[Vo]:the desktop supernova
*From the PieEconomics web site as follows:* ** *2/22/12: A new NanoSprire **press release*http://www.nanotech-now.com/news.cgi?story_id=44551 * states: Nanospire has announced that its investigative study on fusion created by cavitation in water has come to an end. It's good that they have stopped testing for now. During the nuclear fusion reaction that occurred when they did their test, Hundreds of wave trains and vortices appeared everywhere and are permanently burned into walls, objects and trees surrounding the lab. [See Krivit's second link, above.] Well, according to Google maps (25 Jesse Daniel DR, Buxton, ME) the Buxton Vehicle Registration is located about five hundred feet from the lab, so I hope none of the people getting their cars registered got irradiated when the desktop supernova occurred.*
Re: [Vo]:the desktop supernova
Odd, when you click on the February press releases, you get March: http://www.nanotech-now.com/2012-february-press.htm although the January link gives January. T
Re: [Vo]:the desktop supernova
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:28 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: *From the PieEconomics web site as follows:* ** *2/22/12: A new NanoSprire **press release*http://www.nanotech-now.com/news.cgi?story_id=44551 * states: Nanospire has announced that its investigative study on fusion created by cavitation in water has come to an end. It's good that they have stopped testing for now. During the nuclear fusion reaction that occurred when they did their test, Hundreds of wave trains and vortices appeared everywhere and are permanently burned into walls, objects and trees surrounding the lab. [See Krivit's second link, above.] Well, according to Google maps (25 Jesse Daniel DR, Buxton, ME) the Buxton Vehicle Registration is located about five hundred feet from the lab, so I hope none of the people getting their cars registered got irradiated when the desktop supernova occurred.* This is BS. Here is the original blog post: http://pieeconomics.blogspot.com/p/cold-fusion-comedy.html The quote is at the bottom of the post. Here is the actual press release: http://www.1888pressrelease.com/nanospire-inc-successfully-harnesses-cavitation-zero-point-pr-372884.html Looks like Mr. Zweig has taken some liberties with the truth. T
Re: [Vo]:nanoparticles in LENR
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 5:57 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Interesting information Xavier. The high Q nature of the resonances suggests that the circulating plasmon currents may not be subject to significant resistive losses. Is it possible that these currents are flowing within a super conductive structure? I personally wouldn't call plasmonic resonances high Q, but I guess it depends on who you ask... they're many orders of magnitude less than a whispering gallery or fabry perot resonances. As for superconductivity, there's none of that going on. A plasmon is a quantized oscillation of free charge on the surface of a metal. This works the same way as signals in any electronic circuit: the electrons themselves aren't moving (except for a very slow drift velocity), but they transfer EMF at (nearly) the speed of light. I should also say that plasmons are polaritions in that they are coupled with the photon that creates them. I'm not so familiar with spheres themselves, but I know that on, for example, a flat silver film the 1/e lifetime of a plasmon is something like 100um, at which point it will either decay back into a photon or be absorbed as heat (resistive losses). I would expect large spheres of these types of material to be subject to standard resistive losses that would broaden any resonance that appears due to size and shape. Are you aware of any transition effects that occur as the size of the particle is reduced? Yes... argh but I can't remember. A couple of weeks ago I attended a lecture about gold nanoparticles and I remember something significant happening around 80nm, but I can't say more. Basically since the plasmon is confined to the 2D surface of the sphere there are certain eigenmodes which can be excited. But at this point I don't think you can think of their behavior in the context of standard resistive losses. If you look up pictures of metal nanoparticles in suspension you can see that their size gives you different colors. An example would be the appearance of highly sharpened spectral line resonances which shows up as the size of the nanoparticle is significantly reduced. An effect like this would imply that the atoms within the nano sized structure are acting in a manner somewhat as a high temperature condensate. Plasmons are oscillations of *free* electrons, which aren't bound to the atom. So no condensate here. Actually, for a condensate you need neutral atoms like Rubidium or Cesium. Can anyone compare the line resonances seen in the nanoparticles to the line resonances associated with atomic responses? I am particularly curious about the bandwidth of the resonances about their center frequencies. Just throwing out numbers here... your run of the mill HeNe has a linewidth in the GHz, and that's assocated with an atomic transition. That's pretty big, but you can buy single mode atomic CW sources that are in the neighborhood of kHz. This is much sharper than nanoparticles, which I think are all in the tens of THz Also, it would be interesting to see if the individual nano scale plasmon resonances would magnetically couple and thus share energy. I've seen this with nanorod arrays, where plasmon resonance couple to each other, but I'm pretty sure it's not magnetic coupling (plasmons are TM waves). In the same line of thought, would this form of coupling tend to smooth out what would otherwise be very precise energy levels? I think you still get very sharp linewidths, even with coupling. Dave -Original Message- From: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com To: VORTEX vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Mar 22, 2012 6:34 am Subject: [Vo]:nanoparticles in LENR Quantum Plasmons Demonstrated in Atomic-Scale Nanoparticles http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120321143017.htm This can be important for LENR Peter PS I cannot solve my Chrome kills hyperlinks problem- very bad for my blog, I can only by-pass it by using Internet Explorer Do you have some experience with it? -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:the desktop supernova
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like Mr. Zweig has taken some liberties with the truth. My apologies to Mr. Zweig. I misread his blog statement. The claims of tree damage come from a letter sent to Krivit: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/01/31/new-energy-times-issue-36-letters/ by LeClair (half way down). If true (I would love to see photographs), Mr. Zweig is right to be concerned about the health of the public in nearby public facilities. T
[Vo]:I Will Get Puppets, Snakes (and Clowns)
Be afraid: Andrea Rossi March 27th, 2012 at 8:13 AMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=608cpage=2#comment-206515 Dear Antonella: We know perfectly who some puppeteers are: our intelligence system is working together with the Law Firm we have engaged for this issue. We are collecting and analyzing every single phrase the Puppets, Snakes (and Clowns) are publishing in paper press and in Internet. We prefer not to sue puppets and puppeteers ( and Clowns) so far because we will be stronger when our working plants will be public: at that point we will give to the Court all the necessary evidence to win both on criminal and in civilistic fields this battle. For now we are just preparing all the necessary publications, comments, evidence, documents, addresses, etc, etc. I start the battles when I am sure to win. So far they had the sensation that our Group can be libelled for free: it is not so. All the proceeds that we will earn from these trials will be donated to families we have already selected that need money to cure the cancer of their children. If you are interested to this issue or have information for us, please contact i...@leonardocorp1996.com Thank you for your kind attention, Warm Regards, A.R. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=608#comments end
RE: [Vo]:the desktop supernova
This is the very interesting quote by LeClair. The experiment gave off powerful crested cnoid de Broglie Matter wave soliton wave packages that were doubly periodic and followed the Jacobi Elliptic functions exactly, mostly in the form of large doubly-periodic vortices. Hundreds of wave trains and vortices appeared everywhere and are permanently burned into walls, objects and trees surrounding the lab. -Mark LeClair, Nanospire I don't know. crested cnoid de Broglie Matter wave soliton wave packages. too many hi-falutin' words all in one sentence! What are LeClair's credentials? From his own statement, he worked at the. Lockheed Missiles and Space Fluid Dynamics Group, I'm not afraid to say that my knowledge of physics and mathematics rivals anyone else in the field. Given that he's probably a pretty sharp cookie, his statement about the wave trains and vortices being permanently burned into walls, objects and trees surrounding the lab is really quite astounding. I'd like to see some piccys of the walls, objects and trees. Interesting legal conundrum. If he gets sued for causing health problems to people living or working nearby, or even property damage to neighboring buildings, and government or expert witness physicists testify that he couldn't possibly be causing any nuclear reactions, then how does one connect his activities with the claimed negative health affects and property damage? -Mark From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:30 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:the desktop supernova On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like Mr. Zweig has taken some liberties with the truth. My apologies to Mr. Zweig. I misread his blog statement. The claims of tree damage come from a letter sent to Krivit: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/01/31/new-energy-times-issue-36-letters/ by LeClair (half way down). If true (I would love to see photographs), Mr. Zweig is right to be concerned about the health of the public in nearby public facilities. T
Re: [Vo]:nanoparticles in LENR
I appreciate the interesting responses to my questions Xavier. From the information you supplied I draw a conclusion that there is nothing spectacular occurring with the nano particles. Their behavior appears to more or less mimic that of spheres of conductive material that have merely been shrunken in size so that they interact with visible and near visible wavelength radiation. I do find the delayed decay(100 u sec?) into photons or heat interesting at visible wavelengths. And please post further information about the 80 nm transition if you happen to recall later what transpired. Dave -Original Message- From: Xavier Luminous xavier.lumin...@googlemail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Mar 27, 2012 8:46 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:nanoparticles in LENR On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 5:57 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Interesting information Xavier. The high Q nature of the resonances suggests that the circulating plasmon currents may not be subject to significant resistive losses. Is it possible that these currents are flowing within a super conductive structure? I personally wouldn't call plasmonic resonances high Q, but I guess t depends on who you ask... they're many orders of magnitude less han a whispering gallery or fabry perot resonances. As for superconductivity, there's none of that going on. A plasmon is quantized oscillation of free charge on the surface of a metal. This orks the same way as signals in any electronic circuit: the electrons hemselves aren't moving (except for a very slow drift velocity), but hey transfer EMF at (nearly) the speed of light. I should also say hat plasmons are polaritions in that they are coupled with the photon hat creates them. I'm not so familiar with spheres themselves, but I now that on, for example, a flat silver film the 1/e lifetime of a lasmon is something like 100um, at which point it will either decay ack into a photon or be absorbed as heat (resistive losses). I would expect large spheres of these types of material to be subject to standard resistive losses that would broaden any resonance that appears due to size and shape. Are you aware of any transition effects that occur as the size of the particle is reduced? Yes... argh but I can't remember. A couple of weeks ago I attended a ecture about gold nanoparticles and I remember something significant appening around 80nm, but I can't say more. Basically since the lasmon is confined to the 2D surface of the sphere there are certain igenmodes which can be excited. But at this point I don't think you an think of their behavior in the context of standard resistive osses. If you look up pictures of metal nanoparticles in suspension ou can see that their size gives you different colors. An example would be the appearance of highly sharpened spectral line resonances which shows up as the size of the nanoparticle is significantly reduced. An effect like this would imply that the atoms within the nano sized structure are acting in a manner somewhat as a high temperature condensate. Plasmons are oscillations of *free* electrons, which aren't bound to he atom. So no condensate here. Actually, for a condensate you need eutral atoms like Rubidium or Cesium. Can anyone compare the line resonances seen in the nanoparticles to the line resonances associated with atomic responses? I am particularly curious about the bandwidth of the resonances about their center frequencies. Just throwing out numbers here... your run of the mill HeNe has a inewidth in the GHz, and that's assocated with an atomic transition. hat's pretty big, but you can buy single mode atomic CW sources that re in the neighborhood of kHz. This is much sharper than anoparticles, which I think are all in the tens of THz Also, it would be interesting to see if the individual nano scale plasmon resonances would magnetically couple and thus share energy. I've seen this with nanorod arrays, where plasmon resonance couple to each other, but I'm pretty sure it's not magnetic coupling (plasmons are TM waves). In the same line of thought, would this form of coupling tend to smooth out what would otherwise be very precise energy levels? I think you still get very sharp linewidths, even with coupling. Dave -Original Message- From: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com To: VORTEX vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Mar 22, 2012 6:34 am Subject: [Vo]:nanoparticles in LENR Quantum Plasmons Demonstrated in Atomic-Scale Nanoparticles http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120321143017.htm This can be important for LENR Peter PS I cannot solve my Chrome kills hyperlinks problem- very bad for my blog, I can only by-pass it by using Internet Explorer Do you have some experience with it? -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:the desktop supernova
I would not want to be anywhere within a mile of that monster device. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Mar 27, 2012 10:29 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:the desktop supernova On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like Mr. Zweig has taken some liberties with the truth. My apologies to Mr. Zweig. I misread his blog statement. The claims of tree damage come from a letter sent to Krivit: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/01/31/new-energy-times-issue-36-letters/ by LeClair (half way down). If true (I would love to see photographs), Mr. Zweig is right to be concerned about the health of the public in nearby public facilities. T
Re: [Vo]:I Will Get Puppets, Snakes (and Clowns)
Recently from: Andrea Rossi March 27th, 2012 at 8:13 AM Dear Antonella: We know perfectly who some puppeteers are: our intelligence system is working together with the Law Firm we have engaged for this issue. We are collecting and analyzing every single phrase the Puppets, Snakes (and Clowns) are publishing in paper press and in Internet. We prefer not to sue puppets and puppeteers ( and Clowns) so far because we will be stronger when our working plants will be public: at that point we will give to the Court all the necessary evidence to win both on criminal and in civilistic fields this battle. For now we are just preparing all the necessary publications, comments, evidence, documents, addresses, etc, etc. I start the battles when I am sure to win. So far they had the sensation that our Group can be libelled for free: it is not so. All the proceeds that we will earn from these trials will be donated to families we have already selected that need money to cure the cancer of their children. If you are interested to this issue or have information for us, please contact i...@leonardocorp1996.com Thank you for your kind attention, Warm Regards, A.R. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=608#comments end Oh for heaven's sake. What's the big friggin mystery! I would assume that one of these alleged snakes puppeteers Rossi is indirectly referring to is no one other than... SURPRISE!!! Mr. Krivit's NET publication. Even if Rossi (as we all hope) eventually follows through and produces a commercial eCat product, and in the process validates his controversial technology, what kind of monetary damages can he possibly expect to extract from NET. It's not like NET is swimming in money. Maybe Rossi hopes he can do something like shut down NET - just for spite. Perhaps he can, but who knows. Does Ross seriously believe he can extract money from NET, or from Krivt? NET, which is a non-profit entity, would turn around and do something like file bankruptcy. Actually, IMO, all NET would have to do is say mea-culpa ... We was wrong! We is now sorry for all dat we sed in the past about Rossi! Case closed. Neither do I suspect that Mr. Krivit is swimming in money. Krivit always struck me as living a frugal life style. All this Rossi-speak about donating anticipated damage settlements to needy cancer victims might make great copy, but it's nothing more than a bunch of hot air. All Rossi Co. has to do is produce a viable commercial ecat product. That's ALL he has to do to garner the vindication he seems to crave. Once eCats are being sold in some form, shape, or manner out in the public all objections insinuated by NET and similar organizations would immediately be neutered. OTOH, actively going after organizations like NET would hardly worth it. Not now, not ever. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:I Will Get Puppets, Snakes (and Clowns)
When I read it, I initially thought he meant Defkalion. But now that you mention it, he usually refers to Krivit when taking puppets. The Clowns he mentions between parentheses must be Defkalion. Like many here, Rossi assumes (or knows) Krivit is actually controlled by some group or people / institution / organization, called his puppeteers. It must me them, then, that he wants to target eventually. Andre On 03/27/2012 11:42 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Recently from: Andrea Rossi March 27th, 2012 at 8:13 AM Dear Antonella: We know perfectly who some puppeteers are: our intelligence system is working together with the Law Firm we have engaged for this issue. We are collecting and analyzing every single phrase the Puppets, Snakes (and Clowns) are publishing in paper press and in Internet. We prefer not to sue puppets and puppeteers ( and Clowns) so far because we will be stronger when our working plants will be public: at that point we will give to the Court all the necessary evidence to win both on criminal and in civilistic fields this battle. For now we are just preparing all the necessary publications, comments, evidence, documents, addresses, etc, etc. I start the battles when I am sure to win. So far they had the sensation that our Group can be libelled for free: it is not so. All the proceeds that we will earn from these trials will be donated to families we have already selected that need money to cure the cancer of their children. If you are interested to this issue or have information for us, please contact i...@leonardocorp1996.com Thank you for your kind attention, Warm Regards, A.R. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=608#comments end Oh for heaven's sake. What's the big friggin mystery! I would assume that one of these alleged snakes puppeteers Rossi is indirectly referring to is no one other than... SURPRISE!!! Mr. Krivit's NET publication. Even if Rossi (as we all hope) eventually follows through and produces a commercial eCat product, and in the process validates his controversial technology, what kind of monetary damages can he possibly expect to extract from NET. It's not like NET is swimming in money. Maybe Rossi hopes he can do something like shut down NET - just for spite. Perhaps he can, but who knows. Does Ross seriously believe he can extract money from NET, or from Krivt? NET, which is a non-profit entity, would turn around and do something like file bankruptcy. Actually, IMO, all NET would have to do is say mea-culpa ... We was wrong! We is now sorry for all dat we sed in the past about Rossi! Case closed. Neither do I suspect that Mr. Krivit is swimming in money. Krivit always struck me as living a frugal life style. All this Rossi-speak about donating anticipated damage settlements to needy cancer victims might make great copy, but it's nothing more than a bunch of hot air. All Rossi Co. has to do is produce a viable commercial ecat product. That's ALL he has to do to garner the vindication he seems to crave. Once eCats are being sold in some form, shape, or manner out in the public all objections insinuated by NET and similar organizations would immediately be neutered. OTOH, actively going after organizations like NET would hardly worth it. Not now, not ever. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:I Will Get Puppets, Snakes (and Clowns)
Actually, Krivit is a snake darn, I get confused. who are the puppets? and who could be the puppeteers? On 03/27/2012 11:56 AM, Andre Blum wrote: When I read it, I initially thought he meant Defkalion. But now that you mention it, he usually refers to Krivit when taking puppets. The Clowns he mentions between parentheses must be Defkalion. Like many here, Rossi assumes (or knows) Krivit is actually controlled by some group or people / institution / organization, called his puppeteers. It must me them, then, that he wants to target eventually. Andre On 03/27/2012 11:42 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Recently from: Andrea Rossi March 27th, 2012 at 8:13 AM Dear Antonella: We know perfectly who some puppeteers are: our intelligence system is working together with the Law Firm we have engaged for this issue. We are collecting and analyzing every single phrase the Puppets, Snakes (and Clowns) are publishing in paper press and in Internet. We prefer not to sue puppets and puppeteers ( and Clowns) so far because we will be stronger when our working plants will be public: at that point we will give to the Court all the necessary evidence to win both on criminal and in civilistic fields this battle. For now we are just preparing all the necessary publications, comments, evidence, documents, addresses, etc, etc. I start the battles when I am sure to win. So far they had the sensation that our Group can be libelled for free: it is not so. All the proceeds that we will earn from these trials will be donated to families we have already selected that need money to cure the cancer of their children. If you are interested to this issue or have information for us, please contact i...@leonardocorp1996.com Thank you for your kind attention, Warm Regards, A.R. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=608#comments end Oh for heaven's sake. What's the big friggin mystery! I would assume that one of these alleged snakes puppeteers Rossi is indirectly referring to is no one other than... SURPRISE!!! Mr. Krivit's NET publication. Even if Rossi (as we all hope) eventually follows through and produces a commercial eCat product, and in the process validates his controversial technology, what kind of monetary damages can he possibly expect to extract from NET. It's not like NET is swimming in money. Maybe Rossi hopes he can do something like shut down NET - just for spite. Perhaps he can, but who knows. Does Ross seriously believe he can extract money from NET, or from Krivt? NET, which is a non-profit entity, would turn around and do something like file bankruptcy. Actually, IMO, all NET would have to do is say mea-culpa ... We was wrong! We is now sorry for all dat we sed in the past about Rossi! Case closed. Neither do I suspect that Mr. Krivit is swimming in money. Krivit always struck me as living a frugal life style. All this Rossi-speak about donating anticipated damage settlements to needy cancer victims might make great copy, but it's nothing more than a bunch of hot air. All Rossi Co. has to do is produce a viable commercial ecat product. That's ALL he has to do to garner the vindication he seems to crave. Once eCats are being sold in some form, shape, or manner out in the public all objections insinuated by NET and similar organizations would immediately be neutered. OTOH, actively going after organizations like NET would hardly worth it. Not now, not ever. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:I Will Get Puppets, Snakes (and Clowns)
From Andre: ... darn, I get confused. who are the puppets? and who could be the puppeteers? That's a question best answered by the master himself, Heinlein. ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Puppet_Masters Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:I Will Get Puppets, Snakes (and Clowns)
Like many here, Rossi assumes (or knows) Krivit is actually controlled by some group or people / institution / organization, called his puppeteers. It must me them, then, that he wants to target eventually. This is just my take, but I seriously, SERIOUSLY, doubt Mr. Krivit is being controlled by anyone. This is because, and again IMHO, Mr. Krivit is paranoid about being controlled by anyone. I suspect the fear of being controlled (or managed) was actually one of the primary reasons why Krivit broke away from the Cold Fusin camp. I suspect Krivit felt certain individuals were trying to control the content of what he published out in NET, or at least that's how Krivit perceived it. I suspect it's more a matter of what Krivit's current allegiance is now with... or more precisely what organization Krivit has more personal faith in. IMO, Krivit has done nothing more than switch his allegiance, his faith to a different organization. One must be careful in assuming that switching allegiances (or one's faith) means that one is now being manipulated by a new power or organization. Not necessarily. Never the less, the real concern is over whether Krivit's is allowing his new faith to control his actions and motivations, not whether anyone within the new faith or organization is actively attempting to manipulate Krivit. IOW, it's more of an internal issue as compared to an external one. This obviously brings up the issue that as one's new faith becomes stronger there is a danger that the convert will no longer be able to remain objective concerning the perception of counter faiths - the evidence coming from other organizations. It becomes too threatening. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas
Hot off the press! Not sure is this is relevant to LENR, but think it could be. When ions get closer: New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas Quantum plasmas extend the area of application to nano-scales, where quantum-mechanical effects gain significance. This is the case when, in comparison to normal plasmas, the plasma density is very high and the temperature is low. Then the newly discovered potential occurs, which is caused by collective interaction processes of degenerate electrons with the quantum plasma. Such plasmas can be found, for example, in cores of stars with a dwindling nuclear energy supply (white dwarfs http://www.physorg.com/tags/white+dwarfs/ ), or they can be produced artificially in the laboratory by means of laser irradiation http://www.physorg.com/tags/laser+irradiation/ . The new negative potential causes an attractive force http://www.physorg.com/tags/attractive+force/ between the ions, which then form lattices. They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster. The findings of the Bochum scientists open up the possibility of ion-crystallization on the magnitude scale of an atom. They have thus established a new direction of research that is capable of linking various disciplines of physics. Applications include micro-chips for quantum computers, semiconductors, thin metal foils or even metallic nano-structures. More information: P. K. Shukla and B. Eliasson (2012): Novel Attractive Force Between Ions in Quantum Plasmas, Physical Review Letters 108, in press. Gee, you mean there are still new things to discover? Science still has things to learn? I'm being sarcastic here. This is why when anyone, especially a scientist, states that something isn't possible because it contradicts laws of physics, they are just flat-out wrong. ALL one is justified in ever saying in that situation is that it's very unlikely. if they don't speak in probabilities, then they are probably wed to their theories as much as any person is to their religion. it's ok to 'not know'. -Mark
RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas
Mark, Is this proof of a reduced coulomb barrier? Fran From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 1:08 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas Hot off the press! Not sure is this is relevant to LENR, but think it could be... When ions get closer: New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas Quantum plasmas extend the area of application to nano-scales, where quantum-mechanical effects gain significance. This is the case when, in comparison to normal plasmas, the plasma density is very high and the temperature is low. Then the newly discovered potential occurs, which is caused by collective interaction processes of degenerate electrons with the quantum plasma. Such plasmas can be found, for example, in cores of stars with a dwindling nuclear energy supply (white dwarfshttp://www.physorg.com/tags%0d%0a/white+dwarfs/), or they can be produced artificially in the laboratory by means of laser irradiationhttp://www.physorg.com/tags/laser+irradiation/. The new negative potential causes an attractive forcehttp://www.physorg.com/tags/attractive+force/ between the ions, which then form lattices. They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster. The findings of the Bochum scientists open up the possibility of ion-crystallization on the magnitude scale of an atom. They have thus established a new direction of research that is capable of linking various disciplines of physics. Applications include micro-chips for quantum computers, semiconductors, thin metal foils or even metallic nano-structures. More information: P. K. Shukla and B. Eliasson (2012): Novel Attractive Force Between Ions in Quantum Plasmas, Physical Review Letters 108, in press. p class=MsoNormalGee, you mean there are still new things to discover? Science still has things to learn? I'm being sarcastic here... This is why when anyone, especially a scientist, states that something isn't possible because it contradicts laws of physics, they are just flat-out wrong. ALL one is justified in ever saying in that situation is that it's very unlikely. if they don't speak in probabilities, then they are probably wed to their theories as much as any person is to their religion... it's ok to 'not know'. -Mark
Re: [Vo]:I Will Get Puppets, Snakes (and Clowns)
Now where did I hear that sort of talk before? http://groups.google.com/group/alt.solar.photovoltaic/browse_thread/thread/bce749f14fd8d379/e95a2a0dcdb24536 South Australia 16th April. Residents of the sleepy outback town of Woomera were awakened this morning by the sound of huge numbers of low flying pigs. Car windscreens were splattered with green manure and mounds of steaming dung was piled metres deep over a vast area. Residents have raised concerns that this event is connected with the building of the new Sunpube Solar farm in the area. Inventor Greg Watson denies this claiming that the farm emits no pollution whatsoever and will supply the energy needs of the entire planet from an area of less that 1 square kilometer. Said Mr Watson, my Sunpube technology derives its energy not only from the sun, but also from starlight and the magnetohydribblity overunity generation effect. There are no adverse effects on the environment and huge numbers of local jobs have been created. Local glaziers in particular have enjoyed a boom due to the frequent need for replacement of thousands of glass lenses. Local youths have also benefited from the entertainment opportunities available at the solar park. It has become a popular gathering place for them to enjoy wholesome outdoor pursuits including target practice and rock concerts. In fact it has become so popular that each Saturday night hundreds of utes converge on the farm each carrying a plentiful supply of rocks. Mr Watson has been gratified by the public response to his generous share offering which has allowed thousands of mum and dad investors to grab a slice of this lucrative enterprise. Whilst strongly denying any connection with the mysterious airborne porcine phenomenon, Mr Watson has nonetheless offered to supply residents with a free supply of greenwash to at least cover up the problems. Reporter Keef Wotsisname Signing off His response was interesting! Re: [Sunball] News Flash Woomera South Australia Dogshitontoast, We have initiated legal proceeding against one person who tried to sign a license agreement, obtained and disclosed confidential information, broke the signed NDA, went behind our backs to try to buy cells, is trying to clone the SunCube and have emailed me claiming they will take away the SCIG licenses (I have the emails you sent them). You will shortly receive the summonds from our legal council. Let me make myself very clear Dogshitontoast, you can not hide behind a cheap email alias. We are initiating a search which will identify who you are. GGE will not stand for this kind of insulting, defamatory and derogatory comments clearly meant to discredit myself, GGE and the SunCube. All of your posts in this forum have been referred to our legal council for their action. Additionally I find your handle is an insult to others in this forum. Greg Watson CEO Green and Gold Energy And so was Keefs follow up Re: News Flash Woomera South Australia My BALLS are bigger than your balls Greg And that's MR Dogchaten-Toust if you don't mind. Keef From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, 27 March 2012 4:57 PM Subject: [Vo]:I Will Get Puppets, Snakes (and Clowns) Be afraid: Andrea Rossi March 27th, 2012 at 8:13 AM Dear Antonella: We know perfectly who some puppeteers are: our intelligence system is working together with the Law Firm we have engaged for this issue. We are collecting and analyzing every single phrase the Puppets, Snakes (and Clowns) are publishing in paper press and in Internet. We prefer not to sue puppets and puppeteers ( and Clowns) so far because we will be stronger when our working plants will be public: at that point we will give to the Court all the necessary evidence to win both on criminal and in civilistic fields this battle. For now we are just preparing all the necessary publications, comments, evidence, documents, addresses, etc, etc. I start the battles when I am sure to win. So far they had the sensation that our Group can be libelled for free: it is not so. All the proceeds that we will earn from these trials will be donated to families we have already selected that need money to cure the cancer of their children. If you are interested to this issue or have information for us, please contact i...@leonardocorp1996.com Thank you for your kind attention, Warm Regards, A.R. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=608#comments end
Re: [Vo]:the desktop supernova
Von:Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com An: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 8:28 Dienstag, 27.März 2012 Betreff: [Vo]:the desktop supernova From the PieEconomics web site as follows: 2/22/12: A new NanoSprire press releasestates: Axil et al. This is one of several factoids which made me think, that there is no clear distinction between 'friendly' LENR and quite hostile Variants. Anyone comparing this to a fear of speed of trains in the mid 19th century is confused by inapplicable metaphors. 'Progress' is a sensible issue and has to be evaluated anew by each set of evidence. The whole LENR broght me to the preliminary conclusion, that there is sort of a dirty/irregular effect, working on the nanoscale with a LARGE effect, but also silently working in the mesoscale, as Pianatelly. This is quite disturbing. I currently do not know, how deeply it should distrurb (me), but it definitely does. In a general sense, our conceptions of how matter interacts, is questioned, and the battlefield, whatever that is, is projected down to the nanoscale. This is what my inner philosopher has to comment on that. Amen.
Re: [Vo]:HENR?
Fisson is most likely the answer, but not the way it's currently being used. Now as for the spelling of Loren, it's generally reserved for the male,,, Lauren for the Female. I like to think of myself as a Male, because of my biological make-up. Of course OTOH, if I got too close to a fission reactor wihtout proper protection, it most likely wouldn't make much difference? In fact all fission reactors are the answer to his (her?) question. ;) /HTML
Re: [Vo]:HENR?
Thanks, but I'm searching for something more on the line of exact. At any rate, I'll certainly check-out whatever I can to add to my understanding of all this energy and matter stuff. The pebble bed reactor design is the closest thing to what you are seeking. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_bed_reactor /HTML
[Vo]:RE: HENR?
Right, that's somewhat how I thought they operated, and so my follow-up question is what if the energy being produced simply wasn't distributed 'perse to various facilities or buildings, facilities, households, or what-have-you,,, but instead rather, for a more highly efficient purpose or function? IOW's, instead of simply expending energy, why not use it in a more highly efficient manner, so as to enable it to operate on a self-sustaining mode. Now, the purpose of having a self-sustaining Plant (no energy expended) would first be to eliminate any radioactive-waste by-product. The other main idea or benefit to having a powerfully efficient self-sustaining system would of course depend on the development of some new revolutionary breakthrough engineering skills, that can enable an altogether new compatable form of propulsion (yet unknown to us) to be directly integrated within the Plant, so to operate at peak performance, on-demand. That is exactly what a nuclear power plant does... (well, not yet...) Regards, Adrian Ashfield /HTML
Re: [Vo]:I Will Get Puppets, Snakes (and Clowns)
The man is insane. If it happens that he's rich (i.e., he's got that plant open and is selling to the public, which implies that the device is working and is reliable), he'll be a bit dangerous, but that's life. He will then be an attractive target for countersuits. He set up the appearance of being a fraud, for his own purposes. So if he sues people merely for stating the obvious, the stage will have been set for countersuits. And with deep pockets At 09:57 AM 3/27/2012, Terry Blanton wrote: Be afraid: Andrea Rossi http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=608cpage=2#comment-206515March 27th, 2012 at 8:13 AM Dear Antonella: We know perfectly who some puppeteers are: our intelligence system is working together with the Law Firm we have engaged for this issue. We are collecting and analyzing every single phrase the Puppets, Snakes (and Clowns) are publishing in paper press and in Internet. We prefer not to sue puppets and puppeteers ( and Clowns) so far because we will be stronger when our working plants will be public: at that point we will give to the Court all the necessary evidence to win both on criminal and in civilistic fields this battle. For now we are just preparing all the necessary publications, comments, evidence, documents, addresses, etc, etc. I start the battles when I am sure to win. So far they had the sensation that our Group can be libelled for free: it is not so. All the proceeds that we will earn from these trials will be donated to families we have already selected that need money to cure the cancer of their children. If you are interested to this issue or have information for us, please contact mailto:i...@leonardocorp1996.comi...@leonardocorp1996.com Thank you for your kind attention, Warm Regards, A.R. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=608#commentshttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=608#comments end
Re: [Vo]:I Will Get Puppets, Snakes (and Clowns)
From Abd: The man is insane. If it happens that he's rich (i.e., he's got that plant open and is selling to the public, which implies that the device is working and is reliable), he'll be a bit dangerous, but that's life. He will then be an attractive target for countersuits. He set up the appearance of being a fraud, for his own purposes. So if he sues people merely for stating the obvious, the stage will have been set for countersuits. And with deep pockets Rossi watching can be fun. But sometimes, watching the Rossi watchers is even funner. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:I Will Get Puppets, Snakes (and Clowns)
Geeze, what a crass menagerie! T
RE: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas
Hi Fran, Reduced, or completely masked? Don't know yet. It's still 'in press' so I doubt PRL will have an abstract yet. What's interesting is this: The new negative potential causes an attractive force between the ions [of the plasma], which then form lattices. They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster. So the (degenerate electron) quantum plasma forms *its own lattice*!? A nano/micro-scale lattice of plasma. now that ought to have some interesting properties being that the ions are much free-er (is that a word?) that in condensed matter. If this plasma lattice encompasses the first several layers of atoms in the condensed matter (Ni, Pd, etc), could the compression of the plasma lattice physically force protons to cross the Coulomb barrier? Could this be the nuclear active areas that LENR researchers have discussed? A quantum plasma lattice juxtaposed or co-physical with a condensed matter (metal) lattice. Obviously, it would take specific conditions to bring this about, and on a small volume, and probably short lived with the disruptive randomness of quantums of heat energy being shuffled about inside the metal lattice. This quantum lattice could certainly be the 'collective oscillations' that McKubre and others have hypothesized. same phenomenon, different name. Or does the plasma 'lattice' imply additional properties not considered by LENR researchers? The other interesting clue which could be relevant to LENR is this: Such plasmas .. can be produced artificially in the laboratory by means of laser irradiation. Remember that some LENR work (SPAWAR?) has looked at laser stimulation, and it seemed to have a positive effect. I think the problem with the lack of good theoretical basis for LENR comes from the fact that we really are discovering an entirely new field of physics, and there are numerous interactions that can occur. which just serves to confuse things. too many effects to coordinate into a qualitative model that can then be quantitatively explored and modeled. Truly exciting times! This will probably dwarf the importance of the transition in understanding when going from the Bohr model of the atom to quantum mechanics nearly 100 years ago. -Mark From: Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:19 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas Mark, Is this proof of a reduced coulomb barrier? Fran From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 1:08 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas Hot off the press! Not sure is this is relevant to LENR, but think it could be. When ions get closer: New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas Quantum plasmas extend the area of application to nano-scales, where quantum-mechanical effects gain significance. This is the case when, in comparison to normal plasmas, the plasma density is very high and the temperature is low. Then the newly discovered potential occurs, which is caused by collective interaction processes of degenerate electrons with the quantum plasma. Such plasmas can be found, for example, in cores of stars with a dwindling nuclear energy supply (white dwarfs http://www.physorg.com/tags%0d%0a/white+dwarfs/ ), or they can be produced artificially in the laboratory by means of laser irradiation http://www.physorg.com/tags/laser+irradiation/ . The new negative potential causes an attractive force http://www.physorg.com/tags/attractive+force/ between the ions, which then form lattices. They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster. The findings of the Bochum scientists open up the possibility of ion-crystallization on the magnitude scale of an atom. They have thus established a new direction of research that is capable of linking various disciplines of physics. Applications include micro-chips for quantum computers, semiconductors, thin metal foils or even metallic nano-structures. More information: P. K. Shukla and B. Eliasson (2012): Novel Attractive Force Between Ions in Quantum Plasmas, Physical Review Letters 108, in press. p class=MsoNormalGee, you mean there are still new things to discover? Science still has things to learn? I'm being sarcastic here. This is why when anyone, especially a scientist, states that something isn't possible because it contradicts laws of physics, they are just flat-out wrong. ALL one is justified in ever saying in that situation is that it's very unlikely. if they don't speak in probabilities, then they are probably wed to their theories as much as any person is to their religion. it's ok to 'not know'. -Mark
Re: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas
Novel Attractive Force Between Ions in Quantum Plasmas http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.5556.pdf This is the paper behind the article. This paper explains the theoretical basis of a new form of matter called ionic crystals. Ionic crystals are the agent that causes cold fusion. The article says: *Quantum plasmas extend the area of application to nano-scales, where quantum-mechanical effects gain significance. This is the case when, in comparison to normal plasmas, the plasma density is very high and the temperature is low.* Axil says: This is what we have in the Rossi type reactor. The hydrogen envelope is very high density plasma with a very low temperature. The population of degenerate electrons in this envelope is high due to the high pressure of the hydrogen gas. These degenerate electrons force Rydberg atoms together into a condensate and keep this condensate together when the crystal ionizes. These degenerate electrons produce a force field at long range that pushes protons together to form cooper pairs. This attractive electron field also forces naked positively charges nuclei together that have had their coulomb barrier stripped as described in my post titled “the magnetic monopole.” When these naked nuclei come into contact, the nuclear force takes over to form new elements. Degenerate electrons are attributable to the Pauli Exclusion Principle. The pressure maintained by a body of degenerate matter is called the degeneracy pressure, and arises because the Pauli principle prevents the constituent particles from occupying identical quantum states. Any attempt to force them close enough together that they are not clearly separated by position must place them in different energy levels. Therefore, reducing the volume requires forcing many of the particles into higher-energy quantum states. This requires additional compression force, and is made manifest as a resisting pressure. Therefore, since according to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle ΔpΔx ≥ ħ/2 where Δp is the uncertainty in the particle's momentum and Δx is the uncertainty in position, then we must say that their momentum is extremely uncertain since the particles are located in a very confined space. Therefore, even though the plasma is cold, the electron must be moving very fast on average. This leads to the conclusion that if you want to compress an object into a very small space, you must use tremendous force to control its particles' momentum. This is what the micro-cavities in the micro powder do; compress electrons into the degenerate state. The article says: *The new negative potential causes an attractive force between the ions, which then form lattices.* Axil says: This is why Rydberg ions are formed so readily in a pressurized hydrogen envelope. The article says: *They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster.* Axil says: This is why electrical resistances drops as the temperature increases in cold fusion material. * * On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:34 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: Hi Fran, Reduced, or completely masked? Don’t know yet… It’s still ‘in press’ so I doubt PRL will have an abstract yet… ** ** What’s interesting is this: “The new negative potential causes an attractive force between the ions [of the plasma], which then form lattices. They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster.” ** ** So the (degenerate electron) quantum plasma forms **its own lattice**!? A nano/micro-scale lattice of plasma… now that ought to have some interesting properties being that the ions are much free-er (is that a word?) that in condensed matter. If this plasma lattice encompasses the first several layers of atoms in the condensed matter (Ni, Pd, etc), could the compression of the plasma lattice physically force protons to cross the Coulomb barrier? ** ** Could this be the nuclear active areas that LENR researchers have discussed? A quantum plasma lattice juxtaposed or co-physical with a condensed matter (metal) lattice… Obviously, it would take specific conditions to bring this about, and on a small volume, and probably short lived with the disruptive randomness of quantums of heat energy being shuffled about inside the metal lattice. This quantum lattice could certainly be the ‘collective oscillations’ that McKubre and others have hypothesized… same phenomenon, different name. Or does the plasma ‘lattice’ imply additional properties not considered by LENR researchers? The other interesting clue which could be relevant to LENR is this: “Such plasmas …. can be produced artificially in the laboratory by means of laser irradiation.” ** ** Remember that some LENR work (SPAWAR?) has looked at laser stimulation, and it seemed to have a positive effect… ** ** I think the problem with
Re: [Vo]:I Will Get Puppets, Snakes (and Clowns)
Von:Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 20:56 Dienstag, 27.März 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:I Will Get Puppets, Snakes (and Clowns) The man is insane. I do not understand. Is Australia the new epicenter of insanity and confusion? (...longish speculation on that deleted.) Is it the extreme weather? Do we have this -burning ones brain out by a unforgiving sun- into the equation of explanations? Just wondering. This from someone from a more moderate climate. Not that I feel superior. I just happen to live in more moderate conditions. But what has this to do with 'truth', if this depends on boundary conditions? Just to be clear: Beliefs, even scientific ones, depend on a climate, which, in the moderate case, allows for either-or, in other cases 'science' bends more to one of the extremes. Desert-science ---Mud-science --- wood-science --- ice science. The nature of ones inquiry depends on the environment, one has been born in, and is embodied in. You understand. Now Australians are not in the center of epistemology. They are more hunters and opportunity catchers. Epistemological infants, so to say. This is one of my philosophical musings, and I do not expect anyone to to understand what this is all about. I do not either. Ahem. Guenter
Re: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas
Please allow me to make two more points. The paper says: *Summing up, we have discovered a new attractive force between two ions that are shielded by degenerate electrons in an unmagnetized quantum plasma.* Axil says: It could be that when a magnetic field is applied to the plasma, this attractive forse is disrupted and will negate both the proton cooper pairs and the Rydberg ions. When DGT applies a magnetic field the degenerate electrons are disrupted causing a failure of the Rossi reaction. Also, when the pressures of the hydrogen envelop is increased, this enhances the production of degenerate electrons which increases the associated power of the Rossi reaction. On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Novel Attractive Force Between Ions in Quantum Plasmas http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.5556.pdf This is the paper behind the article. This paper explains the theoretical basis of a new form of matter called ionic crystals. Ionic crystals are the agent that causes cold fusion. The article says: *Quantum plasmas extend the area of application to nano-scales, where quantum-mechanical effects gain significance. This is the case when, in comparison to normal plasmas, the plasma density is very high and the temperature is low.* Axil says: This is what we have in the Rossi type reactor. The hydrogen envelope is very high density plasma with a very low temperature. The population of degenerate electrons in this envelope is high due to the high pressure of the hydrogen gas. These degenerate electrons force Rydberg atoms together into a condensate and keep this condensate together when the crystal ionizes. These degenerate electrons produce a force field at long range that pushes protons together to form cooper pairs. This attractive electron field also forces naked positively charges nuclei together that have had their coulomb barrier stripped as described in my post titled “the magnetic monopole.” When these naked nuclei come into contact, the nuclear force takes over to form new elements. Degenerate electrons are attributable to the Pauli Exclusion Principle. The pressure maintained by a body of degenerate matter is called the degeneracy pressure, and arises because the Pauli principle prevents the constituent particles from occupying identical quantum states. Any attempt to force them close enough together that they are not clearly separated by position must place them in different energy levels. Therefore, reducing the volume requires forcing many of the particles into higher-energy quantum states. This requires additional compression force, and is made manifest as a resisting pressure. Therefore, since according to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle ΔpΔx ≥ ħ/2 where Δp is the uncertainty in the particle's momentum and Δx is the uncertainty in position, then we must say that their momentum is extremely uncertain since the particles are located in a very confined space. Therefore, even though the plasma is cold, the electron must be moving very fast on average. This leads to the conclusion that if you want to compress an object into a very small space, you must use tremendous force to control its particles' momentum. This is what the micro-cavities in the micro powder do; compress electrons into the degenerate state. The article says: *The new negative potential causes an attractive force between the ions, which then form lattices.* Axil says: This is why Rydberg ions are formed so readily in a pressurized hydrogen envelope. The article says: *They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster.* Axil says: This is why electrical resistances drops as the temperature increases in cold fusion material. * * On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:34 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: Hi Fran, Reduced, or completely masked? Don’t know yet… It’s still ‘in press’ so I doubt PRL will have an abstract yet… ** ** What’s interesting is this: “The new negative potential causes an attractive force between the ions [of the plasma], which then form lattices. They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster.” ** ** So the (degenerate electron) quantum plasma forms **its own lattice**!? A nano/micro-scale lattice of plasma… now that ought to have some interesting properties being that the ions are much free-er (is that a word?) that in condensed matter. If this plasma lattice encompasses the first several layers of atoms in the condensed matter (Ni, Pd, etc), could the compression of the plasma lattice physically force protons to cross the Coulomb barrier? ** ** Could this be the nuclear active areas that LENR researchers have discussed? A quantum plasma lattice juxtaposed or co-physical with a condensed matter (metal) lattice…
Re: [Vo]:nanoparticles in LENR
In nano-particles/wires/structures, ambient electric and magnetic fields can be superfocused and amplified by a factor of ~50K. This seems quite counter-intuitive and pretty spectacular. I appreciate the interesting responses to my questions Xavier. From the information you supplied I draw a conclusion that there is nothing spectacular occurring with the nano particles. Their behavior appears to more or less mimic that of spheres of conductive material that have merely been shrunken in size so that they interact with visible and near visible wavelength radiation. I do find the delayed decay(100 u sec?) into photons or heat interesting at visible wavelengths. And please post further information about the 80 nm transition if you happen to recall later what transpired. Dave [...]
RE: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas
Axil: You’re a bit loose with your wording… an example is your following statement: “Ionic crystals are the agent that causes cold fusion.” Of course this is just your speculation, but you always seem to phrase things as if you have irrefutable evidence, and in most cases, this is just not the case. Now, being overly confident in your statements is not a crime, but it is a bit misleading. I would only suggest that you try to be a little more accurate with how you phrase things… the scientists and engineers that I admire always choose their wording carefully and accurately. Keep up the creative and technical postings… -Mark From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 12:19 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas Novel Attractive Force Between Ions in Quantum Plasmas http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.5556.pdf This is the paper behind the article. This paper explains the theoretical basis of a new form of matter called ionic crystals. Ionic crystals are the agent that causes cold fusion. The article says: Quantum plasmas extend the area of application to nano-scales, where quantum-mechanical effects gain significance. This is the case when, in comparison to normal plasmas, the plasma density is very high and the temperature is low. Axil says: This is what we have in the Rossi type reactor. The hydrogen envelope is very high density plasma with a very low temperature. The population of degenerate electrons in this envelope is high due to the high pressure of the hydrogen gas. These degenerate electrons force Rydberg atoms together into a condensate and keep this condensate together when the crystal ionizes. These degenerate electrons produce a force field at long range that pushes protons together to form cooper pairs. This attractive electron field also forces naked positively charges nuclei together that have had their coulomb barrier stripped as described in my post titled “the magnetic monopole.” When these naked nuclei come into contact, the nuclear force takes over to form new elements. Degenerate electrons are attributable to the Pauli Exclusion Principle. The pressure maintained by a body of degenerate matter is called the degeneracy pressure, and arises because the Pauli principle prevents the constituent particles from occupying identical quantum states. Any attempt to force them close enough together that they are not clearly separated by position must place them in different energy levels. Therefore, reducing the volume requires forcing many of the particles into higher-energy quantum states. This requires additional compression force, and is made manifest as a resisting pressure. Therefore, since according to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle ΔpΔx ≥ ħ/2 where Δp is the uncertainty in the particle's momentum and Δx is the uncertainty in position, then we must say that their momentum is extremely uncertain since the particles are located in a very confined space. Therefore, even though the plasma is cold, the electron must be moving very fast on average. This leads to the conclusion that if you want to compress an object into a very small space, you must use tremendous force to control its particles' momentum. This is what the micro-cavities in the micro powder do; compress electrons into the degenerate state. The article says: The new negative potential causes an attractive force between the ions, which then form lattices. Axil says: This is why Rydberg ions are formed so readily in a pressurized hydrogen envelope. The article says: They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster. Axil says: This is why electrical resistances drops as the temperature increases in cold fusion material. On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:34 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hi Fran, Reduced, or completely masked? Don’t know yet… It’s still ‘in press’ so I doubt PRL will have an abstract yet… What’s interesting is this: “The new negative potential causes an attractive force between the ions [of the plasma], which then form lattices. They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster.” So the (degenerate electron) quantum plasma forms *its own lattice*!? A nano/micro-scale lattice of plasma… now that ought to have some interesting properties being that the ions are much free-er (is that a word?) that in condensed matter. If this plasma lattice encompasses the first several layers of atoms in the condensed matter (Ni, Pd, etc), could the compression of the plasma lattice physically force protons to cross the Coulomb barrier? Could this be the nuclear active areas that LENR researchers have discussed? A quantum plasma lattice juxtaposed or co-physical with a
Re: [Vo]:The Magnetic Monopole
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:54:13 -0400: Hi, The weak force can only instigate changes from proton to neutron or neutron to proton. A wholesale rearrangement of nucleons will always involve the strong force. Nuclear Binding energy must be conserved. The regrouping of nuclei does not involve the strong force. It is governed by the weak force.** *See Phenomenological Model on page 8 of* *http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LochakGlowenergyn.pdf* Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas
We have several types of effects: a) the Piantelli type of reaction, where COP is of no importance, which measures reactions along a Pd -alloy-rod. b) gaseous c) fluid d) LeClair type cavitation induced e) other Now my problem is this: Can this be summoned on ONE theory? I do'nt know. Now, if it is, it is deeply troubling, because it means, that the coulomb barrier is not a barrier, but can be overcome by -not one -but several 'effects'. Which means, in all naivite, that the Coulomb barrier has not only ONE hole, but several. This currently is the only explanation for the transmutations. If transmutations are a fact, it simply means that the coulomb barrier is not what it is supposed to be. Sorry. This is a simple -ahem- 'explanation' as can be. BTW, this does not make me happy, but actually highly alarmed, because these reaction types currently are out of our control. My two cents.
Re: [Vo]:the desktop supernova
Krivit is such a robot. He wrote: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/01/31/new-energy-times-issue-36-letters/ [Ed: I apologize for inappropriately attributing your word choice to your educational background. I never believed you accomplished fusion. You are misstating facts. Based on what you described and have shown to me, I believe you have accomplished a clear demonstration of low-energy nuclear reactions. Your work appears worthy of much credit and support, though your claim of fusion at room temperature does not. I applaud and support your courage and persistence, and I encourage your continuing success.] end of quotation from Steve Krivit- Le Clair is explicitly claiming nuclear fusion, and claiming clear evidence for that. It's not LENR, period, if the reports are true. And if they are not true, it's serious delusion or worse. This is not cold fusion or LENR. Bubble fusion, which this would be, in general, if it happens, is hot fusion, not LENR, and if Krivit doesn't know that, he's been asleep for years, dreaming. Le Clair is claiming that LENR phenomena are really cavitation phenomena inducing hot fusion. They aren't. If they were, the high neutron generation rates that Le Clair is claiming would have been evident, it's called the dead graduate student effect. Le Clair came out more than a year ago with these reports. Nobody has verified any of it. Some samples have apparently been analyzed that Le Clair provided. Nothing unusual. As I wrote about a year ago, if this were real, the military would be all over it. Apparently they aren't. There are people informed who would inform the military.
Re: [Vo]:The Magnetic Monopole
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:54:13 -0400: Hi, [snip] Nuclear Binding energy must be conserved. The regrouping of nuclei does not involve the strong force. It is governed by the weak force.** *See Phenomenological Model on page 8 of* *http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LochakGlowenergyn.pdf* I think this paper is utter nonsense. There are no magnetic monopoles, the and the track on the photo could easily be caused by a malfunction of the photo processing equipment, or something simply dragged rapidly across the photo, skipping as it went (probably accidentally). (Sometimes an object dragged across a surface rapidly will bounce up and down rapidly at the same time.) Or dragging the negative across a piece of grit may do it. On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 5:34 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:02:49 -0400: Hi, [snip] With their nuclei destroyed by the induced negative charge, a swarm of homeless protons and neutrons look to regroup anew to form new elements both strange and wondrous. ...what has become of the nuclear force which binds nuclei together? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas
At 01:47 PM 3/27/2012, Guenter Wildgruber wrote: If transmutations are a fact, it simply means that the coulomb barrier is not what it is supposed to be. Or it's a weak Widom-Larsen effect: Coulomb does not apply. (Still have to explain the heavy electron mass, though.)
Re: [Vo]:the desktop supernova
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: *From the PieEconomics web site as follows:* *Hundreds of wave trains and vortices appeared everywhere and are permanently burned into walls, objects and trees surrounding the lab. [See Krivit's second link, above.] Well, according to Google maps (25 Jesse Daniel DR, Buxton, ME) the Buxton Vehicle Registration is located about five hundred feet from the lab, so I hope none of the people getting their cars registered got irradiated when the desktop supernova occurred.* This is BS. Here is the original blog post: http://pieeconomics.blogspot.com/p/cold-fusion-comedy.html Here is the actual press release: http://www.1888pressrelease.com/nanospire-inc-successfully-harnesses-cavitation-zero-point-pr-372884.html Looks like Mr. Zweig has taken some liberties with the truth. I am not sure who said what here. The quote about walls, objects and trees does appear to be an exaggeration. Fer sure. But that press release has some alarming stuff in it: The radiation emitted by the reactor left nuclear tracks, burned the hole pattern of the core into the clear PVC core enclosure, activated high neutron absorption cross-section 39Cl (56 minute half-life) in the chlorine of the PVC core enclosure and transmuted the water in the reactor into nearly all the other elements. The experiment also accidentally resulted in acute radiation sickness beginning the day after the August 25, 2009 experiments for both investigators Mark LeClair and Sergio Lebid and lasted for more than a year. Acute radiation sickness?!? Are they sure about that? Who diagnosed it? I suppose if someone showed up at the hospital with symptoms of acute radiation exposure, there would be an investigation and something in the mainstream news. Google finds news of this only in blogs. If I were seriously ill for a year I would not continue with the project. Not in the same lab. I would hope to move the thing to a national lab or somewhere similar, with proper safety. Note that this report says the transmutations were confirmed by a number of people including Ed Storms. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:The Magnetic Monopole
*The point I was attempting to make was that the authors of the paper tried to come up with an explanation of the experimental results and the best they could do was “The Magnetic Monopole” There is no such thing as a magnetic monopole. * * * *My post attempted to show that the experimental results claimed in the paper could be explained based on the action of ionic crystals.* * * *The formation of these crystals is theatrically possible as explained in the post titled “New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas”* * * *I say in that thread as follows:* * * *This attractive electron field also forces naked positively charges nuclei together that have had their coulomb barrier stripped as described in my post titled “the magnetic monopole.”* * * * * * * *When these naked nuclei come into contact, the nuclear force takes over to form new elements. * * * *So sorry ... please excuse me, I had a change of heart overnight about how positively charged nuclei could be drawn close together so the strong force could come into play thereby reforming new elements.* * * * * On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:52 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:54:13 -0400: Hi, [snip] Nuclear Binding energy must be conserved. The regrouping of nuclei does not involve the strong force. It is governed by the weak force.** *See Phenomenological Model on page 8 of* *http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LochakGlowenergyn.pdf* I think this paper is utter nonsense. There are no magnetic monopoles, the and the track on the photo could easily be caused by a malfunction of the photo processing equipment, or something simply dragged rapidly across the photo, skipping as it went (probably accidentally). (Sometimes an object dragged across a surface rapidly will bounce up and down rapidly at the same time.) Or dragging the negative across a piece of grit may do it. On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 5:34 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 26 Mar 2012 17:02:49 -0400: Hi, [snip] With their nuclei destroyed by the induced negative charge, a swarm of homeless protons and neutrons look to regroup anew to form new elements both strange and wondrous. ...what has become of the nuclear force which binds nuclei together? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:RE: HENR?
In reply to lorenhe...@aol.com's message of Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:38:41 -0400 (EDT): Hi, Nuclear reactors are already way past self sustaining. In fact they produce huge amounts of excess power that is sold and consumed as electrical power. However I suspect you are trying to lead this discussion into UFOs. ;) The radioactivity is not a consequence of inefficiency. It's a natural consequence of the fissioning of heavy nuclei with neutrons. This is because heavy nuclei are neutron rich relative to light nuclei, so when a heavy nucleus is fissioned, creating two or more light nuclei, there are always a few neutrons left over. Some of these escape as free neutrons (and continue the chain reaction), others remain attached to the daughter nuclei (i.e. the fission fragments), which are then radioactive (because they basically have too many neutrons). Interesting side note: If you could initiate the fission reaction with protons iso with a neutron, then you could conceivably end up with stable fission fragments (i.e. not radioactive). Right, that's somewhat how I thought they operated, and so my follow-up question is what if the energy being produced simply wasn't distributed 'perse to various facilities or buildings, facilities, households, or what-have-you,,, but instead rather, for a more highly efficient purpose or function? IOW's, instead of simply expending energy, why not use it in a more highly efficient manner, so as to enable it to operate on a self-sustaining mode. Now, the purpose of having a self-sustaining Plant (no energy expended) would first be to eliminate any radioactive-waste by-product. The other main idea or benefit to having a powerfully efficient self-sustaining system would of course depend on the development of some new revolutionary breakthrough engineering skills, that can enable an altogether new compatable form of propulsion (yet unknown to us) to be directly integrated within the Plant, so to operate at peak performance, on-demand. That is exactly what a nuclear power plant does... (well, not yet...) Regards, Adrian Ashfield /HTML Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas
Might this be related to the piezonuclear activity (production of neutrons) observed during the laboratory fracturing of granite under strain? these locally extreme conditions could catalyse in the interpenetration band the formation of a plasma from the gases which are present in the solid materials (even at room conditions). from Piezonuclear neutrons from fracturing of inert solids Physics Letters A 373 (2009) 4158–4163 F. Cardone , A. Carpinteric, G. Lacidognac Harry On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Novel Attractive Force Between Ions in Quantum Plasmas http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.5556.pdf This is the paper behind the article. This paper explains the theoretical basis of a new form of matter called ionic crystals. Ionic crystals are the agent that causes cold fusion. The article says: Quantum plasmas extend the area of application to nano-scales, where quantum-mechanical effects gain significance. This is the case when, in comparison to normal plasmas, the plasma density is very high and the temperature is low. Axil says: This is what we have in the Rossi type reactor. The hydrogen envelope is very high density plasma with a very low temperature. The population of degenerate electrons in this envelope is high due to the high pressure of the hydrogen gas. These degenerate electrons force Rydberg atoms together into a condensate and keep this condensate together when the crystal ionizes. These degenerate electrons produce a force field at long range that pushes protons together to form cooper pairs. This attractive electron field also forces naked positively charges nuclei together that have had their coulomb barrier stripped as described in my post titled “the magnetic monopole.” When these naked nuclei come into contact, the nuclear force takes over to form new elements. Degenerate electrons are attributable to the Pauli Exclusion Principle. The pressure maintained by a body of degenerate matter is called the degeneracy pressure, and arises because the Pauli principle prevents the constituent particles from occupying identical quantum states. Any attempt to force them close enough together that they are not clearly separated by position must place them in different energy levels. Therefore, reducing the volume requires forcing many of the particles into higher-energy quantum states. This requires additional compression force, and is made manifest as a resisting pressure. Therefore, since according to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle ΔpΔx ≥ ħ/2 where Δp is the uncertainty in the particle's momentum and Δx is the uncertainty in position, then we must say that their momentum is extremely uncertain since the particles are located in a very confined space. Therefore, even though the plasma is cold, the electron must be moving very fast on average. This leads to the conclusion that if you want to compress an object into a very small space, you must use tremendous force to control its particles' momentum. This is what the micro-cavities in the micro powder do; compress electrons into the degenerate state. The article says: The new negative potential causes an attractive force between the ions, which then form lattices. Axil says: This is why Rydberg ions are formed so readily in a pressurized hydrogen envelope. The article says: They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster. Axil says: This is why electrical resistances drops as the temperature increases in cold fusion material. On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:34 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hi Fran, Reduced, or completely masked? Don’t know yet… It’s still ‘in press’ so I doubt PRL will have an abstract yet… What’s interesting is this: “The new negative potential causes an attractive force between the ions [of the plasma], which then form lattices. They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster.” So the (degenerate electron) quantum plasma forms *its own lattice*!? A nano/micro-scale lattice of plasma… now that ought to have some interesting properties being that the ions are much free-er (is that a word?) that in condensed matter. If this plasma lattice encompasses the first several layers of atoms in the condensed matter (Ni, Pd, etc), could the compression of the plasma lattice physically force protons to cross the Coulomb barrier? Could this be the nuclear active areas that LENR researchers have discussed? A quantum plasma lattice juxtaposed or co-physical with a condensed matter (metal) lattice… Obviously, it would take specific conditions to bring this about, and on a small volume, and probably short lived with the disruptive randomness of quantums of heat energy being shuffled about inside the metal lattice. This quantum lattice could certainly
Re: [Vo]:I Will Get Puppets, Snakes (and Clowns)
Rossi wrote: We prefer not to sue puppets and puppeteers ( and Clowns) so far because we will be stronger when our working plants will be public: at that point we will give to the Court all the necessary evidence to win both on criminal and in civilistic fields this battle. Only the government can collect evidence or win a criminal case. Rossi should know that. He has . . . experience dealing with the criminal justice system. All the proceeds that we will earn from these trials will be donated to families we have already selected that need money to cure the cancer of their children. That's heartwarming. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:the desktop supernova
*I seem to remember that early on Rossi claimed a nuclear based origin to his reaction and that he put himself in real danger when he tried to look for the cause without lead shielding.* * * *This may have been before the time he perfected his nickel micro-powder.* * * *Rossi has devoted himself for a number of years now in an attempt to tame his reactor; to make it safe for home use. * * * *It is the nickel micro-powder that thermalizes the gamma rays in the Rossi and DGT reactors.* * * *I bet that when DFT tried to burn glass, they received a burst of gamma rays. * * * *The Rossi reaction is a complex one and if an important component of that process is not in place, bad things will happen.* * * * * On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: *From the PieEconomics web site as follows:* *Hundreds of wave trains and vortices appeared everywhere and are permanently burned into walls, objects and trees surrounding the lab. [See Krivit's second link, above.] Well, according to Google maps (25 Jesse Daniel DR, Buxton, ME) the Buxton Vehicle Registration is located about five hundred feet from the lab, so I hope none of the people getting their cars registered got irradiated when the desktop supernova occurred.* This is BS. Here is the original blog post: http://pieeconomics.blogspot.com/p/cold-fusion-comedy.html Here is the actual press release: http://www.1888pressrelease.com/nanospire-inc-successfully-harnesses-cavitation-zero-point-pr-372884.html Looks like Mr. Zweig has taken some liberties with the truth. I am not sure who said what here. The quote about walls, objects and trees does appear to be an exaggeration. Fer sure. But that press release has some alarming stuff in it: The radiation emitted by the reactor left nuclear tracks, burned the hole pattern of the core into the clear PVC core enclosure, activated high neutron absorption cross-section 39Cl (56 minute half-life) in the chlorine of the PVC core enclosure and transmuted the water in the reactor into nearly all the other elements. The experiment also accidentally resulted in acute radiation sickness beginning the day after the August 25, 2009 experiments for both investigators Mark LeClair and Sergio Lebid and lasted for more than a year. Acute radiation sickness?!? Are they sure about that? Who diagnosed it? I suppose if someone showed up at the hospital with symptoms of acute radiation exposure, there would be an investigation and something in the mainstream news. Google finds news of this only in blogs. If I were seriously ill for a year I would not continue with the project. Not in the same lab. I would hope to move the thing to a national lab or somewhere similar, with proper safety. Note that this report says the transmutations were confirmed by a number of people including Ed Storms. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:New physical attraction between ions in quantum plasmas
Technically I should have written under compression instead of under strain. harry On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Might this be related to the piezonuclear activity (production of neutrons) observed during the laboratory fracturing of granite under strain? these locally extreme conditions could catalyse in the interpenetration band the formation of a plasma from the gases which are present in the solid materials (even at room conditions). from Piezonuclear neutrons from fracturing of inert solids Physics Letters A 373 (2009) 4158–4163 F. Cardone , A. Carpinteric, G. Lacidognac Harry On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Novel Attractive Force Between Ions in Quantum Plasmas http://arxiv.org/pdf/1112.5556.pdf This is the paper behind the article. This paper explains the theoretical basis of a new form of matter called ionic crystals. Ionic crystals are the agent that causes cold fusion. The article says: Quantum plasmas extend the area of application to nano-scales, where quantum-mechanical effects gain significance. This is the case when, in comparison to normal plasmas, the plasma density is very high and the temperature is low. Axil says: This is what we have in the Rossi type reactor. The hydrogen envelope is very high density plasma with a very low temperature. The population of degenerate electrons in this envelope is high due to the high pressure of the hydrogen gas. These degenerate electrons force Rydberg atoms together into a condensate and keep this condensate together when the crystal ionizes. These degenerate electrons produce a force field at long range that pushes protons together to form cooper pairs. This attractive electron field also forces naked positively charges nuclei together that have had their coulomb barrier stripped as described in my post titled “the magnetic monopole.” When these naked nuclei come into contact, the nuclear force takes over to form new elements. Degenerate electrons are attributable to the Pauli Exclusion Principle. The pressure maintained by a body of degenerate matter is called the degeneracy pressure, and arises because the Pauli principle prevents the constituent particles from occupying identical quantum states. Any attempt to force them close enough together that they are not clearly separated by position must place them in different energy levels. Therefore, reducing the volume requires forcing many of the particles into higher-energy quantum states. This requires additional compression force, and is made manifest as a resisting pressure. Therefore, since according to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle ΔpΔx ≥ ħ/2 where Δp is the uncertainty in the particle's momentum and Δx is the uncertainty in position, then we must say that their momentum is extremely uncertain since the particles are located in a very confined space. Therefore, even though the plasma is cold, the electron must be moving very fast on average. This leads to the conclusion that if you want to compress an object into a very small space, you must use tremendous force to control its particles' momentum. This is what the micro-cavities in the micro powder do; compress electrons into the degenerate state. The article says: The new negative potential causes an attractive force between the ions, which then form lattices. Axil says: This is why Rydberg ions are formed so readily in a pressurized hydrogen envelope. The article says: They are compressed and the distances between them shortened, so that current can flow through them much faster. Axil says: This is why electrical resistances drops as the temperature increases in cold fusion material.
Re: [Vo]:the desktop supernova
Von: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 23:52 Dienstag, 27.März 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:the desktop supernova The Rossi reaction is a complex one and if an important component of that process is not in place, bad things will happen. Agree. In addition, this applies to ALL LENR-reactions, absent a theory. Remember the eventuality of tiny black holes during the last CERN Higgs-Boson search. The skeptics have been silenced by -what?-: the sum of current theory. Remember that! Ultimately a sensible combination of theory and practice decides, what is acceptable. I currently do not see this in the LENR-field. Guenter.
Re: [Vo]:the desktop supernova
*As I wrote about a year ago, if this were real, the military would be all over it. Apparently they aren't. There are people informed who would inform the military.* *http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/36/3616ideologies.shtml* Cold Fusion Versus LENR: Competing Ideologies By Steven B. Krivit** *The right government manager in the right spot could impose his agenda on the selection of the Rossi reactor over the LeClair reactor and hide the LeClair reactor under the rug.* * * *This retired government manager may have a current commercial relationship with Rossi. After all, a trillion dollars is good motivation. * * * *The Navy may be satisfying their interest in LENR through Rossi.* * * *I only know what is rumored on the NET. You are close to the tap root of LENR truth; what is your opinion?* * * * * On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: Krivit is such a robot. He wrote: http://blog.newenergytimes.**com/2011/01/31/new-energy-** times-issue-36-letters/http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/01/31/new-energy-times-issue-36-letters/ [Ed: I apologize for inappropriately attributing your word choice to your educational background. I never believed you accomplished fusion. You are misstating facts. Based on what you described and have shown to me, I believe you have accomplished a clear demonstration of low-energy nuclear reactions. Your work appears worthy of much credit and support, though your claim of fusion at room temperature does not. I applaud and support your courage and persistence, and I encourage your continuing success.] end of quotation from Steve Krivit- Le Clair is explicitly claiming nuclear fusion, and claiming clear evidence for that. It's not LENR, period, if the reports are true. And if they are not true, it's serious delusion or worse. This is not cold fusion or LENR. Bubble fusion, which this would be, in general, if it happens, is hot fusion, not LENR, and if Krivit doesn't know that, he's been asleep for years, dreaming. Le Clair is claiming that LENR phenomena are really cavitation phenomena inducing hot fusion. They aren't. If they were, the high neutron generation rates that Le Clair is claiming would have been evident, it's called the dead graduate student effect. Le Clair came out more than a year ago with these reports. Nobody has verified any of it. Some samples have apparently been analyzed that Le Clair provided. Nothing unusual. As I wrote about a year ago, if this were real, the military would be all over it. Apparently they aren't. There are people informed who would inform the military.
Re: [Vo]:the desktop supernova
Ed Storms wrote to me: I did not confirm transmutation. In fact, I told LeClair just the opposite. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:the desktop supernova
The experiment gave off powerful crested cnoid de Broglie Matter wave soliton wave packages that were doubly periodic and followed the Jacobi Elliptic functions exactly, mostly in the form of large doubly-periodic vortices. Hundreds of wave trains and vortices appeared everywhere and are permanently burned into walls, objects and trees surrounding the lab. I can assure you, I would not want to be near a cnoid de Broglie Matter wave soliton wave package. This is giving me fond memories of the language used in the first Star Trek series. Eric
Re: [Vo]:the desktop supernova
Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 1:22 Mittwoch, 28.März 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:the desktop supernova Ed Storms wrote to me: I did not confirm transmutation. In fact, I told LeClair just the opposite. - Jed So maybe the LENR-crowd should get its act together whether there are transmutations or not. (ie not only one-step production of He or Cu, but a spectrum of elements) Then probably it would split into two groups, (plus Randall Mills, who has a theory of his own). As an observer I can only say: There is evidence for both, or a contiunuum. Which worries me. Even good-mannered LENR seems to have some bursts of bad manner. How human. Guenter
