
RE: [Vo]:Florida Investigates Rossi
-Original Message- Steven Vincent Johnson AR sez: 0.511 MeV photons are not dangerous. I use them to heat my pasta for lunch. Meaning, you nuke your lunch in a microwave oven? More like... meaning Andrea got what he paid for with his Mail Order PhD from Kensington. Let's see, the photon energy of a microwave oven (frequency = 2.45 GHz) is something like 1/10,000 of an eV ... so compared to positron annihilation at 511,000 eV, the genius Rossi is off by quite a few orders of magnitude. Can you imagine what this kind of ignorance of photon spectra implies for E-Cat ? BTW - was he having positroni for lunch?
Re: [Vo]:Florida Investigates Rossi
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: BTW - was he having positroni for lunch? :-) You know he didn't actually say that. It was my joke. T
Re: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark
Thx Bastiaan, I take a look at that tomorrow. My preliminary take a gainst spark-induced reactions is poor COP, because sparks take a very narrow through the reactant, like a lightning through the atmosphere. Other extreme: Northern lights, which produce low-energy plasma in a big atmospheric volume. This is anecdotal, I agree. Maybe we should make up a thread like 'open source LENR', and collect relevant information there. As a sidenote: My job is generating socalled cold plasmas in a volume of ca 1dm3 via RF at low pressure. Quite different, but there is some similarity in thinking. As an electronics engineer I have no job to loose, when pursuing such an exotic matter. This is quite different from my Phd physics-colleagues, who would risk their career when doing so. I do not even give them a link to vortex, because doing so would put them near a -ahem- nutcase, who even considers that as a possibility. Such is physics today. To my experience Indian, Chinese, Russian, Japanese scientists are much more open to that than the holy grail of sclerotic science in the West. Wo'nt talk about that anymore, and hope it goes under in everpresent chatter-noise. best regards, Guenter. -- Von: Bastiaan Bergman bastiaan.berg...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 21:54 Montag, 12.März 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark And a copy of the paper can be found here : http://www.fusioncatalyst.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/A-study-of-a-sparkdischarge-in-hydrogen-at-atmospheric-pressure.pdf On Mar 12, 2012 5:11 AM, Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl wrote: www.fusioncatalyst.org Andre On 03/11/2012 09:20 AM, Guenter Wildgruber wrote: hello guys,
Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion Now exclusive video interview with Andrea Rossi
Informative interview. Thanks. On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Cold Fusion Now exclusive video interview with Andrea Rossi (recorded in Florida March 2, 2012) http://coldfusionnow.org/?p=15088 Harry
Re: [Vo]:Florida Investigates Rossi
Rather good joke, indeed. However, I think that Rossi uses 50 keV gammarayoven for cooking pasta. It has better thermal coefficiency, because it is more likely that 50 keV gammas are absorbed by the stainless steel pasta pot. 511 keVs are just zooming through the pot without absorbtion. ―Jouni On 12 Mar 2012, at 23:29, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: BTW - was he having positroni for lunch? :-) You know he didn't actually say that. It was my joke. T
Re: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark
Thanks Bastiaan, very informative and timely link. This was just what I was looking for. 0.3 J per spark, means that at 300 hz, I am providing 90W of equivalent resistive heating to the reactor. I believe this should be enough to heat the reator to the necessary temperature to initiate the LENR effect. Guenter, the idea of an open source LENR project is worthwhile. I have shared my design and will continue to share it in the hopes that it will spur greater cooperation. My designs alway use off the shelf parts and pipe fittings you can get from McMaster, Lowe's or Ebay, so they are low cost. My entire setup including the vaccuum pump, the Data logging and all (except supplies) is under $350. My reactor design is disposable, and cost at the most $50 if using the best stainless steel fittings. I do not believe there will be any economies of scale to be had with my design cause they already use the cheapest parts. I think keeping it simple and low cost is one of the keys to successfully replicating Rossi. I wish Bill will consider converting this list into a forum format so that we can share attachments and other files. From: Bastiaan Bergman To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:54 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark And a copy of the paper can be found here : http://www.fusioncatalyst.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/A-study-of-a-sparkdischarge-in-hydrogen-at-atmospheric-pressure.pdf On Mar 12, 2012 5:11 AM, Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl wrote: www.fusioncatalyst.org Andre On 03/11/2012 09:20 AM, Guenter Wildgruber wrote: hello guys, just an idea: Working together on an open source-LENR-device. There seems to be quite some knowledge here at vortex, and a couple of people seem to work in their backyard on their own devices. This is suboptimal. How about that: introduce some economy of scale: lets say ten devices, which need not be identical, but have a common base, e.g. nano-Nickel, a certain type of reaction chamber, hydrogen etc. the basic construction could be implemented via division of labour. one builds the basic reaction-chamber, the other procures the nano-Nickel, the third provides for some basic electronics, and so on. It does not make sense to procure nano-Nickel in every individual case. I'm thinking of about maybe ten devices, which share a common design, and can be freeley varied to optimize the effect. The overall concept seems to be straightforward enough, to make this a reasonable approach. It would have the consequence, that nobody can monopolize the technology via patents or secret sausages etc. Waiting for Godot in the form of Rossi or Defkalion otr Miles or McKubre is starting to go onto my nerves. What do You think? -- Von: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 11:14 Sonntag, 11.März 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark Awesome, Great minds think alike, eh? :-) Let us know how it goes. How are you driving your spark plug? I am planning a simple CDI Electronic Ignition Box for a CRRC-Pro 26cc engine: http://www.ebay.com/itm/130659127048
Re: [Vo]:To Spark or Not to Spark
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: I wish Bill will consider converting this list into a forum format so that we can share attachments and other files. I created a forum at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/vortex-l-backup for times when the remailer server is down. You are welcome to dump files or images there. It's open to the public. T
Re: [Vo]:Florida Investigates Rossi
note that gamma could be used to sterilized. it does not cause contamination, but anyway the fear of atomic restrict it's use where perfect sterilizarion without heating is important, like for some sterile liquids and bottle (eye fluid...) it could be used to prevent potatoes to germ, but we rather use chemical to avoid atomic fear. 2012/3/13 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com Rather good joke, indeed. However, I think that Rossi uses 50 keV gammarayoven for cooking pasta. It has better thermal coefficiency, because it is more likely that 50 keV gammas are absorbed by the stainless steel pasta pot. 511 keVs are just zooming through the pot without absorbtion. --Jouni On 12 Mar 2012, at 23:29, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: BTW - was he having positroni for lunch? :-) You know he didn't actually say that. It was my joke. T
